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bob88
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 Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 11:43 am Post subject: Engine installation sequencing |
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I'm at the point of engine installation but have not yet riveted the upper forward fuselage. I had hoped to leave this until after I get avionics installed 'on the bench' instead of spending a lot of time on my back in the cockpit. The question is whether the engine installation can be completed with the upper forward fuselage off, or just clecoed in place.
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carl.froehlich(at)verizon
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:02 pm Post subject: Engine installation sequencing |
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Or better option, design your panel to come out of the plane as an assembly.
At some point or another panel work will come your way, either a fix or the amazingly frequent modifications that you will want to do. For the annual my first step is to remove the panel for better access. Start to finish this only takes 10 minutes or so.
WRT engine mount I'm not sure if the upper forward fuselage makes a difference or not. I had the fuselage 100% done before engine mount - including interior paint.
Carl
190 hours and already on the second panel design.
| Quote: | On Aug 21, 2014, at 3:43 PM, "bob88" <marty.crooks(at)comcast.net> wrote:
I'm at the point of engine installation but have not yet riveted the upper forward fuselage. I had hoped to leave this until after I get avionics installed 'on the bench' instead of spending a lot of time on my back in the cockpit. The question is whether the engine installation can be completed with the upper forward fuselage off, or just clecoed in place.
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bwestfall
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:41 pm Post subject: Engine installation sequencing |
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Lots of people, me included, leave the upper fwd fuse removeable and proceed
to hang the engine. It makes some of the rivets a bit interesting to buck
around where the motor mount attaches to the firewall. I'm now wiring up my
panel on the bench and my motor is secured to the plane.
-Ben
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rleffler
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:39 pm Post subject: Engine installation sequencing |
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I riveted the upper fuselage assembly well after the engine was mounted and the cabin cover was attached. It comes off pretty easily even with the cabin cover bolted in place. I had it cleco'd in place to do the cowl.
It makes life much easier!
Bob
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[quote] On Aug 21, 2014, at 4:40 PM, "Ben Westfall" <rv10(at)sinkrate.com> wrote:
Lots of people, me included, leave the upper fwd fuse removeable and proceed
to hang the engine. It makes some of the rivets a bit interesting to buck
around where the motor mount attaches to the firewall. I'm now wiring up my
panel on the bench and my motor is secured to the plane.
-Ben
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flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 2:15 pm Post subject: Engine installation sequencing |
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I did all the wiring and engine installation before riveting on the fwd
upper fuse, bolting down the cabin top, and riveting the aft upper panel.
I'm now working on the windows and windshield.
My panel is designed to be removable and the engine controls panel is
mounted to a fiberglass 'console' that's bolted to the tunnel. I did not
attach the engine control cables to the subpanel bracket .... in fact, I
removed the bracket. Seems like I can't resist doing things contrary to
the plans. 
Linn
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I'm at the point of engine installation but have not yet riveted the upper forward fuselage. I had hoped to leave this until after I get avionics installed 'on the bench' instead of spending a lot of time on my back in the cockpit. The question is whether the engine installation can be completed with the upper forward fuselage off, or just clecoed in place.
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trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:18 am Post subject: Engine installation sequencing |
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Bob
Please explain how you made possible for your upper fuselage assembly to
come off even with the cabin cover bolted in place.
Please include pictures.
Regards
Carlos
-----Mensagem original-----
De: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] Em nome de Bob Leffler
Enviada: 21 de agosto de 2014 22:39
Para: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Assunto: Re: Engine installation sequencing
I riveted the upper fuselage assembly well after the engine was mounted and
the cabin cover was attached. It comes off pretty easily even with the
cabin cover bolted in place. I had it cleco'd in place to do the cowl.
It makes life much easier!
Bob
Sent from my iPad
| Quote: | On Aug 21, 2014, at 4:40 PM, "Ben Westfall" <rv10(at)sinkrate.com> wrote:
Lots of people, me included, leave the upper fwd fuse removeable and
proceed to hang the engine. It makes some of the rivets a bit
interesting to buck around where the motor mount attaches to the
firewall. I'm now wiring up my panel on the bench and my motor is secured
to the plane.
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-Ben
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rleffler
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 4:35 am Post subject: Engine installation sequencing |
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I didn't have to do anything except not to rivet it in place. It comes off very easily. You can see many photos on my build log. Mykitlog.com/rleffler
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On Aug 22, 2014, at 6:28 AM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
Bob
Please explain how you made possible for your upper fuselage assembly to
come off even with the cabin cover bolted in place.
Please include pictures.
Regards
Carlos
-----Mensagem original-----
De: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] Em nome de Bob Leffler
Enviada: 21 de agosto de 2014 22:39
Para: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Assunto: Re: Engine installation sequencing
I riveted the upper fuselage assembly well after the engine was mounted and
the cabin cover was attached. It comes off pretty easily even with the
cabin cover bolted in place. I had it cleco'd in place to do the cowl.
It makes life much easier!
Bob
Sent from my iPad
| Quote: | On Aug 21, 2014, at 4:40 PM, "Ben Westfall" <rv10(at)sinkrate.com> wrote:
Lots of people, me included, leave the upper fwd fuse removeable and
proceed to hang the engine. It makes some of the rivets a bit
interesting to buck around where the motor mount attaches to the
firewall. I'm now wiring up my panel on the bench and my motor is secured
to the plane.
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-Ben
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woxofswa
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: Engine installation sequencing |
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I built per the plans. There are going to be tradeoffs no matter what one does, but having the assembly riveted in place forces you to plan your wiring and subpanel placements in an access friendly manner.
The ONLY time I've really been on my back and cussing was when I had to remove my parking brake valve.
Otherwise, it takes me three minutes to remove an EFIS screen and have access to my sub panel and wiring and if that isn't enough, it takes me 6 minutes to remove the entire side of my instrument panel and have access to basically everything on that side. Having an Instrument panel that is one solid assembly across the cockpit looks cool, but having it segmented into removable sections is sure nice for assembly, inspection, and maintenance.
re.
One thing a thought really hard about doing was removable eyebrow panels on the outside in front of the windscreen like Socata does. In the end, I'm glad I didn't because it hasn't really proven necessary.
The relationship between builders and Van's is a lot like teenagers and parents. At first you think they are pretty smart, then you dig in and think you might be a little smarter than they are on occasion, then finally with age and experience, you realize that they were actually smarter than you ever thought they were. They aren't perfect as the nosewheel axle and footstep attest, but even God made mosquitos and Dallas Cowboy fans.
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