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dlm34077
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You may want to check the Matco brakes for the RV10. Price competitive and about twice the stopping power.
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Kelly McMullen
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Do they work with Cleveland wheels, or do you have to buy complete Matco wheels and caliper set?
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tfarrell839
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:06 am Post subject: brakes |
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You have to buy the complete set. It makes a big difference over the Cleveland setup. I recommend it.
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[quote]Do they work with Cleveland wheels, or do you have to buy complete Matco wheels and caliper set?
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EdKranz
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:08 am Post subject: brakes |
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You have to buy the complete set.
But they are very nicely made. I'm not flying yet, but I'm happy with the way they went together, and the quality of the parts.
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
[quote] Do they work with Cleveland wheels, or do you have to buy complete Matco wheels and caliper set?
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 6:33 AM, DLM <dlm34077(at)cox.net (dlm34077(at)cox.net)> wrote:
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:19 am Post subject: brakes |
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I just installed a set of these. It's a good day job. Twice the brakes. Nice system.
Jesse SaintI-TEC, Inc.
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aerosport1
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I was one of the first few people to install these brakes. I think Sean Strasburg was the first. They are far superior to
The stock brakes. I have had them on for over a year and love them.
Geoff
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You may want to check the Matco brakes for the RV10. Price competitive and about twice the stopping power.
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Kelly McMullen
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:58 am Post subject: brakes |
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Is the feeling that the Cleveland brakes are inadequate? Anyone have problems flat spotting tires with the upgraded Matco brakes? It would seem the Matco brake pads are more expensive than Rapco, and ties you to a single source for pads.
It does appear that the cost is under $900, where I believe the Cleveland set was over $2000. Of course then there is the effort to sell the unused Cleveland set.
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Geoff Combs <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com (g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com)> wrote:
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I was one of the first few people to install these brakes. I think Sean Strasburg was the first. They are far superior to
The stock brakes. I have had them on for over a year and love them.
Geoff
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You may want to check the Matco brakes for the RV10. Price competitive and about twice the stopping power.
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I've had Clevelands on all my airplanes .... and never had any problem in over 40 years. I can't see where twice the stopping power is a benefit! Where do y'all need to jump on the brakes like that???
Linn
On 7/3/2014 11:57 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
[quote] Is the feeling that the Cleveland brakes are inadequate? Anyone have problems flat spotting tires with the upgraded Matco brakes? It would seem the Matco brake pads are more expensive than Rapco, and ties you to a single source for pads.
It does appear that the cost is under $900, where I believe the Cleveland set was over $2000. Of course then there is the effort to sell the unused Cleveland set.
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Geoff Combs <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com (g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com)> wrote:
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 10:26 am Post subject: brakes |
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I guess I'd tend to agree, myself, but there are two sides to
the discussion I guess.
I've talked to Sean about this, and he's seen some brake fade
before, and with the added stopping power you wouldn't get much
for brake fade. From what he says, it's not really for
stopping on a landing, but stopping from an aborted takeoff
that it would matter most. I can see the point, and see
the benefit.
That said, I've never experienced the need for more brake than
I have, and in fact I've had a few times where I did some
hard braking to make a turnoff and screeched a flat spot onto
a tire, so I believe that 99.5% of the time the stock brakes
will be plenty, and most people won't ever have the chance
to use the additional stopping power, hopefully.
Then from a purchase standpoint, I'd guess that if you
already own one type of wheel/brake system, the economics
of changing really aren't worthwhile for anyone, unless you
really just have to have those powerful brakes. It's
not like I'm going to get big bucks for my old brakes.
Then from a standpoint of replacement parts, it is somewhat
nice that if you use a standard system, you can buy standard
parts at many places. I just experienced a flat in one of
my main tubes while on vacation, which drove home the
idea that it's kind of nice to be able to get parts from
a nearby source in a pinch. If you have Cleveland, you
have a good chance of being able to find some parts. With
any others, you may find yourself getting some shipped
overnight and taking a couple days. But then again, you
may have less need for the parts, right? I'm also not a
huge fan of single-source type products in that from EFIS's
to Wheels, many of the things we buy for our plane rely
on a very tiny number of people to supply the services.
