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yellowbird1



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 6:48 pm    Post subject: Annual Reply with quote
Kolbers,
It’s time for my first annual on my Xtra. As I purchased the plane I don’t have any reference on doing an annual. What can I do myself and what must be done by an A&P? I would think that I should have an A&P do the engine portion. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 7:49 pm    Post subject: Annual Reply with quote
On 7/2/2014 9:50 PM, Brad Nation wrote:
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Kolbers,
It’s time for my first annual on my Xtra. As I purchased the plane I don’t have any reference on doing an annual. What can I do myself and what must be done by an A&P? I would think that I should have an A&P do the engine portion. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Brad Nation
Yellowbird1
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What kind of a/w cert? If it's experimental homebuilt, the only thing

you need an A&P to do is sign off the annual condition inspection.
Legally, anyone can do anything else. Repairs, mods, general service,
anything.

Having said that, it doesn't necessarily mean that just anyone *should*,
at least until they gain some experience. Anyone in your area that has
experience with Kolbs? If so, they could probably help the A&P, because
most A&Ps don't deal with experimentals much.

Charlie

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 5:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Annual Reply with quote
When I first purchased my Firestar II, I had an A&P do an annual for me.
He charged me the outrageous sum of $50. There are no panels to open &
no hidden control housings. He took about half an hour & I was right beside him. We then did a weight & balance to check the numbers. The paperwork took almost as much time....... Smile

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 5:38 pm    Post subject: Annual Reply with quote
$50. omg I only charge. $42
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When I first purchased my Firestar II, I had an A&P do an annual for me.
He charged me the outrageous sum of $50. There are no panels to open &
no hidden control housings. He took about half an hour & I was right beside him. We then did a weight & balance to check the numbers. The paperwork took almost as much time....... Smile


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:30 pm    Post subject: Annual Reply with quote
Woody.
I don't know where you are, but $50 seems reasonable to me (I'm in Maine) for an hour's work by a certified professional, who's spent a lot of time & money getting certified.
Russ K
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When I first purchased my Firestar II, I had an A&P do an annual for me.
He charged me the outrageous sum of $50. There are no panels to open &
no hidden control housings. He took about half an hour & I was right beside him. We then did a weight & balance to check the numbers. The paperwork took almost as much time....... Smile




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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:35 pm    Post subject: Annual Reply with quote
Russ,

I don't know, but strongly suspect that there was a missing Wink in that
message from woody.

Charlie

On 7/3/2014 9:30 PM, kinne russ wrote:
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Woody.
I don't know where you are, but $50 seems reasonable to me (I'm in Maine) for an hour's work by a certified professional, who's spent a lot of time & money getting certified.
Russ K
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> When I first purchased my Firestar II, I had an A&P do an annual for me.
> He charged me the outrageous sum of $50. There are no panels to open &
> no hidden control housings. He took about half an hour & I was right beside him. We then did a weight & balance to check the numbers. The paperwork took almost as much time....... Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 7:42 am    Post subject: Annual Reply with quote
I think you're right!

On Jul 3, 2014, at 11:35 PM, Charlie England wrote:

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Russ,

I don't know, but strongly suspect that there was a missing Wink in that message from woody.

Charlie

On 7/3/2014 9:30 PM, kinne russ wrote:
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> Woody.
> I don't know where you are, but $50 seems reasonable to me (I'm in Maine) for an hour's work by a certified professional, who's spent a lot of time & money getting certified.
> Russ K
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> On Jul 3, 2014, at 9:09 PM, woody wrote:
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>>
>> When I first purchased my Firestar II, I had an A&P do an annual for me.
>> He charged me the outrageous sum of $50. There are no panels to open &
>> no hidden control housings. He took about half an hour & I was right beside him. We then did a weight & balance to check the numbers. The paperwork took almost as much time....... Smile
>>
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Annual Reply with quote
My kolb is registered as an N numbered experimental

