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nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:18 pm Post subject: sundry questions

At 10:07 AM 7/9/2014, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  BTW, I've read your book.  Very nice for a first time builder.


	


    Thank you.



 	  Quote: 	
		  Hope you don't mind a few questions.


	


    Not at all . . . but I would like for you to join the AeroElectric-List

    for any future conversation. It's always a good thing when we share

    these conversations with the community.



 	  Quote: 	
		  I plan on going with fuses for the majority of the circuit 

protection as you recommended.  When I went to your web site to find 

fuse blocks and bus bars, I had a hard time navigating through the 

site.  Do you have an online product catalog, or is that something I 

have to buy?  When I clicked on the link the first time, an order 

form came up.  I tried again at a later time and finally made it to 

the fuse block section, but the pdf descriptions that came up was 

hardly readable.


	


    I don't sell any hardware at present. I have in the

    past but right now, B&C at http://bandc.biz has the

    vast majority of my legacy products and merchandise.

    I'm talking with them about upgrades to products and

    getting some new items. Time is my tight commodity.

    I'm contracting for Beech/Cessna/Hawker and there

    aren't very many gray-beards around to remember how

    and why some things were done . . . waayyyyy back when.

 	  Quote: 	
		  I'm a vfr only pilot and am considering surface mounting an I-pad 

mini on the dash as a backup.  It would run Foreflight and 

communicate with a Stratus Two.  I've heard the pads tend to 

overheat and was thinking about installing a cooling fan behind it 

in the panel.  Do you have any thoughts on this?  What type fan 

should I use to avoid RFI, etc?  How many cfm?  Do you have a 

simpler idea, or am I needlessly worrying about the overheating problem?


	


   Folks on the List can better sources of information

   on this than I. I'm surprised about 'heat issues' . . .

   these things draw about 3-5 watts in operation, the

   vast majority of which gets turned into heat. Unless

   there are items with localized heat-dissipation issues

   (doubtful for a hand-held device), I would not expect

   there to be any problems for operational heating.



   However, these things are not designed to RESIDE on a

   panel of an airplane parked out in the sun. I sure

   wouldn't leave one in a parked airplane.



 	  Quote: 	
		  The other thing I was looking for was 12v usb port I could hardwire 

near my panel (not a cigarette lighter adapter) so the pad would be 

charged while in flight.  Blue Sea makes usb ports for marine 

application that looks good, but didn't know if you had any.


	


   That's a popular topic on the List. A number of

   builders have tried various commercial off the self

   12v/USB power adapters with varying degrees of

   success.  Depending on how handy you are with

   a soldering iron, you could craft an airplane-

   friendly, 14V to 5VUSB adapter starting with

   a reasonably robust assembly as a core . . .

   something like these . . .



http://tinyurl.com/ovowqbu



http://tinyurl.com/px42t7f

   . . . mounted in a metal enclosure and fitted with

   sure-to-work filters and over-load protection.



   Alternatively, something like this . . .



http://tinyurl.com/pbvmbb3



   . . . might be just fine in terms of performance

   and noise . . . you'd just have to try it.



 	  Quote: 	
		  I also read your article on using shielded cable for the LIghtspeed 

electronic ignition instead of the coax.  The use of epoxy to seal 

the wiring seemed like a pain and was wondering if using a tighter 

fitting, larger shielded wire with shrink wrapping would be ok.  Are 

the reasons for not using larger cable expense, flexibility, and weight?


	


   Klaus had a cow when I wrote that article . . . seems

   that coax cable was necessary if the system were going

   to generate 2" long sparks between coil towers. Going

   to shielded wire dropped the output to 1.5" sparks.

   Still about 100x more than needed to make the engine run

   but I'll have to concede a 'drop in performance'.



   The original problem with coax was his recommendation

   for using RG-58 . . . with insulation that drips off

   the wire when you try to solder it. He has since revised

   his recommendation to RG-400 coax . . . modern, hi-temp

   insulation.

