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Fred Klein

Joined: 26 Mar 2012
Posts: 503

Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:31 pm Post subject: SkyYiew antenna

I’ve been advised that a garmin instrument technician sez that it is optimal to have the gps antenna a good distance (he said 18 inches) away from other gps antennas as well as the electronics and instruments.



Anyone flying w/ SkyView SV-250-GPS module installed?…if so, I’m curious as to where you’ve installed your SV-250 module, and if performance is acceptable; if not, where are you planning to relocate it…?…



thanx,



Fred

tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.c
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Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:57 pm Post subject: SkyYiew antenna

Hi Fred,



With that Dynon Skyview GPS EFIS setup, what are you considering for a location?? Underside of instrument panel coaming, or in the roof?



Tony R.

On 2 Jun 2014, at 9:30 am, Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> wrote:



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 I’ve been advised that a garmin instrument technician sez that it is optimal to have the gps antenna a good distance (he said 18 inches) away from other gps antennas as well as the electronics and instruments.

 

 Anyone flying w/ SkyView SV-250-GPS module installed?…if so, I’m curious as to where you’ve installed your SV-250 module, and if performance is acceptable; if not, where are you planning to relocate it…?…

 

 thanx,

 

 Fred

Fred Klein

Joined: 26 Mar 2012
Posts: 503

Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 6:36 pm Post subject: SkyYiew antenna

Tony…I came within an ace of mounting it on the top of the instrument panel module, and am just now beginning to consider other options…I’m loathe to mount it on the exterior of the roof…it may fit within the space of the roof and an overhead panel I’ve placed in the cockpit ceiling between the doors…I’d prefer not to mount it back behind the “D” panel…hmmmmm…Fred



On Jun 1, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com> wrote:



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 Hi Fred,

 

 With that Dynon Skyview GPS EFIS setup, what are you considering for a location?? Underside of instrument panel coaming, or in the roof?

 

 Tony R.

 

 

 On 2 Jun 2014, at 9:30 am, Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> wrote:

 

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> I’ve been advised that a garmin instrument technician sez that it is optimal to have the gps antenna a good distance (he said 18 inches) away from other gps antennas as well as the electronics and instruments.

> 

> Anyone flying w/ SkyView SV-250-GPS module installed?…if so, I’m curious as to where you’ve installed your SV-250 module, and if performance is acceptable; if not, where are you planning to relocate it…?…

> 

> thanx,

> 

> Fred

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tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.c
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Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 7:01 pm Post subject: SkyYiew antenna

Hi Fred, 

In the roof between the doors would probably be easy, and unless the GPS antenna is thicker than I imagine, it should fit. On the top of the instrument panel, I meant mounted on the underside though. Is that an option?

TR

Sent from my iPad



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		   On 2 Jun 2014, at 12:36 pm, Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 Tonyâ€¦I came within an ace of mounting it on the top of the instrument panel module, and am just now beginning to consider other optionsâ€¦Iâ€™m loathe to mount it on the exterior of the roofâ€¦it may fit within the space of the roof and an overhead panel Iâ€™ve placed in the cockpit ceiling between the doorsâ€¦Iâ€™d prefer not to mount it back behind the â€œDâ€ panelâ€¦hmmmmmâ€¦Fred

 

> On Jun 1, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com> wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> Hi Fred,

> 

> With that Dynon Skyview GPS EFIS setup, what are you considering for a location?? Underside of instrument panel coaming, or in the roof?

> 

> Tony R.

> 

> 

>> On 2 Jun 2014, at 9:30 am, Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> wrote:

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Iâ€™ve been advised that a garmin instrument technician sez that it is optimal to have the gps antenna a good distance (he said 18 inches) away from other gps antennas as well as the electronics and instruments.

>> 

>> Anyone flying w/ SkyView SV-250-GPS module installed?â€¦if so, Iâ€™m curious as to where youâ€™ve installed your SV-250 module, and if performance is acceptable; if not, where are you planning to relocate itâ€¦?â€¦

>> 

>> thanx,

>> 

>> Fred

rehn(at)rockisland.com
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Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 7:11 pm Post subject: SkyYiew antenna

Fred

I have had a panel mounted Garmin GPS at the top of my radio stack with the remote gps antenna mounted just behind it over the radio stack under the top of instrument panel. Another ADS-B on top of the tray with GPS. Also a remote GPS moving map suction cup mounted to the windscreen port side. Never had a problem with any of them. Great reception from all. Run them together. 

I am visiting you soon, been flying nearly every day!