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 7:18 am    Post subject: Annual Reply with quote
Brad, There are two types of experimental certificates most commonly. One is experimental amateur built (EAB), and the other is experimental light sport aircraft (ELSA).Only the original builder can get a repairman certificate for an EAB so a non-builder owner has to hire an A & P to do the annual conditional inspection.
The owner of an ELSA can take a 16 hour class and get a repairman inspection certificate for his/her airplane ONLY. When you get the license from the FAA it will have the N number of your aircraft on it.
There's also the off chance that your aircraft is registered experimental exhibition (EE). If you have that you'd be making annual reports to your local FAA Flight Standards District Office (FSDO) outlining what flying you're going to be allowed to do, so I doubt your aircraft is EE, but you should check, just in case.
For all you $50, one hour annual folks. Go to FAR 43 Appendix D and take a look at all the things required on an annual and tell me how you check all that in one hour and do the paperwork. Either you've hired Speedy Gonzalez or you're doing a pencil whip.
Since you're already in FAR 43, go to 43.12 and contemplate what it says. Take a moment to think about what a lawyer could do to you if there were a crash involving serious injury or loss of life. Think about having everything you've worked for in life taken from you, possibly even your freedom.
Still think that $50 looks reasonable?
Rick Girard

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:29 pm    Post subject: Annual Reply with quote
It is listed as an EAB.Is it even possible to get the registration changed to ELSA?
Brad Nation

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[quote]Brad, There are two types of experimental certificates most commonly. One is experimental amateur built (EAB), and the other is experimental light sport aircraft (ELSA).Only the original builder can get a repairman certificate for an EAB so a non-builder owner has to hire an A & P to do the annual conditional inspection.
The owner of an ELSA can take a 16 hour class and get a repairman inspection certificate for his/her airplane ONLY. When you get the license from the FAA it will have the N number of your aircraft on it.
There's also the off chance that your aircraft is registered experimental exhibition (EE). If you have that you'd be making annual reports to your local FAA Flight Standards District Office (FSDO) outlining what flying you're going to be allowed to do, so I doubt your aircraft is EE, but you should check, just in case.
For all you $50, one hour annual folks. Go to FAR 43 Appendix D and take a look at all the things required on an annual and tell me how you check all that in one hour and do the paperwork. Either you've hired Speedy Gonzalez or you're doing a pencil whip.
Since you're already in FAR 43, go to 43.12 and contemplate what it says. Take a moment to think about what a lawyer could do to you if there were a crash involving serious injury or loss of life. Think about having everything you've worked for in life taken from you, possibly even your freedom.
Still think that $50 looks reasonable?
Rick Girard

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Annual Reply with quote
My A and P charges $200 to do my annual on a Powered Parachute. I think its a deal because the local shop at the airport told me $550. Maybe one day I will have a Kolb. Confused

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 6:06 pm    Post subject: Annual Reply with quote
Brad
I believe that you cannot change to ELSA. Only airplane kits that have been demonstrated to be SLSA (factory built LSA) and are offered as a kit that cannot be modified at all are eligible to be ELSA. Furthermore, once it's registered EAB it cannot be changed. The only change allowed is for an SLSA to move to ELSA.
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It is listed as an EAB.Is it even possible to get the registration changed to ELSA?
Brad Nation

On Aug 12, 2014, at 9:18 , Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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Brad, There are two types of experimental certificates most commonly. One is experimental amateur built (EAB), and the other is experimental light sport aircraft (ELSA).Only the original builder can get a repairman certificate for an EAB so a non-builder owner has to hire an A & P to do the annual conditional inspection.
The owner of an ELSA can take a 16 hour class and get a repairman inspection certificate for his/her airplane ONLY. When you get the license from the FAA it will have the N number of your aircraft on it.
There's also the off chance that your aircraft is registered experimental exhibition (EE). If you have that you'd be making annual reports to your local FAA Flight Standards District Office (FSDO) outlining what flying you're going to be allowed to do, so I doubt your aircraft is EE, but you should check, just in case.
For all you $50, one hour annual folks. Go to FAR 43 Appendix D and take a look at all the things required on an annual and tell me how you check all that in one hour and do the paperwork. Either you've hired Speedy Gonzalez or you're doing a pencil whip.
Since you're already in FAR 43, go to 43.12 and contemplate what it says. Take a moment to think about what a lawyer could do to you if there were a crash involving serious injury or loss of life. Think about having everything you've worked for in life taken from you, possibly even your freedom.
Still think that $50 looks reasonable?
Rick Girard


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 3:44 am    Post subject: Re: Annual Reply with quote
Please correct me if I am wrong; but why in hell would anyone even want to change the registration from EAB to ELSA? If the airplane is registered with a max gross takeoff weight of 1320 pounds or less, most any Kolb qualifies for operation as a Light Sport Aircraft.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 7:21 am    Post subject: Annual Reply with quote
Jerry

Someone might want to so that they could do their own inspections (assuming they don't hold the repairman certificate for their EAB already). By taking the 2 day course you can do your own inspections on your ELSA. But, since you can't change the certification on your EAB it is dosen't matter.