   Bob . . .

tim2542(at)sbcglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:42 pm Post subject: sundry questions

I think you'll be unhappy with a panel mounted Ipad, they will heat soak from the sun in a hurry and simply turn off. I use one however and love it, but I stow it out of the sun (and thieves) view when parked and just set it on my legs in flight.

FWIW

Tim 

 	  Quote: 	
		   On Jul 9, 2014, at 2:16 PM, "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com> wrote:

 At 10:07 AM 7/9/2014, you wrote:

> BTW, I've read your book.  Very nice for a first time builder.

   Thank you.

> Hope you don't mind a few questions.

   Not at all . . . but I would like for you to join the AeroElectric-List

   for any future conversation. It's always a good thing when we share

   these conversations with the community.

> I plan on going with fuses for the majority of the circuit protection as you recommended.  When I went to your web site to find fuse blocks and bus bars, I had a hard time navigating through the site.  Do you have an online product catalog, or is that something I have to buy?  When I clicked on the link the first time, an order form came up.  I tried again at a later time and finally made it to the fuse block section, but the pdf descriptions that came up was hardly readable.

   I don't sell any hardware at present. I have in the

   past but right now, B&C at http://bandc.biz has the

   vast majority of my legacy products and merchandise.

   I'm talking with them about upgrades to products and

   getting some new items. Time is my tight commodity.

   I'm contracting for Beech/Cessna/Hawker and there

   aren't very many gray-beards around to remember how

   and why some things were done . . . waayyyyy back when.

> I'm a vfr only pilot and am considering surface mounting an I-pad mini on the dash as a backup.  It would run Foreflight and communicate with a Stratus Two.  I've heard the pads tend to overheat and was thinking about installing a cooling fan behind it in the panel.  Do you have any thoughts on this?  What type fan should I use to avoid RFI, etc?  How many cfm?  Do you have a simpler idea, or am I needlessly worrying about the overheating problem?

  Folks on the List can better sources of information

  on this than I. I'm surprised about 'heat issues' . . .

  these things draw about 3-5 watts in operation, the

  vast majority of which gets turned into heat. Unless

  there are items with localized heat-dissipation issues

  (doubtful for a hand-held device), I would not expect

  there to be any problems for operational heating.

  However, these things are not designed to RESIDE on a

  panel of an airplane parked out in the sun. I sure

  wouldn't leave one in a parked airplane.

> The other thing I was looking for was 12v usb port I could hardwire near my panel (not a cigarette lighter adapter) so the pad would be charged while in flight.  Blue Sea makes usb ports for marine application that looks good, but didn't know if you had any.

  That's a popular topic on the List. A number of

  builders have tried various commercial off the self

  12v/USB power adapters with varying degrees of

  success.  Depending on how handy you are with

  a soldering iron, you could craft an airplane-

  friendly, 14V to 5VUSB adapter starting with

  a reasonably robust assembly as a core . . .

  something like these . . .

 http://tinyurl.com/ovowqbu

 http://tinyurl.com/px42t7f

  . . . mounted in a metal enclosure and fitted with

  sure-to-work filters and over-load protection.

  Alternatively, something like this . . .

 http://tinyurl.com/pbvmbb3

  . . . might be just fine in terms of performance

  and noise . . . you'd just have to try it.

> I also read your article on using shielded cable for the LIghtspeed electronic ignition instead of the coax.  The use of epoxy to seal the wiring seemed like a pain and was wondering if using a tighter fitting, larger shielded wire with shrink wrapping would be ok.  Are the reasons for not using larger cable expense, flexibility, and weight?

  Klaus had a cow when I wrote that article . . . seems

  that coax cable was necessary if the system were going

  to generate 2" long sparks between coil towers. Going

  to shielded wire dropped the output to 1.5" sparks.

  Still about 100x more than needed to make the engine run

  but I'll have to concede a 'drop in performance'.

  The original problem with coax was his recommendation

  for using RG-58 . . . with insulation that drips off

  the wire when you try to solder it. He has since revised

  his recommendation to RG-400 coax . . . modern, hi-temp

  insulation.