Regards

Jerry





Sent from my iPad



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		   On Jun 1, 2014, at 7:36 PM, Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 Tonyâ€¦I came within an ace of mounting it on the top of the instrument panel module, and am just now beginning to consider other optionsâ€¦Iâ€™m loathe to mount it on the exterior of the roofâ€¦it may fit within the space of the roof and an overhead panel Iâ€™ve placed in the cockpit ceiling between the doorsâ€¦Iâ€™d prefer not to mount it back behind the â€œDâ€ panelâ€¦hmmmmmâ€¦Fred

 

> On Jun 1, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com> wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> Hi Fred,

> 

> With that Dynon Skyview GPS EFIS setup, what are you considering for a location?? Underside of instrument panel coaming, or in the roof?

> 

> Tony R.

> 

> 

>> On 2 Jun 2014, at 9:30 am, Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> wrote:

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Iâ€™ve been advised that a garmin instrument technician sez that it is optimal to have the gps antenna a good distance (he said 18 inches) away from other gps antennas as well as the electronics and instruments.

>> 

>> Anyone flying w/ SkyView SV-250-GPS module installed?â€¦if so, Iâ€™m curious as to where youâ€™ve installed your SV-250 module, and if performance is acceptable; if not, where are you planning to relocate itâ€¦?â€¦

>> 

>> thanx,

>> 

>> Fred

Fred Klein

Joined: 26 Mar 2012
Posts: 503

Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 7:44 pm Post subject: SkyYiew antenna

Tony…the SV-250-GPS is a little puck which is 3/4” thick, plus it has a wire directly out it’s underside which is set in mastic…this will need about a quarter inch to bend around, so an inch space should do the trick…leave it to me to have made my overhead panel a bit concave so it will be tight...thanks for the idea…Fred



On Jun 1, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com> wrote:



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 Hi Fred, 

 In the roof between the doors would probably be easy, and unless the GPS antenna is thicker than I imagine, it should fit. On the top of the instrument panel, I meant mounted on the underside though. Is that an option?

 TR

 

 

 Sent from my iPad

 

> On 2 Jun 2014, at 12:36 pm, Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> Tony…I came within an ace of mounting it on the top of the instrument panel module, and am just now beginning to consider other options…I’m loathe to mount it on the exterior of the roof…it may fit within the space of the roof and an overhead panel I’ve placed in the cockpit ceiling between the doors…I’d prefer not to mount it back behind the “D” panel…hmmmmm…Fred

> 

>> On Jun 1, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com> wrote:

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Hi Fred,

>> 

>> With that Dynon Skyview GPS EFIS setup, what are you considering for a location?? Underside of instrument panel coaming, or in the roof?

>> 

>> Tony R.

>> 

>> 

>>> On 2 Jun 2014, at 9:30 am, Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> wrote:

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> I’ve been advised that a garmin instrument technician sez that it is optimal to have the gps antenna a good distance (he said 18 inches) away from other gps antennas as well as the electronics and instruments.

>>> 

>>> Anyone flying w/ SkyView SV-250-GPS module installed?…if so, I’m curious as to where you’ve installed your SV-250 module, and if performance is acceptable; if not, where are you planning to relocate it…?…

>>> 

>>> thanx,

>>> 

>>> Fred

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>

Trevpond(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:15 am Post subject: SkyYiew antenna

Hi Fred,

  

 My Skyview antenna is under the instrument panel coaming on the left hand  side.  Garmin Antenna for the 695 is on the right hand side.  Never  had any problems and always get perfect signals on both the instruments.

  

 best regards

  

  

  

 Trev

 G-LINN

  

  In a message dated 02/06/2014 02:15:31 GMT Daylight Time,  tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com writes:

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Hi Fred,



With that Dynon    Skyview GPS EFIS setup, what are you considering for a location?? Underside of    instrument panel coaming, or in the roof?



Tony R.

On 2 Jun    2014, at 9:30 am, Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> wrote:



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 Iâ€™ve been advised that a    garmin instrument technician sez that it is optimal to have the gps antenna a    good distance (he said 18 inches) away from other gps antennas as well as the    electronics and instruments.

 

 Anyone flying w/ SkyView    SV-250-GPS module installed?â€¦if so, Iâ€™m curious as to where youâ€™ve installed    your SV-250 module, and if performance is acceptable; if not, where are you    planning to relocate itâ€¦?â€¦

 

 thanx,

 

    Fred

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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fireflier

Joined: 24 Jun 2012
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Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 4:59 am Post subject: SkyYiew antenna

Hi Fred



I have got my gps module mounted into a recess on the tip of my instrument panel. I have also got my garmin 296 gps antenna mounted in a similar position. 



I don't have any problems with them being mounted here or have any problems with them being located close to each other. 



See photos attached showing mine incorporated into the top of my instrument panel. 



