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 Posted: Fri May 23, 2014 10:04 am Post subject: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18 May 2 |
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Both Doug and Rico are correct. I left the list for the very same reason... a big mouth who thought he knew (knows) everything about... well everything. The irony is that that person felt he was more of a veteran than me and started berating me about a point having nothing to do with airplanes. In situations like this, the two best things to do is 1. Don’t respond and just let it go. or 2. Don’t respond and if you must, at least take it off-list. Exchange all the ugly emails you want between each other, but keep in mind you may meet at an RPA or airshow gathering someday.
I’m glad I returned to the list as this is a great forum for sharing good information about our unique airplanes. I, for one, say thanks to all those who post tidbits of info about new gadgets or new discoveries that may be relevant to many or maybe even just one or two. Keep 'em coming.
Saber
From: "Rico Jaeger" <rocknpilot(at)hotmail.com>
To: "Yak-List" <yak-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 12:42:34 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18 May 201
Hear, Hear, Doug. There is no better teacher than one whom has the experience first hand - and no better student than one truly seeking an answer. As an excited owner / pilot of an (almost-fully functional) Yak-52, I have been conditioned to think twice regarding "putting it out there" when I have questions that I know could be easily answered by those whom have "been there." Now, my scruffy-but-still-beautiful Russian bird has zero tan lines because my inquiries regarding my grounding issues are either ignored (not in w/ the "good ol' boys") or the info I include is examined 10% and the "Did you turn it ON?" reply is received. This forum could be so much more than the (sad to say) bragging rights and attitude-laden, opinionated one-ups typically dispatched. We all had to learn somewhere. Instead of rolling your eyes and ruining someone's day - why not share the wealth - even on the obvious questions? The feeling of being helpful may actually trump the feeling of superior exclusion. You catch a lot more flies w/ honey...and this IS FLY IN SEASON! (sorry)
Submitted respectfully...
Rico Jaeger
915 S. 11th Ave.
Wausau, WI. 54401
715.529.7426
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Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 10:12:27 -0700
Subject: Re: Re: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18 May 201
From: dougsappllc(at)gmail.com
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Why, gentlemen do we, more times than not end up pissing off the original poster who I am sure only had the best intentions? If we keep this up the list will be populated only by those who do not believe the the axiom "if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all". After all is said and done, what have you accomplished?
Doug Sapp
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Michael B. Cavanagh <mikecavanagh1(at)hotmail.com (mikecavanagh1(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:
[quote]--> Yak-List message posted by: "Michael B. Cavanagh" <mikecavanagh1(at)hotmail.com (mikecavanagh1(at)hotmail.com)>
The point to this website is to share information, not debate and degrade others trying to share good ideas. I agree with you that the shape of the gear handle is no help when you've forgotten there is a handle at all. Staying current and proficient is your best defense. I never said knobs were a cure. Losing SA, and that is what forgetting the gear is about, is helped by being in front of the airplane and not being overly distracted when out of the ordinary things happen. No one is immune to forgetting the gear, and there is no one solution for preventing it. Read my paragraph again. That said, I'm dropping this website and you won't hear from me again, Mr. Mark G. Bitterlich. AMF
On May 23, 2014, at 9:33 AM, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil (mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil)> wrote:
[quote] --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil (mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil)>
I think the point here is that having different shaped knobs can indeed help keep you from grabbing the wrong lever and thinking you put the gear down when it fact you did not. I don't personally believe that is an issue in the Yaks, maybe for the 52? Possible I guess. That said, I don't have any stinking flaps on the YAK-50, so it would not help me one little bit either Michael B. Cavanagh.
The point Keith made is perfectly apt, and that is that ANYONE in ANY make, model, series, of aircraft (unless it is down and welded) can be the victim of landing with the gear up, or not carefully noting that all THREE (or in my case TWO) green lights are on, etc. There have been many cases where I have been on short final and have said to myself: "Did I check the gear or not?" I don't hesitate, I look at them AGAIN. After it has happened to YOU, either some very close call, or actually scraping and skidding down the runway, you tend to become paranoid about it, which is probably a good thing.
Point is, the shape of the knob has no bearing on just simply forgetting to lower the dang gear, which is what Keith was alluding to and did not, in my opinion justify your publically written denigrating response, but then I have been guilty of that as well, so I have no room to talk.
By the way, Keith *IS* one of the smart people.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK N66PW
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