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zipper

Joined: 17 Jul 2013
Posts: 14

Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:26 am Post subject: Lightning Jet empty weight

I am doing a survey and would like to know what others have as empty weight for their Lightnings. I would like to have actual 'as weighed' numbers as opposed to what the factory has put out. Please check your weight and balance  papers and respond to this forum. My plane, that is very sparsely equipped, comes in at 40 lbs heavier than the factory advertisements. Either my scales (electronic) are way off or ???? Thanks to all.



George Andre

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dwwilt

Joined: 06 Dec 2010
Posts: 192

Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:37 am Post subject: Lightning Jet empty weight

George,

   

  My plane came in at 886 lbs.

   

   

    Regards,

   

  Dennis W. Wilt, Aviation Consultant

  Communications, Navigation, and Surveillance Subject Matter Expert

  Program and Project Management

  757-784-8113

  N616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)

 

 

   

   

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Dennis

vettin74(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:09 am Post subject: Lightning Jet empty weight

George, 

What's your empty weight? And did you re weigh after the chute came out? 

Nick



Sent from my iPhone



On Jul 19, 2014, at 11:26 AM, George Andre <glandre(at)sbcglobal.net (glandre(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:

[quote]I am doing a survey and would like to know what others have as empty weight for their Lightnings. I would like to have actual 'as weighed' numbers as opposed to what the factory has put out. Please check your weight and balance  papers and respond to this forum. My plane, that is very sparsely equipped, comes in at 40 lbs heavier than the factory advertisements. Either my scales (electronic) are way off or ???? Thanks to all.



George Andre

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geather

Joined: 06 Feb 2008
Posts: 23
Location: Mt Hutton Australia

Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 2:08 pm Post subject: Lightning Jet empty weight

400 Kg (882 lbs).  Kit 127



Geoff Eather (Aust)





On 20 Jul 2014, at 2:26 am, George Andre <glandre(at)sbcglobal.net (glandre(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:

[quote]I am doing a survey and would like to know what others have as empty weight for their Lightnings. I would like to have actual 'as weighed' numbers as opposed to what the factory has put out. Please check your weight and balance  papers and respond to this forum. My plane, that is very sparsely equipped, comes in at 40 lbs heavier than the factory advertisements. Either my scales (electronic) are way off or ???? Thanks to all.



George Andre

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ge

voroninmax(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 2:32 pm Post subject: Lightning Jet empty weight

The one I built ended up around 820 lbs if I remember right

Epoxy primer and paint, no clear coat

S/n 93



Sent from my iPhone



On Jul 19, 2014, at 6:07 PM, geather <geather(at)bigpond.net.au (geather(at)bigpond.net.au)> wrote:

[quote]400 Kg (882 lbs).  Kit 127



Geoff Eather (Aust)





On 20 Jul 2014, at 2:26 am, George Andre <glandre(at)sbcglobal.net (glandre(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  I am doing a survey and would like to know what others have as empty weight for their Lightnings. I would like to have actual 'as weighed' numbers as opposed to what the factory has put out. Please check your weight and balance  papers and respond to this forum. My plane, that is very sparsely equipped, comes in at 40 lbs heavier than the factory advertisements. Either my scales (electronic) are way off or ???? Thanks to all.



George Andre

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lbmathias1(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:27 pm Post subject: Lightning Jet empty weight

George,

    My Lightning's empty wt is 883 lbs and has a fully IFR panel with glass cockpit.

Linda Mathias



Sent from my iPhone



On Jul 19, 2014, at 12:26 PM, George Andre <glandre(at)sbcglobal.net (glandre(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:

[quote]I am doing a survey and would like to know what others have as empty weight for their Lightnings. I would like to have actual 'as weighed' numbers as opposed to what the factory has put out. Please check your weight and balance  papers and respond to this forum. My plane, that is very sparsely equipped, comes in at 40 lbs heavier than the factory advertisements. Either my scales (electronic) are way off or ???? Thanks to all.