Kind regards

Donald

G-PUPY ( awaiting LAA paperwork to allow test flying)



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On 2 Jun 2014, at 00:30, Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> wrote:



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 Iâ€™ve been advised that a garmin instrument technician sez that it is optimal to have the gps antenna a good distance (he said 18 inches) away from other gps antennas as well as the electronics and instruments.

 

 Anyone flying w/ SkyView SV-250-GPS module installed?â€¦if so, Iâ€™m curious as to where youâ€™ve installed your SV-250 module, and if performance is acceptable; if not, where are you planning to relocate itâ€¦?â€¦

 

 thanx,

 

 Fred

 

 

 

 

 

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Fred Klein

Joined: 26 Mar 2012
Posts: 503

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 5:17 am Post subject: SkyYiew antenna

Donald…thanks for the reassurance…and the pixs…very sweet installation…would love to see a pix of your panel itself…good luck w/ your test flying…Fred

On Jun 2, 2014, at 5:58 AM, Donald Cameron <fireflier(at)btinternet.com (fireflier(at)btinternet.com)> wrote:

[quote]I have got my gps module mounted into a recess on the tip of my instrument panel. I have also got my garmin 296 gps antenna mounted in a similar position. I don't have any problems with them being mounted here or have any problems with them being located close to each other. [b]

fireflier

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Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 5:26 am Post subject: SkyYiew antenna

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Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 9:44 am Post subject: SkyYiew antenna

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  Fred,

 Have mounted Garmin, Dynon, Grand Rapids GPS antennas inside the  panel.  The postage stamp style (dynon/grt/aftermarket for handheld 496)  work best mounted to a hat shapped aluminum mount reduxed to the top inside of  the panel.  I find the postage stamp type work best mounted to a small thin  metal bracket or signal reception degrades...  Grounding of the metal makes  no difference.

  

 Garmin IFR antennas are mounted under the top above the space between the  radio stack and instruments.  No metal backing necessary.  I use  fiberglass C sections on each side (actually just wrapped the Garmin with glass  with release tape to make it replaceable and used the provided screw holes  )...

  

 Some Rules:

 The antenna cannot be mounted under any metal, carbon fiber.  Avoid  metalic paint (metal flake) on the panel.

 If using fans in the top, obviously keep them to the sides of the  antenna.

 Make sure you use good quality coax.

 Mount the antenna solid so it doesn't vibrate.

 If you install a marker beacon home made antenna in the panel, keep it  clear by about 6 inches as it swallows waves of its own.

 I've put the GRT antenna 8 inches from the Garmin antenna and they both  work fine.  The GRT hat section metal is a bit wider than the postage stamp  and the vertical part of the hat blocks the Garmin from direct line of  sight.  They play nicely together.

  

 Never had any problems with these simple rules.

  

 Anytime you mount something to the top of the instrument panel it will  reflect on the windscreen.  You shouldn't paint the Garmins or postage  stamp types.  So the only help is to put a piece of black cloth over the  white antenna.  Some of the postage stamps are a satin black and aren't too  bad but you sure do see it in the reflection of the panel top on the  screen.

  

 If fans are installed, paint the fan flat black and cover with fiberglass  screens installed on the panel, painted to match the panel color or flat  black.

 Panel top should be painted a dark color (dark brown, flat black, dark  gray) to keep light reflections on the windscreens to a minimum.

 I paint my panels with SEM interior lacquer color paint, coat with their  flat clear but lacquer chips so...  I use Polyurethane paint over the SEM  interior lacquer color paint with flatener added.  Then letter the  panel.  Then coat with another layer of flat clear.  SEM makes a  clear hotrod flat paint that works well.  Polyurethane holds up well  to the stuff we throw in the tray, or other stuff we flop on top of the  panel.  The flat can be wiped clean without streaking and can be touched up  nicely if gouged.  No reflection problems.  Stay away from enamel and  lacquer flat finishes as they don't hold up to wear and tear and often look  funny after wiping the dust off with cleaner.

  

 Now that I have the wife flying with me, military gray/ flat black is  out of my paint inventory.  We have 12AY in nice tan (face) and browns  (panel) that are soothing and comfortable and match the leather and fabrics  in the cockpit giving a uniformity to the texture and feel.  (I've been  watching too many decorating shows lately.)  You get awards for nice paint  and stuff, but watch the reflections and wearability or you'll never see traffic  with the sun at 12 o'clock...

  

  

 Regards,

 Bud Yerly

  

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Fred Klein

Joined: 26 Mar 2012
Posts: 503

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 7:11 pm Post subject: SkyYiew antenna

Bud…thank you for your comprehensive reply to my questions…I keep a special file of your thorough and detailed posts…especially helpful to a novice since my bird is tending towards having a high degree of novelty.



