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tonyvaccarella

Joined: 10 Sep 2014
Posts: 68
Location: Australia

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:44 am Post subject: Identification of parts

Hi everyone,



While staking stock of all the parts, bit and pieces that arrived with my partially built Europa - which I only learned today has Classic Wings and XS body, I came across these. Does anyone know what they are?



Your help is appreciated.



Regards,

Tony Vaccarella

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Tony Vaccarella
Mascot NSW 2020
Sydney Australia

stabelvej9(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:56 am Post subject: Identification of parts

Hi Tony

Did you forget to enclose a Photo?Â Â  

Regards Gert

OY-GDS / Mono / 914

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2014-09-16 11:44 GMT+02:00 tonyvaccarella <tony(at)weimagine.com.au (tony(at)weimagine.com.au)>:

[quote]--> Europa-List message posted by: "tonyvaccarella" <tony(at)weimagine.com.au (tony(at)weimagine.com.au)>

 

 Hi everyone,

 

 While staking stock of all the parts, bit and pieces that arrived with my partially built Europa - which I only learned today has Classic Wings and XS body, I came across these. Does anyone know what they are?

 

 Your help is appreciated.

 

 Regards,

 Tony Vaccarella

 

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churchy

Joined: 04 Nov 2011
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:00 am Post subject: Identification of parts

Tony



Have you attached or referenced a picture - I can't see anything?



Richard



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		   On 16 Sep 2014, at 10:44, "tonyvaccarella" <tony(at)weimagine.com.au> wrote:

 

 

 

 Hi everyone,

 

 While staking stock of all the parts, bit and pieces that arrived with my partially built Europa - which I only learned today has Classic Wings and XS body, I came across these. Does anyone know what they are?

 

 Your help is appreciated.

 

 Regards,

 Tony Vaccarella

 

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 Tony Vaccarella

 Mascot NSW 2020

 Sydney Australia

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430599#430599

tonyvaccarella

Joined: 10 Sep 2014
Posts: 68
Location: Australia

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 3:44 am Post subject: Re: Identification of parts

Sorry everyone,



I thought I had attached the image. Lets try it again....



Tony

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tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.c
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 3:57 am Post subject: Identification of parts

Nope, no pic.

TR



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		   On 16 Sep 2014, at 1:44 pm, "tonyvaccarella" <tony(at)weimagine.com.au> wrote:

 

 

 

 Sorry everyone,

 

 I thought I had attached the image. Lets try it again....

 

 Tony

 

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 Sydney Australia

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430602#430602

 

 

 

 

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churchy

Joined: 04 Nov 2011
Posts: 48

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 4:37 am Post subject: Identification of parts

Tony



The pic is in a link at the bottom of the email - I have looked but cannot identify.



Richard



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		   On 16 Sep 2014, at 12:56, Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 Nope, no pic.

 TR

 

 Sent from my iPad

 

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rlborger(at)mac.com
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:08 am Post subject: Identification of parts

Tony,



The pic is there this time.  I do not recognize the part.



Blue skies & tailwinds,

Bob Borger

Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).

Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP

3705 Lynchburg Dr.

Corinth, TX  76208-5331

Cel: 817-992-1117

rlborger(at)mac.com



On Sep 16, 2014, at 6:44 AM, tonyvaccarella <tony(at)weimagine.com.au> wrote:






Sorry everyone,



I thought I had attached the image. Lets try it again....



Tony



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Mascot NSW 2020

Sydney Australia





Read this topic online here:



http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430602#430602





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nigel_graham(at)m-tecque.
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 7:48 am Post subject: Identification of parts

Looks to me like two legs off a cheap Chinese gazebo. If you're 

intending to fit them you might need a mod approval 



On 16/09/2014 10:44, tonyvaccarella wrote:

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 Hi everyone,



 While staking stock of all the parts, bit and pieces that arrived with my partially built Europa - which I only learned today has Classic Wings and XS body, I came across these. Does anyone know what they are?



 Your help is appreciated.



 Regards,

 Tony Vaccarella



 --------

 Tony Vaccarella

 Mascot NSW 2020

 Sydney Australia





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430599#430599

steven.pitt2(at)ntlworld.
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:30 am Post subject: Identification of parts

Tony,

My immediate reaction was to say it was the CS01 bottom of the control 

column fittings (Section 13), but my manual shows that mine were forked at 

the narrow portion.