If that company got hit by a meteor, or had any number of
other things go wrong, you may be without parts. This isn't
to scare you from Matco, because we use their parts for many
other things too. But, at least now that there are 2 lining
makers for my brakes, I've got options. Then again, if
you bought a spare 2 or 3 sets of pads for Matco's brakes,
you may never end up needing to call them again, because
they'd wear so much slower.
Either way, it's nice that we have multiple options
for our wheels and brakes. It keeps us well supplied
for the long run. For those who love the new brakes,
great, and it's nice to remind new builders that they
have options. For those who would rather have the old
brakes, or don't want to pony up, I don't see this as
any big deal either. Myself, I am just happy to see that
lining prices are now down under $8 each, so I can
keep replacing them as needed and enjoy many more years
of service. If I were building a new RV-10 today, I'd
look at the cost difference and then decide which way to
go. There really isn't a "bad" choice, but there may be
a good and better. If the price is within a couple
or few hundred bucks, I'd just go for the best. If
not, it's time to start weighing the options. The most
important thing is to pick one and move on, because
agonizing over all the details is just going to cost you
weeks/months/years of time that you could be FLYING instead
of building. 
Tim
On 7/3/2014 12:53 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
| Quote: | I've had Clevelands on all my airplanes .... and never had any problem
in over 40 years. I can't see where twice the stopping power is a
benefit! Where do y'all need to jump on the brakes like that???
Linn
On 7/3/2014 11:57 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> Is the feeling that the Cleveland brakes are inadequate? Anyone have
> problems flat spotting tires with the upgraded Matco brakes? It would
> seem the Matco brake pads are more expensive than Rapco, and ties you
> to a single source for pads.
>
> It does appear that the cost is under $900, where I believe the
> Cleveland set was over $2000. Of course then there is the effort to
> sell the unused Cleveland set.
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Geoff Combs
> <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com <mailto:g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com>>
> wrote:
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> I was one of the first few people to install these brakes. I think
> Sean Strasburg was the first. They are far superior to
>
> The stock brakes. I have had them on for over a year and love them.
>
> Geoff
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> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com>] *On Behalf Of *DLM
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 03, 2014 9:34 AM
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list(at)matronics.com>
> *Subject:* brakes
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> You may want to check the Matco brakes for the RV10. Price
> competitive and about twice the stopping power.
>
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 10:44 am Post subject: brakes |
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I had to abort a takeoff in my RV10 and the Cleveland brakes faded to nothing. I used 5000' of runway. The Rv10 brakes work ok, otherwise.....
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On Jul 3, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Linn Walters <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com (flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com)> wrote:
[quote] I've had Clevelands on all my airplanes .... and never had any problem in over 40 years. I can't see where twice the stopping power is a benefit! Where do y'all need to jump on the brakes like that???
Linn
On 7/3/2014 11:57 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
| Quote: | Is the feeling that the Cleveland brakes are inadequate? Anyone have problems flat spotting tires with the upgraded Matco brakes? It would seem the Matco brake pads are more expensive than Rapco, and ties you to a single source for pads.
It does appear that the cost is under $900, where I believe the Cleveland set was over $2000. Of course then there is the effort to sell the unused Cleveland set.
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Geoff Combs <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com (g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com)> wrote:
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aerosport1
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Ask Sean Strasburg what might have happened to him if he did not have the Matco Brakes. The brakes are not a got to have item for
Everyone. There is nothing wrong with the stock brakes other than they could fade really bad when you really might need them. The
Matco pads are double the size of the stock pads so they will last way longer. They feel almost Identical to the stock brakes.
I agree that 90% of the time the stock brakes are fine. When driving your car in normal conditions you are not using much brake
Power. Would you drive your car with the possibility of severe fade? Some will some won’t. That’s why we are building our airplanes
And not buying certified we have options. As Tim said weigh your options There is no correct answer here.
Geoff Combs
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Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 1:54 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: brakes
I've had Clevelands on all my airplanes .... and never had any problem in over 40 years. I can't see where twice the stopping power is a benefit! Where do y'all need to jump on the brakes like that???