  Bob . . .

JOHN TIPTON

Joined: 17 Sep 2006
Posts: 239
Location: Torquay - England

Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:39 pm Post subject: sundry questions

This is my 4year old grandson, flying P2, with my IPad suction mounted on my C172



John



Sent from my iPad



     ----x--O--x----



 	  Quote: 	
		   On 9 Jul 2014, at 11:40 pm, Tim Andres <tim2542(at)sbcglobal.net> wrote:

 

 

 

 I think you'll be unhappy with a panel mounted Ipad, they will heat soak from the sun in a hurry and simply turn off. I use one however and love it, but I stow it out of the sun (and thieves) view when parked and just set it on my legs in flight.

 FWIW

 Tim 

 

> On Jul 9, 2014, at 2:16 PM, "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com> wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> At 10:07 AM 7/9/2014, you wrote:

>> BTW, I've read your book.  Very nice for a first time builder.

> 

>  Thank you.

> 

>> Hope you don't mind a few questions.

> 

>  Not at all . . . but I would like for you to join the AeroElectric-List

>  for any future conversation. It's always a good thing when we share

>  these conversations with the community.

> 

>> I plan on going with fuses for the majority of the circuit protection as you recommended.  When I went to your web site to find fuse blocks and bus bars, I had a hard time navigating through the site.  Do you have an online product catalog, or is that something I have to buy?  When I clicked on the link the first time, an order form came up.  I tried again at a later time and finally made it to the fuse block section, but the pdf descriptions that came up was hardly readable.

> 

>  I don't sell any hardware at present. I have in the

>  past but right now, B&C at http://bandc.biz has the

>  vast majority of my legacy products and merchandise.

>  I'm talking with them about upgrades to products and

>  getting some new items. Time is my tight commodity.

>  I'm contracting for Beech/Cessna/Hawker and there

>  aren't very many gray-beards around to remember how

>  and why some things were done . . . waayyyyy back when.

> 

> 

>> I'm a vfr only pilot and am considering surface mounting an I-pad mini on the dash as a backup.  It would run Foreflight and communicate with a Stratus Two.  I've heard the pads tend to overheat and was thinking about installing a cooling fan behind it in the panel.  Do you have any thoughts on this?  What type fan should I use to avoid RFI, etc?  How many cfm?  Do you have a simpler idea, or am I needlessly worrying about the overheating problem?

> 

> Folks on the List can better sources of information

> on this than I. I'm surprised about 'heat issues' . . .

> these things draw about 3-5 watts in operation, the

> vast majority of which gets turned into heat. Unless

> there are items with localized heat-dissipation issues

> (doubtful for a hand-held device), I would not expect

> there to be any problems for operational heating.

> 

> However, these things are not designed to RESIDE on a

> panel of an airplane parked out in the sun. I sure

> wouldn't leave one in a parked airplane.

> 

>> The other thing I was looking for was 12v usb port I could hardwire near my panel (not a cigarette lighter adapter) so the pad would be charged while in flight.  Blue Sea makes usb ports for marine application that looks good, but didn't know if you had any.

> 

> That's a popular topic on the List. A number of

> builders have tried various commercial off the self

> 12v/USB power adapters with varying degrees of

> success.  Depending on how handy you are with

> a soldering iron, you could craft an airplane-

> friendly, 14V to 5VUSB adapter starting with

> a reasonably robust assembly as a core . . .

> something like these . . .

> 

> http://tinyurl.com/ovowqbu

> 

> http://tinyurl.com/px42t7f

> 

> 

> . . . mounted in a metal enclosure and fitted with

> sure-to-work filters and over-load protection.

> 

> Alternatively, something like this . . .

> 

> http://tinyurl.com/pbvmbb3

> 

> . . . might be just fine in terms of performance

> and noise . . . you'd just have to try it.