Try contacting Andy Draper at andy.draper(at)laa.uk.com

In case you are not aware he was the Chief Engineer at Europa Aircraft from 

the beginning.

Regards

Steve Pitt

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spcialeffects

Joined: 29 Aug 2012
Posts: 306
Location: Kent

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:57 am Post subject: Re: Identification of parts

Hi Tony, welcome to the fountain of knowledge! Im building a classic kit and haven't come across anything that looks like your photo, sorry. When it comes to building your wings take a look at europa owners.org page 4 I have some photos of the building of my wings. Just a taste of what's to come for you. Enjoy, Frank

craigb(at)onthenet.com.au
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:11 pm Post subject: Identification of parts

Just a thought, but are they an adaptor for the outrigger legs to take a

different size rod????



Good luck

craig

Philipgeorge347(at)hotmai
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 12:25 am Post subject: Identification of parts

I second the Nigel comment as my a/c is a XS fuselage with classic wings . I never saw anything like that during my build.  Phil George . G-EORJ 

 

 

 

 

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 Looks to me like two legs off a cheap Chinese gazebo. If you're 

 intending to fit them you might need a mod approval 

 

 

 

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 > While staking stock of all the parts, bit and pieces that arrived with my partially built Europa - which I only learned today has Classic Wings and XS body, I came across these. Does anyone know what they are?

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 > Your help is appreciated.

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 > Regards,

 > Tony Vaccarella

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 > Mascot NSW 2020

 > Sydney Australia

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m.j.gregory(at)talk21.com
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:15 am Post subject: Identification of parts

Hello Tony,

 

It appears to me that this may have been the previous owners cheap way of adapting the control columns from 1¼  inches diameter to 1 inch to allow the fitting of one inch hand grips, rather than going for the cranked control columns of mod 54. 

 

I suggest you measure the internal diameters of the parts in your photograph to see if they are 1¼  inches at one end and 1 inch of the other. If so, check your control columns and see if they are 1¼  inch aluminium and straight, rather than the later one inch diameter steel and cranked. 

 

Mod 54 explains:

 

"Several types of hand grip are available for aircraft control columns and the most common diameter of column they are made to fit is 1".

"The reduction in diameter from 1¼" to 1" demanded that the control column be made from steel rather than the existing aluminium alloy to cater for the maximum load that may be applied."



The full details of mod 54 are on the company website at:

http://www.europa-aircraft.co.uk/pdfs/modifications/Mod%2054.pdf

 

The change in diameter for the mod is accomplished by inserting a sleeve, but if you wish to retain the existing aluminium columns and merely change the diameter to allow one inch handgrips to be fitted, then the parts in your photograph may do this.

 

Of course, I may be completely wrong and your unidentified parts could have absolutely nothing to do with the control columns!

 

Best regards,

 

Mike

Dr Mike Gregory

Europa Club safety officer

 

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Paul M 383

Joined: 19 Mar 2012
Posts: 97
Location: United Kingdom

Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 4:11 am Post subject: Re: Identification of parts

This probably won't help with the current unidentified parts (they aren't shown here) but here is a composite (no pun etc) photo of all the XS kit hardware parts, not including larger items like the control sticks themselves.



Some of the part nos are recognisable by their label - CS is Control System, FL is Flaps, LG is Landing Gear etc.



You can see, at bottom right, the CS01 control stick bottom fittings that your mystery parts resemble - hence the general thinking that these might be some sort of mod in that area.



HTH,



Paul M



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nigel_graham(at)m-tecque.
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 4:17 am Post subject: Identification of parts

Tony,

     

     I can categorically confirm that this is NOT a Europa part and     should not under any circumstances go anywhere near your plane, let     alone a primary control. It is not even of aviation quality. Your     photo shows a rolled and seam welded mild steel tube with stamped     holes.  The nuts and bolts look to be cadmium plated hardware-store     quality mild steel with the probable tensile strength of cheese.

     

     Proper aviation quality steel tubing is always seamless and the     hardware will only be hight tensile AN spec. Holes in aircraft     quality components will be drilled, not stamped.

     

     What you have is a jointing component used on something like mass     produced garden furniture and is used to connect two tubes and was     probably shipped in error with you kit. 

