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Doe's anyony know the spring load (lb) of door gas spring ?
Many thanks
Michel AUVRAY
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:23 am Post subject: Gas spring effort |
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I just refilled mine. They were at about 38lbs and saging. I filled them to about 1400psi which came out to about 60lbs. They feel a little stiff but I have not felt a new one in a long time. 50lbs may be OK but at 60 it work fine.
Dean Seitz
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Doe's anyony know the spring load (lb) of door gas spring ?
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:46 pm Post subject: Gas spring effort |
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Hi Dean, where did you get yours refilled. I couldn't find anyone to do it and ended up buying new ones. - Paul
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:07 pm Post subject: Gas spring effort |
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Paul,
In case you need some struts with better and small ball locking mechanics
for our 8mm balls than the auto style (or even Europa).
$45 each for those of us in North America that can be maintained by mail
(although I haven't had to ever refill them). Exact size for the Europa.
Force is about 26 Newtons if I recall which keeps up the heaviest of doors.
Dampener works both ways to prevent that door slam, even in the winter (but
I don't know what winter is anymore here in Florida). Guaranteed by the
manufacturer.
Let me know if you need a pair. I supplied many to my clients and still I
have a couple of sets in stock.
Regards,
Bud Yerly
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Hi Dean, where did you get yours refilled. I couldn't find anyone to do it
and ended up buying new ones. - Paul
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cakeykev(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:29 pm Post subject: Gas spring effort |
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Factory is about 2 miles away from my house they refurb them. Sutton, Surrey.
It was a friend who told me they were there I didn't know.
It makes a massive difference. No more being bashed on the head.
Kevin Challis
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[quote] On 7 Nov 2014, at 01:45, Paul McAllister <paul.the.aviator(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Dean, where did you get yours refilled. I couldn't find anyone to do it and ended up buying new ones. - Paul
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John Wighton
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 12:30 am Post subject: Re: Gas spring effort |
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Interested in the door strut stiffness (it is not a load). Mine are weak and need refurb/change. I take it the values given in lbf are per inch (i.e. 50lbf/in)? Bud uses Newtons (is that 26N/mm Bud?) which works out at around 148 lbf/in which seems high (especially for Florida climate).
I never experienced significant door distortion and have attributed that in other planes to overly stiff struts.
The pressure fill value of 1400psi is useful as that gives the refurb company a value they can use.
Where is this place in Surrey Kevin?
regards
JW
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 12:46 am Post subject: Gas spring effort |
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Hi Kevin,
Useful info but phone no and/or name of company would be handy.
Pete
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cakeykev(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:03 am Post subject: Gas spring effort |
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I thought you would ask that.
Just because I have been there doesn't mean I can remember 
I am away at the moment for a few days I will look it up when I get home. My friend might reply? He arranged it for both of our sets.
Kevin Challis
[quote] On 7 Nov 2014, at 08:46, Peter Jeffers <pjeffers(at)talktalk.net> wrote:
Hi Kevin,
Useful info but phone no and/or name of company would be handy.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:44 am Post subject: Gas spring effort |
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Hi all,
Kevin's friend here, aka Dave Watts.
The firm are the original suppliers to Europa and are:-
Industrial Gas Springs Ltd
22 Wates Way
Mitcham
Surrey
CR44HR
Phone 02086466595
They charged us £5 per unit plus post and packing.
There was a note on the invoice to say that the units had been charged to 185 Newtons.
Dave Watts G-BXDY
[quote] On 7 Nov 2014, at 09:03, Kevin Challis <cakeykev(at)gmail.com> wrote:
I thought you would ask that.
Just because I have been there doesn't mean I can remember
I am away at the moment for a few days I will look it up when I get home. My friend might reply? He arranged it for both of our sets.
Kevin Challis
> On 7 Nov 2014, at 08:46, Peter Jeffers <pjeffers(at)talktalk.net> wrote:
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> Useful info but phone no and/or name of company would be handy.
> Pete
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:44 am Post subject: Gas spring effort |
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Hi! All
Industrial Gas Springs provide a refill/re-charge service, very obliging outfit and very competitive:-
Industrial Gas Springs Limited
A wholly owned subsidiary of Swan Investments Group
Incorporating Inflite Engineering Services
22 Wates Way, Mitcham, Surrey CR4 4HR
United Kingdom
Tel: 020 8646 6596 - Fax: 020 8646 6594
International Tel: +44 20 8646 6596
I had mine done some time ago still OK . They will also provide new ball ends with the service.
Regards to all
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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John Wighton
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 2:23 am Post subject: Re: Gas spring effort |
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Excellent response - thanks to all. And the details all correlate! One time before l used company details offered from the forum to find it was a knitting shop instead of an upholsterer.
regards
JW
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pete(at)lawless.info
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 5:33 am Post subject: Gas spring effort |
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Hi Bob
Thanks for the contact info. What load did you get your struts set to?
Regards
Pete
G-RMAC #109
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Hi! All
Industrial Gas Springs provide a refill/re-charge service, very obliging outfit and very competitive:-
Industrial Gas Springs Limited
A wholly owned subsidiary of Swan Investments Group
Incorporating Inflite Engineering Services
22 Wates Way, Mitcham, Surrey CR4 4HR
United Kingdom
Tel: 020 8646 6596 - Fax: 020 8646 6594
International Tel: +44 20 8646 6596
I had mine done some time ago still OK . They will also provide new ball ends with the service.