How I value this forum,

Fred

On Jun 2, 2014, at 10:43 AM, Bud Yerly <budyerly(at)msn.com (budyerly(at)msn.com)> wrote:

[quote]Have mounted Garmin, Dynon, Grand Rapids GPS antennas inside the panel.  

 

Some Rules:

Never had any problems with these simple rules.

 

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budyerly(at)msn.com
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:20 am Post subject: SkyYiew antenna

Fred

 I think my wordy answers take too much computer space.

 

 

 One of the reasons for using a metal inverted hat is to limit direct RF from the radio stack. Orient it laterally.  Its worked so far.

 

 

 Bud

 

 

 Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

 

 

 

 Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> wrote:

 

 Budâ€¦thank you for your comprehensive reply to my questionsâ€¦I keep a special file of your thorough and detailed postsâ€¦especially helpful to a novice since my bird is tending towards having a high degree of novelty. 

 

 How I value this forum,

 

 

 Fred 

  On Jun 2, 2014, at 10:43 AM, Bud Yerly <budyerly(at)msn.com (budyerly(at)msn.com)> wrote:

  [quote]  Have mounted Garmin, Dynon, Grand Rapids GPS antennas inside the panel.  

   

  Some Rules:

   Never had any problems with these simple rules.

   

 



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Fred Klein

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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 6:31 am Post subject: SkyYiew antenna

Bud…because of concerns for available space within the instrument module, I’ve opted to locate my SV-250-GPS puck in my overhead console, midway (in two axes) between the door hinges, hopefully avoiding any potential RF interference problems. 



I appreciate being alerted to both the RF issue as well as the visual reflection issue had I just plunked the puck down on the top surface of the module (which I was about to do) before receiving various listers’ comments and recommendations.

F.



On Jun 3, 2014, at 5:19 AM, Bud Yerly <budyerly(at)msn.com (budyerly(at)msn.com)> wrote:

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		  One of the reasons for using a metal inverted hat is to limit direct RF from the radio stack. Orient it laterally.  Its worked so far.

davidjoyce(at)doctors.org
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 8:58 am Post subject: SkyYiew antenna

Fred, Coming late into this thread, for what it is worth, 

I have two GPS aerials in the panel overhead between the 

doors - one for a Garmin 496 and the other for the built 

in GPS in my EFIS.  I have a very thin plywood panel 

filling that gap and they are fixed to the panel, which 

also houses the headset sockets. The aerial wires run one 

up each side of the windscreen. They have worked 

faultlessly for 12 years and unlike most of my friends I 

have never run out of GPS signal at any time.

    I would strongly endorse the warning of not having 

anything on top of the panel that will give reflections. 

Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ

On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 08:19:15 -0400

  Bud Yerly <budyerly(at)msn.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Fred

 I think my wordy answers take too much computer space.

 One of the reasons for using a metal inverted hat is to 

limit direct RF from the radio stack. Orient it 

laterally.  Its worked so far.

 Bud

 Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> wrote:

 Budâ€¦thank you for your comprehensive reply to my 

questionsâ€¦I keep a special file of your thorough and 

detailed postsâ€¦especially helpful to a novice since my 

bird is tending towards having a high degree of novelty.

 How I value this forum,

Fred

 On Jun 2, 2014, at 10:43 AM, Bud Yerly 

<budyerly(at)msn.com> wrote:

> Have mounted Garmin, Dynon, Grand Rapids GPS antennas 

>inside the panel.

>

> Some Rules:

> Never had any problems with these simple rules.

>

budyerly(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:34 am Post subject: SkyYiew antenna

Excellent place.  Just more wire.

 

 

 I put as much as possible in the panel so as to be able to test the entire panel, less autopilot  servos, on the bench.  Just add power and my com dongle, and play with it.  IFR instrument certs are a snap normally, however, I am amazed how resistant com  shops are to doing a panel removal, and bench work.  Local avionics guys love my panels,  others are confused.

 

 

 Drawback is the panel has 10 pounds of crap in a 5 pound bag.  Bit tight on an IFR panel.

 

 

 Bud

 

 

 Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

 

 

 

 Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> wrote:

 

 Budâ€¦because of concerns for available space within the instrument module, Iâ€™ve opted to locate my SV-250-GPS puck in my overhead console, midway (in two axes) between the door hinges, hopefully avoiding any potential RF interference  problems.   

 

 I appreciate being alerted to both the RF issue as well as the visual reflection issue had I just plunked the puck down on the top surface of the module (which I was about to do) before receiving various listersâ€™ comments and recommendations.

 

 

 F.

 

  On Jun 3, 2014, at 5:19 AM, Bud Yerly <budyerly(at)msn.com (budyerly(at)msn.com)> wrote:

  [quote]  One of the reasons for using a metal inverted hat is to limit direct RF from the radio stack. Orient it laterally.  Its worked so far.

  



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