> 

>> I also read your article on using shielded cable for the LIghtspeed electronic ignition instead of the coax.  The use of epoxy to seal the wiring seemed like a pain and was wondering if using a tighter fitting, larger shielded wire with shrink wrapping would be ok.  Are the reasons for not using larger cable expense, flexibility, and weight?

> 

> Klaus had a cow when I wrote that article . . . seems

> that coax cable was necessary if the system were going

> to generate 2" long sparks between coil towers. Going

> to shielded wire dropped the output to 1.5" sparks.

> Still about 100x more than needed to make the engine run

> but I'll have to concede a 'drop in performance'.

> 

> The original problem with coax was his recommendation

> for using RG-58 . . . with insulation that drips off

> the wire when you try to solder it. He has since revised

> his recommendation to RG-400 coax . . . modern, hi-temp

> insulation.

> 

> 

> Bob . . .  

 

 

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BobsV35B(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:00 pm Post subject: sundry questions

Test!

  

 Old Bob

  

  In a message dated 7/9/2014 4:19:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  -->    AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"    <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com>



At 10:07 AM 7/9/2014, you    wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  BTW, I've read your book.  Very nice for a first time    builder.


	


    Thank you.



 	  Quote: 	
		  Hope you don't mind a few    questions.


	


    Not at all . . . but I would like for you to    join the AeroElectric-List

    for any future conversation. It's    always a good thing when we share

    these conversations with    the community.



 	  Quote: 	
		  I plan on going with fuses for the majority of the    circuit 

protection as you recommended.  When I went to your web    site to find 

fuse blocks and bus bars, I had a hard time navigating    through the 

site.  Do you have an online product catalog, or is    that something I 

have to buy?  When I clicked on the link the    first time, an order 

form came up.  I tried again at a later time    and finally made it to 

the fuse block section, but the pdf    descriptions that came up was 

hardly readable.


	


    I    don't sell any hardware at present. I have in the

    past but    right now, B&C at http://bandc.biz has the

    vast majority    of my legacy products and merchandise.

    I'm talking with them    about upgrades to products and

    getting some new items. Time    is my tight commodity.

    I'm contracting for    Beech/Cessna/Hawker and there

    aren't very many gray-beards    around to remember how

    and why some things were done . . .    waayyyyy back when.

 	  Quote: 	
		  I'm a vfr only pilot and am considering    surface mounting an I-pad 

mini on the dash as a backup.  It would    run Foreflight and 

communicate with a Stratus Two.  I've heard    the pads tend to 

overheat and was thinking about installing a cooling    fan behind it 

in the panel.  Do you have any thoughts on    this?  What type fan 

should I use to avoid RFI, etc?  How    many cfm?  Do you have a 

simpler idea, or am I needlessly    worrying about the overheating problem?


	


   Folks on the List    can better sources of information

   on this than I. I'm    surprised about 'heat issues' . . .

   these things draw about    3-5 watts in operation, the

   vast majority of which gets turned    into heat. Unless

   there are items with localized    heat-dissipation issues

   (doubtful for a hand-held device), I    would not expect

   there to be any problems for operational    heating.



   However, these things are not designed to RESIDE    on a

   panel of an airplane parked out in the sun. I    sure

   wouldn't leave one in a parked airplane.



 	  Quote: 	
		  The    other thing I was looking for was 12v usb port I could hardwire 

near    my panel (not a cigarette lighter adapter) so the pad would be 

charged    while in flight.  Blue Sea makes usb ports for marine 

application    that looks good, but didn't know if you had any.


	


   That's a    popular topic on the List. A number of

   builders have tried    various commercial off the self

   12v/USB power adapters with    varying degrees of

   success.  Depending on how handy you    are with

   a soldering iron, you could craft an    airplane-

   friendly, 14V to 5VUSB adapter starting    with

   a reasonably robust assembly as a core . .    .

   something like these . .    .



http://tinyurl.com/ovowqbu



http://tinyurl.com/px42t7f

      . . . mounted in a metal enclosure and fitted with

      sure-to-work filters and over-load protection.



