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h&jeuropa

Joined: 07 Nov 2006
Posts: 645

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:46 am Post subject: 914 For Sale

Just saw this on the Van's forum  914 for sale 17K USD



Link is here



http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=118446



Jim & Heather

rampil

Joined: 04 May 2007
Posts: 870

Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:24 pm Post subject: Re: 914 For Sale

Oh oh! Water immersion of engine!

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budyerly(at)msn.com
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:04 pm Post subject: 914 For Sale

I think the salvager of this engine took it off a seaplane.  Pilot died on 

rotation for takeoff...(No medical needed LSA pilot)...plane flipped and 

went down into the fresh water lake.

Lockwood walked him through the de-water.  Should be OK...



Obviously there is some concern, but Lockwood seems to think it should be 

OK.  The electrics are so simple on the Rotax 914, fresh water will 

evaporate and not hurt the electrics in most cases.



I don't think I would pay $17K for it even though it is low time.  $10K for 

a proper overhaul must be planned for.  Rebuilt 914s are about $25K so I can 

see why he figured $17K.  Since it has been dewatered and run tested it 

seems the Lockwood/Rotax  procedure is sound.



I would think a very safe price would be $10-13K.  I believe a block 

overhaul is unlikely in the future.   If the carbs and turbo need to be 

replaced, early that's $12K.  So 13K is a very safe price in my opinion.



Regards,

Bud Yerly



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rampil

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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:04 am Post subject: Re: 914 For Sale

But AOPA says there have never been medical incapacitation LSA accidents!

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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:11 pm Post subject: 914 For Sale

Knowing bureaucrats,  they exclaimed: "HE WAS NOT INCAPACITATED. He was dead.". He died before committing to flight. 

 

 

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willydewey

Joined: 24 Sep 2014
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Location: Guildford Surrey United Kingdom

Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:59 am Post subject: Re: 914 For Sale

I wrote off my Alpi 300 in August. Insurers would not under any circumstances sell me the wreckage despite zero damage to engine. They claim that the engine will be crushed to stop it being salvaged, inspected and put back in to use. This warning is given in case you buy secondhand. Insurers have the Rotax serial number and won't pay out if you have an incident and have an engine that has previously been written off.

Just a warning

Bill Dewey.

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flyingphil2

Joined: 04 Dec 2009
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:45 am Post subject: Re: 914 For Sale

Hi Bill,



Really?  Is that a new rule?  

There have been many engines removed from crashed aircraft and put back to use in other airframes (when the engine was ok but the airframe was beyond economic repair).  Did the insurers specifically link the engine as a cause to the incident?



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Phil

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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:53 am Post subject: 914 For Sale

Could be  a question of an individual insurer taking that approach. In dealing with Schools Build a Plane matters we have found insurers taking widely differing approaches  to matters of pilot suitability and  whether a school built plane could ever be sold on or not 

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Hi Bill,



Really?  Is that a new rule?  

There have been many engines removed from crashed aircraft and put back to use in other airframes (when the engine was ok but the airframe was beyond economic repair).  Did the insurers specifically link the engine as a cause to the incident?



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Phil





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willydewey

Joined: 24 Sep 2014
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Location: Guildford Surrey United Kingdom

Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:46 am Post subject: Re: 914 For Sale

Hi Phil,

Can't say for sure if it's a new rule, but Crawfords the underwriters for Great Lakes Insurance have defiantly taken that stance. I pleaded with them to buy the wreckage including the engine to no avail, there was no chance of negotiation. My engine had less than 400 hrs and started first time in all weathers and ran like a sewing machine hence my wish to buy it.

The incident was due to carrying out the FREDA checks prior to landing and the engine stopping due to unreliable gauges and fuel starvation.

To my chagrin it made National TV.

Bill

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willydewey

Joined: 24 Sep 2014
Posts: 53
Location: Guildford Surrey United Kingdom

Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:48 am Post subject: Re: 914 For Sale

Hi Phil,

Can't say for sure if it's a new rule, but Crawfords the underwriters for Great Lakes Insurance have defiantly taken that stance. I pleaded with them to buy the wreckage including the engine to no avail, there was no chance of negotiation. My engine had less than 400 hrs and started first time in all weathers and ran like a sewing machine hence my wish to buy it.

The incident was due to carrying out the FREDA checks prior to landing and the engine stopping due to unreliable gauges and fuel starvation.

To my chagrin it made National TV.

Bill

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flyingphil2

Joined: 04 Dec 2009
Posts: 117

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:05 am Post subject: Re: 914 For Sale

Hi Bill,

Very interesting.  

Good news for Rotax though if the market for used (and slightly crashed) engines is closing up.

Regards,

Phil

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