     Builders do tend to store garden furniture in and around their kits     in the garage once they have lost their "building mojo".

     

     If you find any other curious bits requiring identification, do post     up a picture.

     

     Nigel

     

     

     

     On 17/09/2014 10:18,       m.j.gregory(at)talk21.com (m.j.gregory(at)talk21.com) wrote:

     

     [quote]                       <![endif]-->   <![endif]-->                

Hello Tony,         

          

It appears to me that this may have been           the previous owners cheap way of adapting the control columns           from 1¼  inches diameter to 1 inch to allow the fitting of one           inch hand grips, rather than going for the cranked control           columns of mod 54.          

          

I suggest you measure the internal           diameters of the parts in your photograph to see if they are           1¼  inches at one end and 1 inch of the other. If so, check           your control columns and see if they are 1¼  inch aluminium           and straight, rather than the later one inch diameter steel           and cranked.          

          

Mod 54 explains:         

          

"Several           types of hand grip are available for aircraft control columns           and the most common diameter of column they are made to fit is           1".         

"The           reduction in diameter from 1¼" to 1" demanded that the control           column be made from steel rather than the existing aluminium           alloy to cater for the maximum load that may be applied."         

         

The full details of mod 54 are on the           company website at:         

http://www.europa-aircraft.co.uk/pdfs/modifications/Mod%2054.pdf         

          

The change in diameter for the mod is           accomplished by inserting a sleeve, but if you wish to retain           the existing aluminium columns and merely change the diameter           to allow one inch handgrips to be fitted, then the parts in           your photograph may do this.         

          

Of course, I may be completely wrong and           your unidentified parts could have absolutely nothing to do           with the control columns!         

          

Best regards,         

          

Mike         

Dr             Mike Gregory         

Europa             Club safety officer         

          

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tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.c
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:47 am Post subject: Identification of parts

Nigel, you crack me up....



Builders do tend to store garden furniture in and around their kits in the garage once they have lost their "building mojo".

Tony, hopefully home on the weekend. Next week maybe I can help with some parts identification. 



Regards

Tony Renshaw



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		   On 17 Sep 2014, at 1:16 pm, Nigel Graham <nigel_graham(at)m-tecque.co.uk> wrote:

 

 Builders do tend to store garden furniture in and around their kits in the garage once they have lost their "building mojo".

tonyvaccarella

Joined: 10 Sep 2014
Posts: 68
Location: Australia

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: Identification of parts

Thank you to all who posted a reply to my query. Collectively you have convinced me that these parts have nothing to do with the aircraft and I will leave them until I can find some alternate use they can be adapted to. 



Regards to all 



Tony

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thomas(at)scherer.com
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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 3:32 am Post subject: Identification of parts

further to the recent discussion abt parts, I have found in my building 

shack the attached part which I do not find  in the build manual. It 

seems to be aviation grade and possibly related to the control linkage 

of the MG-speed brakes.



Any suggestions what this could be / or not Europa-related ?



Thank you in advance



<Thomas, N81EU>



BTW, N81EU does now appear in the German Wikipedia. Any takers for an 

English translation ?

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danny shepherd

Joined: 27 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 4:17 am Post subject: Identification of parts

On 04/10/2014 12:31, Thomas Scherer       wrote:

     

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		  further       to the recent discussion abt parts, I have found in my building       shack the attached part which I do not find  in the build manual.       It seems to be aviation grade and possibly related to the control       linkage of the MG-speed brakes.       

       

       Any suggestions what this could be / or not Europa-related ?       

       

       Thank you in advance       

       

       <Thomas, N81EU>       

       

       BTW, N81EU does now appear in the German Wikipedia. Any takers for       an English translation ?       

       

              

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     yes it's the cylinder for the hand operated tri gear brakes.  

     

     Cheers Danny.

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thomas(at)scherer.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 4:29 am Post subject: Identification of parts

Thank you, Danny, for the enlightenment.

     

     I will probably put it up for sale as I prefer foot operated brakes     to have the hand free for the throttle.

     

     BTW, I also have a flaps actuator motor which I will not need on the     MG. If anybody is interested.

     

     be well

     

     <Thomas, N81EU>

     [url=http://www.avg.com][/url]     [quote]        	  Quote: 	
		   	
       yes it's the cylinder for the hand operated tri gear brakes.  

       

       Cheers Danny.

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