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Please correct me if I am wrong; but why in hell would anyone even want to change the registration from EAB to ELSA? If the airplane is registered with a max gross takeoff weight of 1320 pounds or less, most any Kolb qualifies for operation as a Light Sport Aircraft.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 2:38 pm    Post subject: Annual Reply with quote
Because according to my understanding of the FAR if it registered as a ELSA and I take the 16 hour maintenance course I can do my own annuals.
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Please correct me if I am wrong; but why in hell would anyone even want to change the registration from EAB to ELSA? If the airplane is registered with a max gross takeoff weight of 1320 pounds or less, most any Kolb qualifies for operation as a Light Sport Aircraft.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 6:55 am    Post subject: Annual Reply with quote
Brad, The short answer is no. Since the grandfathering clause for "fat ultralights" ended on Jan 31st 2010 the only way to get an ELSA certificate is to have a kit built from a qualifying SLSA. See FAR 21.191 (i) 2.

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On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 6:32 PM, Brad Nation <nationcap(at)comcast.net (nationcap(at)comcast.net)> wrote:
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It is listed as an EAB.Is it even possible to get the registration changed to ELSA?


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On Aug 12, 2014, at 9:18 , Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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Brad, There are two types of experimental certificates most commonly. One is experimental amateur built (EAB), and the other is experimental light sport aircraft (ELSA).Only the original builder can get a repairman certificate for an EAB so a non-builder owner has to hire an A & P to do the annual conditional inspection.
The owner of an ELSA can take a 16 hour class and get a repairman inspection certificate for his/her airplane ONLY. When you get the license from the FAA it will have the N number of your aircraft on it.
There's also the off chance that your aircraft is registered experimental exhibition (EE). If you have that you'd be making annual reports to your local FAA Flight Standards District Office (FSDO) outlining what flying you're going to be allowed to do, so I doubt your aircraft is EE, but you should check, just in case.
For all you $50, one hour annual folks. Go to FAR 43 Appendix D and take a look at all the things required on an annual and tell me how you check all that in one hour and do the paperwork. Either you've hired Speedy Gonzalez or you're doing a pencil whip.
Since you're already in FAR 43, go to 43.12 and contemplate what it says. Take a moment to think about what a lawyer could do to you if there were a crash involving serious injury or loss of life. Think about having everything you've worked for in life taken from you, possibly even your freedom.
Still think that $50 looks reasonable?
Rick Girard


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 7:00 am    Post subject: Annual Reply with quote
Malcolm, all, An ELSA must only be exactly like its SLSA qualifying aircraft at the time of inspection for the experimental certificate. Once the certificate is issued it's an experimental and you can change ANYTHING you want.

Rick Girard

On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 9:04 PM, <gliderx5(at)comcast.net (gliderx5(at)comcast.net)> wrote:
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I believe that you cannot change to ELSA. Only airplane kits that have been demonstrated to be SLSA (factory built LSA) and are offered as a kit that cannot be modified at all are eligible to be ELSA. Furthermore, once it's registered EAB it cannot be changed. The only change allowed is for an SLSA to move to ELSA.


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It is listed as an EAB.Is it even possible to get the registration changed to ELSA?


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On Aug 12, 2014, at 9:18 , Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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Brad, There are two types of experimental certificates most commonly. One is experimental amateur built (EAB), and the other is experimental light sport aircraft (ELSA).Only the original builder can get a repairman certificate for an EAB so a non-builder owner has to hire an A & P to do the annual conditional inspection.
The owner of an ELSA can take a 16 hour class and get a repairman inspection certificate for his/her airplane ONLY. When you get the license from the FAA it will have the N number of your aircraft on it.
There's also the off chance that your aircraft is registered experimental exhibition (EE). If you have that you'd be making annual reports to your local FAA Flight Standards District Office (FSDO) outlining what flying you're going to be allowed to do, so I doubt your aircraft is EE, but you should check, just in case.
For all you $50, one hour annual folks. Go to FAR 43 Appendix D and take a look at all the things required on an annual and tell me how you check all that in one hour and do the paperwork. Either you've hired Speedy Gonzalez or you're doing a pencil whip.
Since you're already in FAR 43, go to 43.12 and contemplate what it says. Take a moment to think about what a lawyer could do to you if there were a crash involving serious injury or loss of life. Think about having everything you've worked for in life taken from you, possibly even your freedom.
Still think that $50 looks reasonable?
Rick Girard


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My kolb is registered as an N numbered experimental

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