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 Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 7:23 am Post subject: Upper forward fuselage attach |
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Anyone have advice re delaying final attachment of upper forward fuselage until after mounting engine and doing most of the firewall forward work? Is it reasonable to delay (waiting to do instruments/avionics near the end of the project)?
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 7:31 am Post subject: Upper forward fuselage attach |
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You can delay all of that until closer to the end. Avionics are changing so fast that making those decisions the absolute last thing is the best way to go. Just make sure you have conduits through closed up areas.
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On May 30, 2014, at 11:23 AM, bob88 <marty.crooks(at)comcast.net> wrote:
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Anyone have advice re delaying final attachment of upper forward fuselage until after mounting engine and doing most of the firewall forward work? Is it reasonable to delay (waiting to do instruments/avionics near the end of the project)?
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Kelly McMullen
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 7:47 am Post subject: Upper forward fuselage attach |
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Yes, delay can be advantageous. A few of the firewall rivets will get interesting to drive with the engine mount in the way, but otherwise, I think a large percentage of us have done same thing.
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Anyone have advice re delaying final attachment of upper forward fuselage until after mounting engine and doing most of the firewall forward work? Is it reasonable to delay (waiting to do instruments/avionics near the end of the project)?
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philperry9
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 9:32 am Post subject: Upper forward fuselage attach |
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I'm getting ready to drop my panel in for good. The plan is to build the upper fuse section out with the panel and wiring; then drop the entire assembly down into the fuselage from the top.
Has anyone tried that with Geoff's panel? I'm assuming it will work fine, but it would be nice to discover any issues before I have thousands of dollars hanging a few feet in the air.
Phil
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
[quote]Yes, delay can be advantageous. A few of the firewall rivets will get interesting to drive with the engine mount in the way, but otherwise, I think a large percentage of us have done same thing.
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 9:36 am Post subject: Upper forward fuselage attach |
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I did the same. I got quite good at taking it on and off. Even after the cabin cover was installed.
It definitely saves time that you have to spend on your back under the panel. Even more important for use old farts with bifocals.
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On May 30, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
Yes, delay can be advantageous. A few of the firewall rivets will get interesting to drive with the engine mount in the way, but otherwise, I think a large percentage of us have done same thing.
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 9:58 am Post subject: Upper forward fuselage attach |
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I made my panel removable as a unit so I have connectors between the panel and the airframe. It will be easier to rivet the fwd upper fuse on without the instrument panel in place but the rivets just fwd of the panel may be hard to get to with a bucking bar. If you can't get to the tail with a bucking bar ..... well, that's why they make pull rivets.
Linn
On 5/30/2014 1:31 PM, Phillip Perry wrote:
[quote] I'm getting ready to drop my panel in for good. The plan is to build the upper fuse section out with the panel and wiring; then drop the entire assembly down into the fuselage from the top.
Has anyone tried that with Geoff's panel? I'm assuming it will work fine, but it would be nice to discover any issues before I have thousands of dollars hanging a few feet in the air.
Phil
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Yes, delay can be advantageous. A few of the firewall rivets will get interesting to drive with the engine mount in the way, but otherwise, I think a large percentage of us have done same thing.
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 10:09 am Post subject: Upper forward fuselage attach |
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For two RVs now I have panels that unplug and come out of the plane. I would recommend the same approach to any builder. While this might seem complicated it is really simple once you figure out what interconnecting wiring stays with the panel and what parts get mounted someplace other than the panel (e.g. ARINC, Transponder, EMS, ADHRS). Power breakers and associated switches are very straightforward if you are using a stock Van’s panel as the non-avionic stuff stays in the plan on the bottom apron. The panel avionic breakers are mounted on the panel – and thus come out with the panel.
You will modify your panel at some point. The RV-8A had 4 mods in 11 years. The RV-10 has had one mod in the first two years. Having it come out of the plane after a few minutes of disconnecting stuff really simplifies this.
So for the original question I would decouple the forward fuselage attach from any panel issue. Considering pile of work needed on the windshield and canopy you will have a lot of time to buy newer avionics when you are really ready for them.
What I did was fully finish the fuselage, doors, and all associated glass work before engine mount. The fuselage on stubby legs to facilitate all this work. I did run the needed conduit and such before putting in the floorboards. After that the plane went to the hangar for engine and cowl fit once it was up on the gear.
Carl
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I did the same. I got quite good at taking it on and off. Even after the cabin cover was installed.
It definitely saves time that you have to spend on your back under the panel. Even more important for use old farts with bifocals.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 30, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
Yes, delay can be advantageous. A few of the firewall rivets will get interesting to drive with the engine mount in the way, but otherwise, I think a large percentage of us have done same thing.
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 8:23 AM, bob88 <marty.crooks(at)comcast.net (marty.crooks(at)comcast.net)> wrote:
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Anyone have advice re delaying final attachment of upper forward fuselage until after mounting engine and doing most of the firewall forward work? Is it reasonable to delay (waiting to do instruments/avionics near the end of the project)?
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On 5/30/2014 2:08 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
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For two RVs now I have panels that unplug and come out of the plane. I would recommend the same approach to any builder. While this might seem complicated it is really simple once you figure out what interconnecting wiring stays with the panel and what parts get mounted someplace other than the panel (e.g. ARINC, Transponder, EMS, ADHRS). Power breakers and associated switches are very straightforward if you are using a stock Van’s panel as the non-avionic stuff stays in the plan on the bottom apron. The panel avionic breakers are mounted on the panel – and thus come out with the panel.
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I modified the 'bottom apron' or 'switch panel' ..... cut the 'tab' off the switch panel and replaced it with a piece of angle with a nut plate on it, riveted to the fuselage like the panel tab. My fuse panel is from Stein and uses automotive fuses with the indicator light. It's attached by hinge to the vans switch panel, and flips up against the sub-panel where it's held with automotive plastic pull fasteners. I use Molex .093 connectors for the 'larger stuff' and molex .062 for the smaller wires .... on the left side. I also have wires that drop down in the center from the inst panel and sub panel and run in the tunnel. I also use D connectors where convenient. I still have to remove the screws from the bus bar and alt. breaker, but everything else is on a connector.
There are those builders that fly for years without ever removing any part of their panel .... and I may be one too, but I've already 'installed' my panel a couple dozen times ..... and I don't have the fwd upper fuse riveted on yet .... but soon.
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 10:42 am Post subject: Upper forward fuselage attach |
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I don't think that will work. I believe the longerons will get in they way of the air ducts on Geoff's panel. I took the panel off before installing/removing the upper fuse assembly.
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On May 30, 2014, at 1:31 PM, Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
I'm getting ready to drop my panel in for good. The plan is to build the upper fuse section out with the panel and wiring; then drop the entire assembly down into the fuselage from the top.
Has anyone tried that with Geoff's panel? I'm assuming it will work fine, but it would be nice to discover any issues before I have thousands of dollars hanging a few feet in the air.
Phil
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
[quote]Yes, delay can be advantageous. A few of the firewall rivets will get interesting to drive with the engine mount in the way, but otherwise, I think a large percentage of us have done same thing.
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