Linn
On 7/3/2014 11:57 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
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Is the feeling that the Cleveland brakes are inadequate? Anyone have problems flat spotting tires with the upgraded Matco brakes? It would seem the Matco brake pads are more expensive than Rapco, and ties you to a single source for pads.
It does appear that the cost is under $900, where I believe the Cleveland set was over $2000. Of course then there is the effort to sell the unused Cleveland set.
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Geoff Combs <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com (g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com)> wrote:
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Maybe you can just caulk it up to I am just not as good of a pilot......but
I have and do see the brake fade problem once or twice a year. Normally on
fast landing and trying to make a turn off. Most of my landings are at
airports 4500 MSL or higher and thus the ground speeds are faster. Spent
two weeks last summer flying in the low lands of Louisiana and Florida and
was impressed with my relatively short landings, etc.....then I can back
home and was back to normal.
40 knots and hard braking ........you will see brake fade......
I am to cheap to replace my wheels and brakes, but sooner or later I will,
maybe.
If I was building again, I would look for other options.
I love my RV-10......
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
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OK, I've never had to abort a takeoff that late so I'll put that in the + side. If I had known, maybe I would have sent the Clevelands back, saved some money and gone with the Matco. Lots of water under the bridge so I'll stick with what I've got. Tim pointed out that the cost/benefit of swapping out the Clevelands is pretty lousy and cost drives most of us ..... me included. I learned something .... way too late in the scheme of things ....
Linn .... riveting aft upper fuselage!!!!!!
On 7/3/2014 3:37 PM, Geoff Combs wrote:
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Ask Sean Strasburg what might have happened to him if he did not have the Matco Brakes. The brakes are not a got to have item for
Everyone. There is nothing wrong with the stock brakes other than they could fade really bad when you really might need them. The
Matco pads are double the size of the stock pads so they will last way longer. They feel almost Identical to the stock brakes.
I agree that 90% of the time the stock brakes are fine. When driving your car in normal conditions you are not using much brake
Power. Would you drive your car with the possibility of severe fade? Some will some won’t. That’s why we are building our airplanes
And not buying certified we have options. As Tim said weigh your options There is no correct answer here.
Geoff Combs
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Linn Walters
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 1:54 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: brakes
I've had Clevelands on all my airplanes .... and never had any problem in over 40 years. I can't see where twice the stopping power is a benefit! Where do y'all need to jump on the brakes like that???
Linn
On 7/3/2014 11:57 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
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Is the feeling that the Cleveland brakes are inadequate? Anyone have problems flat spotting tires with the upgraded Matco brakes? It would seem the Matco brake pads are more expensive than Rapco, and ties you to a single source for pads.
It does appear that the cost is under $900, where I believe the Cleveland set was over $2000. Of course then there is the effort to sell the unused Cleveland set.
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Geoff Combs <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com (g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com)> wrote:
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Ah, I see an issue here. I doubt that you're 'not as good a pilot'
.... I've always said an old, bol pilot is one that survives all
his/her mistakes! I think it all boils down to how many angels you have
sitting on your shoulders. I have a bunch!!!
Anyway, I'm a FL resident and have almost all my 2500+ hours landing
near sea level. I've made a coast-coast trip ..... and was amazed at
the length of runways out west!!! I learned (or relearned) two things
on that trip .... density altitude matters ..... and there's a reason
the charts aren't green out west!!!!
I don't use my brakes much, preferring to use drag for braking ..... and
most of the runways I use around here are 4000' long ..... but I still
only use 2/3 of that.
Linn
On 7/3/2014 3:49 PM, Rene Felker wrote:
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Maybe you can just caulk it up to I am just not as good of a pilot......but
I have and do see the brake fade problem once or twice a year. Normally on
fast landing and trying to make a turn off. Most of my landings are at
airports 4500 MSL or higher and thus the ground speeds are faster. Spent
two weeks last summer flying in the low lands of Louisiana and Florida and
was impressed with my relatively short landings, etc.....then I can back
home and was back to normal.