George Andre

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vettin74(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:55 pm Post subject: Lightning Jet empty weight

Our first demo 323AL was 830lbs, single EFIS no AP wood prop ect. N324AL was 850 with dual EFIS, AP, long wings ect. Generally around 820lbs very basic, to 900 loaded with everything. Our scales are digital racing scales and we weigh the planes in full dress with oil and no fuel. Have posted several PICs on FB of them on scales. The heaviest yet was the XS with the lycoming O320 and it was 1013 lbs. 

The planes with the EAB gear are lighter, the wide track gear weighs 13lbs more, Carbon props are about 5lbs heavier than wood. The interiors from B&B Are extremely nice but are heavy as well. steps weigh 3lbs a side. 

Over the years from the early SN to newer ones the airframes lost weight. The fuselages used to weigh around 115lbs now they are about 105lbs, wing panels were about 90lbs and now around 75lbs. Same win small parts ect. We have changed cores resins and layup schedules to produce lighter parts while retaining strength.

It seems the biggest weight gain is the advancement in avionics and all the stuff you can stick in a plane.



Nick



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On Jul 19, 2014, at 7:24 PM, Linda Mathias <lbmathias1(at)gmail.com (lbmathias1(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote]George,

    My Lightning's empty wt is 883 lbs and has a fully IFR panel with glass cockpit.

Linda Mathias



Sent from my iPhone



On Jul 19, 2014, at 12:26 PM, George Andre <glandre(at)sbcglobal.net (glandre(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  I am doing a survey and would like to know what others have as empty weight for their Lightnings. I would like to have actual 'as weighed' numbers as opposed to what the factory has put out. Please check your weight and balance  papers and respond to this forum. My plane, that is very sparsely equipped, comes in at 40 lbs heavier than the factory advertisements. Either my scales (electronic) are way off or ???? Thanks to all.



George Andre

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ritchie(at)wave.co.nz
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:57 pm Post subject: Lightning Jet empty weight

My lightning's empty weight is 894 lbs. The dual Grand Rapids and Auto 

pilot add that little extra weight.

regards,

Ron Ritchie



On 20/07/2014 04:26, George Andre wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   I am doing a survey and would like to know what others have as empty

 weight for their Lightnings. I would like to have actual 'as weighed'

 numbers as opposed to what the factory has put out. Please check your

 weight and balance papers and respond to this forum. My plane, that 

 is

 very sparsely equipped, comes in at 40 lbs heavier than the factory

 advertisements. Either my scales (electronic) are way off or ????

 Thanks to all.



 George Andre





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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 4:19 pm Post subject: Lightning Jet empty weight

George

My factory built lightning when checked at Gregg Hobbs place weighed slightly more than 900 Lbs. dry empty weight.  That was with the MK 2 tail feathers and fairings.  I would give you an exact weight but the data is at the hanger and some distance away from my home.  

Gary Barnett N335AL  ELSA sn 133

 

Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 09:26:20 -0700

From: glandre(at)sbcglobal.net

Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Jet empty weight

To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com



I am doing a survey and would like to know what others have as empty weight for their Lightnings. I would like to have actual 'as weighed' numbers as opposed to what the factory has put out. Please check your weight and balance  papers and respond to this forum. My plane, that is very sparsely equipped, comes in at 40 lbs heavier than the factory advertisements. Either my scales (electronic) are way off or ???? Thanks to all.



George Andre

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NowackLinden(at)gmx.de
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:16 am Post subject: Lightning Jet empty weight

Hi,



My D-ELIY was propably the Heavyweight Champion!

The precision scales provided by my Examiner showed 410kg / 903lbs empty 

incl. unusable fuel. Apparently the result of a very generous car 

painter`s paintjob. White, then design, then clear coat.



D-EGFL will be somewhat better, although not lighter, of course, due to 

the increased weight of ULP.390 engine and steel gear legs. But a friend 

has spent hours of hard work to sand off  about 40lbs of Gelcoat, and 

the painter was reminded to keep the paint thin.

If I can keep it under 425kg /935lbs empty  I`m happy.  MTOW will be 

700kg/ 1540lbs.