      Alternatively, something like this . .    .



http://tinyurl.com/pbvmbb3



   . . . might be just    fine in terms of performance

   and noise . . . you'd just have    to try it.



 	  Quote: 	
		  I also read your article on using shielded cable for the    LIghtspeed 

electronic ignition instead of the coax.  The use of    epoxy to seal 

the wiring seemed like a pain and was wondering if using    a tighter 

fitting, larger shielded wire with shrink wrapping would be    ok.  Are 

the reasons for not using larger cable expense,    flexibility, and weight?


	


   Klaus had a cow when I wrote that    article . . . seems

   that coax cable was necessary if the    system were going

   to generate 2" long sparks between coil    towers. Going

   to shielded wire dropped the output to 1.5"    sparks.

   Still about 100x more than needed to make the engine    run

   but I'll have to concede a 'drop in    performance'.



   The original problem with coax was his    recommendation

   for using RG-58 . . . with insulation that    drips off

   the wire when you try to solder it. He has since    revised

   his recommendation to RG-400 coax . . . modern,    hi-temp

   insulation.

   Bob . . .   = Use  ilities  ay                 - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS               - List Contribution Web Site  p;                             



	


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shaunwilkinson(at)cloud9a
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:18 am Post subject: sundry questions

Excellent Photo



On 10 Jul 2014, at 00:38, John Tipton <jmtipton(at)btopenworld.com (jmtipton(at)btopenworld.com)> wrote:



[quote]<image.jpeg>



This is my 4year old grandson, flying P2, with my IPad suction mounted on my C172



John



Sent from my iPad



    ----x--O--x----



 	  Quote: 	
		  On 9 Jul 2014, at 11:40 pm, Tim Andres <tim2542(at)sbcglobal.net (tim2542(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:



--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Tim Andres <tim2542(at)sbcglobal.net (tim2542(at)sbcglobal.net)>



I think you'll be unhappy with a panel mounted Ipad, they will heat soak from the sun in a hurry and simply turn off. I use one however and love it, but I stow it out of the sun (and thieves) view when parked and just set it on my legs in flight.

FWIW

Tim 



 	  Quote: 	
		  On Jul 9, 2014, at 2:16 PM, "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)> wrote:



--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)>



At 10:07 AM 7/9/2014, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  BTW, I've read your book.  Very nice for a first time builder.

	


Thank you.



 	  Quote: 	
		  Hope you don't mind a few questions.

	


Not at all . . . but I would like for you to join the AeroElectric-List

for any future conversation. It's always a good thing when we share

these conversations with the community.



 	  Quote: 	
		  I plan on going with fuses for the majority of the circuit protection as you recommended.  When I went to your web site to find fuse blocks and bus bars, I had a hard time navigating through the site.  Do you have an online product catalog, or is that something I have to buy?  When I clicked on the link the first time, an order form came up.  I tried again at a later time and finally made it to the fuse block section, but the pdf descriptions that came up was hardly readable.

	


I don't sell any hardware at present. I have in the

past but right now, B&C at http://bandc.biz has the

vast majority of my legacy products and merchandise.

I'm talking with them about upgrades to products and

getting some new items. Time is my tight commodity.

I'm contracting for Beech/Cessna/Hawker and there

aren't very many gray-beards around to remember how

and why some things were done . . . waayyyyy back when.

 	  Quote: 	
		  I'm a vfr only pilot and am considering surface mounting an I-pad mini on the dash as a backup.  It would run Foreflight and communicate with a Stratus Two.  I've heard the pads tend to overheat and was thinking about installing a cooling fan behind it in the panel.  Do you have any thoughts on this?  What type fan should I use to avoid RFI, etc?  How many cfm?  Do you have a simpler idea, or am I needlessly worrying about the overheating problem?

	


Folks on the List can better sources of information

on this than I. I'm surprised about 'heat issues' . . .

these things draw about 3-5 watts in operation, the

vast majority of which gets turned into heat. Unless

there are items with localized heat-dissipation issues

(doubtful for a hand-held device), I would not expect

there to be any problems for operational heating.