40 knots and hard braking ........you will see brake fade......
I am to cheap to replace my wheels and brakes, but sooner or later I will,
maybe.
If I was building again, I would look for other options.
I love my RV-10......
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
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Bob Turner
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I have never experienced any fade; but I do not think I've made any maximum effort stops at gross, nor have I aborted a takeoff. And the numbers say that if I started from 70 knots instead of 50 there would be twice as much heat to deal with. Maybe the Clevelands are right on the edge of fading in normal operation? I also wonder if the castoring nose wheel plays in here, for aborted takeoffs? E.g., at the start of a takeoff roll are the brakes already hot from a long taxi?
Question: has anyone compared the Rapco pads vs the Clevelands, for fast/maximum effort stops?
Tim, I believe current kits from Vans ship with Matco or Grove wheels, so an "upgrade(?)" to Clevelands will be more than a few hundred dollars.
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I believe, I was the first to install the Matco. My building partner and I determined the drilling locations for the calipers. Another pilot flies my aircraft; I told him that since there were four pads per side to go easy on the braking. On the other hand if we have to stop, DO IT and we will change the tires and tubes. I still have and extra set of used Clevelands; planned to sell them at Copperstate 2013 but was preoccupied. I use the Matco repadding surface. I have an extra set of shoes and just send in the old set for renewal and have another set ready to go in the hangar. I also like the wear indicator in the pad so inspection of wear is readily apparent. and no they do not fade. If a person has already installed and used the Clevelands or their clones, I would not necessarily go Matco but given a new build I would not question to go Matco. Also know that the caliper is and internal grip as opposed to the external grip of the Clevelands. Also the wheels are aluminum and weigh an extra pound or two but do not burn as a Class D fire.
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I see Vans also offers (supplies?) Grove wheels and brakes. They appear to use standard Cleveland pads (66-105 or 66-106?) and are in same price range as the Matco. I can't find a lot of detail on Grove's website to compare with the Matco.
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[quote] I believe, I was the first to install the Matco. My building partner and I determined the drilling locations for the calipers. Another pilot flies my aircraft; I told him that since there were four pads per side to go easy on the braking. On the other hand if we have to stop, DO IT and we will change the tires and tubes. I still have and extra set of used Clevelands; planned to sell them at Copperstate 2013 but was preoccupied. I use the Matco repadding surface. I have an extra set of shoes and just send in the old set for renewal and have another set ready to go in the hangar. I also like the wear indicator in the pad so inspection of wear is readily apparent. and no they do not fade. If a person has already installed and used the Clevelands or their clones, I would not necessarily go Matco but given a new build I would not question to go Matco. Also know that the caliper is and internal grip as opposed to the external grip of the Clevelands. Also the wheels are aluminum and weigh an extra pound or two but do not burn as a Class D fire.
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In the last couple of years we have seen three failures of the Cleveland calipers on RV-10s. Two of them were on the same plane and with in a couple days of each other. Sure, there's probably some relation to piloting technique or to a particular hard use of the brakes, but in my opinion, the caliper shouldn't fail. What appears to happen is that the caliper expands so much that fluid can get by the o-ring. And something seems to happen the causes them to the deform permanently and the fluid will slowly leak out after the event. The first caliper we saw this on had almost new brake pads. The second had brake pads with about 100 hours on them, but they were still within spec.
In the process of researching the brakes and searching for a fix, I found out the following, some of which has already been repeated in this thread. Vans switched from Cleveland to Grove in the kits, primarily because of pricing. They switched from the single puck Cleveland design to the single puck Grove design. We wanted more stopping power and no possibility of fading, so we looked at the Matco design. We also contacted Grove and they offered up a two puck caliper that they would recommend for the 10. In the end we went with the Matco design because they had the kit dialed in.
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On Jul 4, 2014, at 7:01 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
[quote]I see Vans also offers (supplies?) Grove wheels and brakes. They appear to use standard Cleveland pads (66-105 or 66-106?) and are in same price range as the Matco. I can't find a lot of detail on Grove's website to compare with the Matco.
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