Gerd



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       1. 06:36 AM - Re: Lightning-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 07/19/14  (George Andre)

       2. 06:36 AM - Re: Lightning-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 07/19/14  (George Andre)

       3. 05:19 PM - Re: Lightning Jet empty weight  (GARY BARNETT)

   

   

   

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 Time: 06:36:45 AM PST US

 From: George Andre <glandre(at)sbcglobal.net>

 Subject: Re: Lightning-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 07/19/14

 Thanks to all who responded.

 My EAB jet empty weight is 895 which was strangely high because my friend with

 a factory LS-1 has empty wt of 840 and has considerably more equipment (avionics

 and autopilot) than mine. This 895 number is the same as original wt of plane

 when equipped with a BRS chute.

 I weighed with zero fuel on fancy electronic racing scales. Nick- this after chute

 removed. My new LSA wing tips are heavier and we put on the steps, B&B interior

 (lighter than what was in place) plus grnd adjust prop, but I have minimum

 avionics, and wide track gear.

 I'm happy to see others are in the same ballpark.

 Thanks again....George Andr...jet kit #11



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>      1. 09:26 AM - Lightning Jet empty weight  (George Andre)

>      2. 09:37 AM - Re: Lightning Jet empty weight  (Dennis W. Wilt)

>      3. 10:09 AM - Re: Lightning Jet empty weight  (Nick Otterback)

>      4. 03:08 PM - Re: Lightning Jet empty weight  (geather)

>      5. 03:32 PM - Re: Lightning Jet empty weight  (Max Voronin)

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> ________________________________  Message 1  _____________________________________

> Time: 09:26:55 AM PST US

> From: George Andre <glandre(at)sbcglobal.net>

> Subject: Lightning Jet empty weight

>

> I am doing a survey and would like to know what others have as empty weight

> for their Lightnings. I would like to have actual 'as weighed' numbers as

> opposed to what the factory has put out. Please check your weight and balan

> ce papers and respond to this forum. My plane, that is very sparsely equipp

> ed,-comes in at 40 lbs heavier than the factory advertisements. Either my

> scales (electronic) are way off or ???? Thanks to all.=0A=0AGeorge Andre

>

> ________________________________  Message 2  _____________________________________

> Time: 09:37:19 AM PST US

> Subject: Re: Lightning Jet empty weight

> From: "Dennis W. Wilt" <dwwilt(at)AOL.COM>

> George,

>

> My plane came in at 886 lbs.

> Regards,

>

> Dennis W. Wilt, Aviation Consultant

> Communications, Navigation, and Surveillance Subject Matter Expert

> Program and Project Management

> 757-784-8113

> N616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)

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wayne42patterson(at)gmail
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:27 pm Post subject: Lightning Jet empty weight

Hi George

 

My kit is #65 and weighed in at 834lb (378kg) complete with engine oil and unusable fuel (I put some fuel in each tank then pumped them dry using the electric boost pump – carbi pipe leading to a bucket).  It has the “speed kit”, good epoxy paint, leather seats and a Dynon 10” Skyview.  For weight saving I did a LOT of surface smoothing and sanding before painting, sanded most of the primer off before the top coat, used very light weight cockpit & baggage area lining, and replaced all steel packing washers (spar box etc) with alloy blocks.  I had to weigh mine 3 times using calibrated scales – rotating each scale under each wheel – to be confident of the weight.  We have another Lightning at our club which is finished very much mike mine and it is 6kg lighter.

 

Hope that helps!

 

Wayne Patterson

 

From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Andre

Sent: Sunday, 20 July 2014 12:26 AM

To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Lightning Jet empty weight

 

I am doing a survey and would like to know what others have as empty weight for their Lightnings. I would like to have actual 'as weighed' numbers as opposed to what the factory has put out. Please check your weight and balance papers and respond to this forum. My plane, that is very sparsely equipped, comes in at 40 lbs heavier than the factory advertisements. Either my scales (electronic) are way off or ???? Thanks to all.



George Andre



 



 





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