However, these things are not designed to RESIDE on a

panel of an airplane parked out in the sun. I sure

wouldn't leave one in a parked airplane.



 	  Quote: 	
		  The other thing I was looking for was 12v usb port I could hardwire near my panel (not a cigarette lighter adapter) so the pad would be charged while in flight.  Blue Sea makes usb ports for marine application that looks good, but didn't know if you had any.

	


That's a popular topic on the List. A number of

builders have tried various commercial off the self

12v/USB power adapters with varying degrees of

success.  Depending on how handy you are with

a soldering iron, you could craft an airplane-

friendly, 14V to 5VUSB adapter starting with

a reasonably robust assembly as a core . . .

something like these . . .



http://tinyurl.com/ovowqbu



http://tinyurl.com/px42t7f

. . . mounted in a metal enclosure and fitted with

sure-to-work filters and over-load protection.



Alternatively, something like this . . .



http://tinyurl.com/pbvmbb3



. . . might be just fine in terms of performance

and noise . . . you'd just have to try it.



 	  Quote: 	
		  I also read your article on using shielded cable for the LIghtspeed electronic ignition instead of the coax.  The use of epoxy to seal the wiring seemed like a pain and was wondering if using a tighter fitting, larger shielded wire with shrink wrapping would be ok.  Are the reasons for not using larger cable expense, flexibility, and weight?

	


Klaus had a cow when I wrote that article . . . seems

that coax cable was necessary if the system were going

to generate 2" long sparks between coil towers. Going

to shielded wire dropped the output to 1.5" sparks.

Still about 100x more than needed to make the engine run

but I'll have to concede a 'drop in performance'.



The original problem with coax was his recommendation

for using RG-58 . . . with insulation that drips off

the wire when you try to solder it. He has since revised

his recommendation to RG-400 coax . . . modern, hi-temp

insulation.

Bob . . .  

	




	
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:34 am Post subject: sundry questions

On 7/9/2014 5:16 PM, Robert L.       Nuckolls, III wrote:

     

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		  I'm a vfr only pilot and am considering         surface mounting an I-pad mini on the dash as a backup.  It         would run Foreflight and communicate with a Stratus Two.  I've         heard the pads tend to overheat and was thinking about         installing a cooling fan behind it in the panel.  Do you have         any thoughts on this?  What type fan should I use to avoid RFI,         etc?  How many cfm?  Do you have a simpler idea, or am I         needlessly worrying about the overheating problem?         

       	
       

     	
     As others have and will point out, you won't really want to 'hard     mount' your iPad but rather install it so it can removed and     replaced as you enter and exit the plane.  Left in a closed cockpit     in the sun they will overheat.  Practically speaking, I think you'll     find that you'll want to keep the iPad with you for Foreflight     flight planning, weather checking and general usage.   

     

     Many possible solutions.  I used a RAM mount which let's you slip     the iPad in and out with just a bit of finger pressure.  Having RAM     mount on a center console lets me have the iPad right over my lap -     ideal for me.

     Kitlog       - O2 Console for RV10

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		  The other thing I was looking for was 12v         usb port I could hardwire near my panel (not a cigarette lighter         adapter) so the pad would be charged while in flight.  Blue Sea         makes usb ports for marine application that looks good, but         didn't know if you had any.         

       	
       

     	
     You might try experimental avionics supplier/builder Steinair.  They     have a USB unit that mounts to the panel quite nicely and it works.     

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deej(at)deej.net
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:59 am Post subject: sundry questions

On 07/09/2014 06:40 PM, Tim Andres wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   I think you'll be unhappy with a panel mounted Ipad, they will heat soak from the sun in a hurry and simply turn off. I use one however and love it, but I stow it out of the sun (and thieves) view when parked and just set it on my legs in flight.

 FWIW

 Tim 


	




FWIW, I am very happy with my panel mounted iPad2, and have never had

any heat issues with it.  I use a RAM mount so that I can easily remove

it and take it with me when not using the airplane.



Here are some old pics before my panel upgrade:



http://deej.net/glastar/pics/ipad/



The new panel is still under construction, but here is a recent picture:



http://deej.net/glastar/pics/panel/install/photob-3181.jpg



The iPad will be mounted vertically (rather than horizontally as it was

in the previous pictures) and will be running WingX for moving map and

IFR charts.



You could easily mount a simple paper shade behind/above the iPad if you

needed to keep the sun off the backside.



-Dj

-- 

Dj Merrill - N1JOV - VP EAA Chapter 87

Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/

Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/

tim2542(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:22 am Post subject: sundry questions

I agree a ram mount would be fine, but mounted on the panel so you can't move it to adjust for glare or direct sun was what I thought he had in mind. Also, if you leave one in the sun with or even without the canopy closed,  both of mine will overheat and shut down. iPhone also for that matter. 

Your mileage may vary!

Tim

 	  Quote: 	
		   On Jul 10, 2014, at 7:58 AM, Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net> wrote:

> On 07/09/2014 06:40 PM, Tim Andres wrote:

> I think you'll be unhappy with a panel mounted Ipad, they will heat soak from the sun in a hurry and simply turn off. I use one however and love it, but I stow it out of the sun (and thieves) view when parked and just set it on my legs in flight.

> FWIW

> Tim

 FWIW, I am very happy with my panel mounted iPad2, and have never had

 any heat issues with it.  I use a RAM mount so that I can easily remove

 it and take it with me when not using the airplane.

 Here are some old pics before my panel upgrade:

 http://deej.net/glastar/pics/ipad/

 The new panel is still under construction, but here is a recent picture:

 http://deej.net/glastar/pics/panel/install/photob-3181.jpg

 The iPad will be mounted vertically (rather than horizontally as it was

 in the previous pictures) and will be running WingX for moving map and

 IFR charts.

 You could easily mount a simple paper shade behind/above the iPad if you

 needed to keep the sun off the backside.

 -Dj

 -- 

 Dj Merrill - N1JOV - VP EAA Chapter 87

 Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/

 Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/

bbradburry(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:34 pm Post subject: sundry questions

DJ,



You need 10 lbs of ballast in the baggage to fly solo????!  Where is your

battery mounted?



Bill 



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deej(at)deej.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:19 pm Post subject: sundry questions

On 7/10/2014 7:33 PM, Bill Bradburry wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   You need 10 lbs of ballast in the baggage to fly solo????!  Where is your

 battery mounted?




	


Hi Bill,

     No, I do not.  My guess is the original builder didn't weigh the 

plane properly, because when I used a set of calibrated scales to do it, 

my results were somewhat different.  No ballast needed other than my 

butt in the front seat.  



     Those are old pics taken shortly after I bought the plane a few 

years ago, and that label hasn't been in the plane for a long time. Nice 

catch though!  



-Dj



-- 

Dj Merrill - N1JOV - VP EAA Chapter 87

Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/

Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/

Larry Ford

Joined: 06 Mar 2010
Posts: 5
Location: United States

Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 9:18 pm Post subject: sundry questions

Folks on the List can better sources of information  

       on this than I. I'm surprised about 'heat issues' . . .  

     these things draw about 3-5 watts in operation, the  

       vast majority of which gets turned into heat. Unless  

       there are items with localized heat-dissipation issues  

     (doubtful for a hand-held device), I would not expect  

           there to be any problems for operational heating.  

My experience with the Ipad is similar to Tim Andres’. I set it in my lap (out of its case) and unless I have  

a fresh air vent directly blowing on the device it will shut down with an over temp announcement within 30 minutes of  

operation. My IT friend believes the Blue Tooth communication with the Stratus ADS-B receiver creates a larger drain   

than the Ipad would normally produce. I fly with another older handheld moving map as backup. The Foreflght + Stratus has   

tremendous capability when it’s working but I don’t trust it as a sole nav source. Reliability needs improvement.  

Larry Ford  

Glasair I RG N149LF  

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