Regards to all
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 5:56 am Post subject: Gas spring effort |
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Another option is to use adjustable gas struts. Pressure adjustable from 20 to 400 (Newtons?).Cost £ 14.50 for the steel version. Also available in stainless.
Karl
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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 00:30:57 -0800
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
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Interested in the door strut stiffness (it is not a load). Mine are weak and need refurb/change. I take it the values given in lbf are per inch (i.e. 50lbf/in)? Bud uses Newtons (is that 26N/mm Bud?) which works out at around 148 lbf/in which seems high (especially for Florida climate).
I never experienced significant door distortion and have attributed that in other planes to overly stiff struts.
The pressure fill value of 1400psi is useful as that gives the refurb company a value they can use.
Where is this place in Surrey Kevin?
regards
JW
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:30 am Post subject: Gas spring effort |
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Hi! Pete,
The struts are made by them so they pressure them up to design performance ( In other words I didn't ask even !) However I have done the mod. that revises the mounting further down the door so eliminating the pressure reaction upwards on the door rear corner and re-enforcing of the door rear frame.
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
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mau11(at)orange.fr
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:48 am Post subject: Gas spring effort |
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Many thanks Karl,
Where it is possible to buy?
Is it possible you send to me an adress
Michel AUVRAY
Builder 145
Le 07/11/2014 14:55, Karl Heindl a écrit :
| Quote: | Another option is to use adjustable gas struts. Pressure adjustable from 20 to 400 (Newtons?). Cost £ 14.50 for the steel version. Also available in stainless.
Karl
> Subject: Re: Gas spring effort
> From: john(at)wighton.net (john(at)wighton.net)
> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 00:30:57 -0800
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> Interested in the door strut stiffness (it is not a load). Mine are weak and need refurb/change. I take it the values given in lbf are per inch (i.e. 50lbf/in)? Bud uses Newtons (is that 26N/mm Bud?) which works out at around 148 lbf/in which seems high (especially for Florida climate).
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> I never experienced significant door distortion and have attributed that in other planes to overly stiff struts.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:11 am Post subject: Gas spring effort |
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Michel,
Look at www.wdsltd.co.uk. I think the correct part number is 550-0615100 for the steel version.
I am sure they will ship to France.
Karl
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 18:44:57 +0100
From: mau11(at)orange.fr
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: Gas spring effort
Many thanks Karl,
Where it is possible to buy?
Is it possible you send to me an adress
Michel AUVRAY
Builder 145
Le 07/11/2014 14:55, Karl Heindl a écrit :
| Quote: | Another option is to use adjustable gas struts. Pressure adjustable from 20 to 400 (Newtons?). Cost £ 14.50 for the steel version. Also available in stainless.
Karl
> Subject: Re: Gas spring effort
> From: john(at)wighton.net (john(at)wighton.net)
> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 00:30:57 -0800
> To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)
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> Interested in the door strut stiffness (it is not a load). Mine are weak and need refurb/change. I take it the values given in lbf are per inch (i.e. 50lbf/in)? Bud uses Newtons (is that 26N/mm Bud?) which works out at around 148 lbf/in which seems high (especially for Florida climate).
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Hi Karl.
I see the adjustable gas struts,
They look from the photo a little thicker in diameter than the original struts ?, do they fit. the Europa OK,
Also, 20 to 200, how you set the pressure, lowering it, then increasing it.?
Price is £14.50
My Doors, One has been modified to the centre position and the other at the top corner, Both have suffered the door being distorted. I need to modify the other one to the center position.
Alan
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:38 pm Post subject: Gas spring effort |
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Hi Alan,
I will be ordering a couple when I am in the UK. The measurements are exactly the same as the ones that came with the kit, i.e. diameter 15mm , length 300-310mm, the diameter of the 'piston' rod is 6mm, and its length 100mm.
You adjust the pressure (20-400 btw) by turning a screw at one end (see diagram).
Cheers,
Karl
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From: alancarteresq(at)onetel.net
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 13:45:15 -0800
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
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Hi Karl.
I see the adjustable gas struts,
They look from the photo a little thicker in diameter than the original struts ?, do they fit. the Europa OK,
Also, 20 to 200, how you set the pressure, lowering it, then increasing it.?
Price is £14.50
My Doors, One has been modified to the centre position and the other at the top corner, Both have suffered the door being distorted. I need to modify the other one to the center position.
Alan
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Hallo Karl,
I would be interested in a pair of these as well.
Danke!
Christoph
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On Nov 7, 2014, at 19:38, "Karl Heindl" <kheindl(at)msn.com (kheindl(at)msn.com)> wrote:
[quote] Hi Alan,
I will be ordering a couple when I am in the UK. The measurements are exactly the same as the ones that came with the kit, i.e. diameter 15mm , length 300-310mm, the diameter of the 'piston' rod is 6mm, and its length 100mm.
You adjust the pressure (20-400 btw) by turning a screw at one end (see diagram).
Cheers,
Karl
> Subject: Re: Gas spring effort
> From: alancarteresq(at)onetel.net (alancarteresq(at)onetel.net)
> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 13:45:15 -0800
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> Hi Karl.
> I see the adjustable gas struts,
> They look from the photo a little thicker in diameter than the original struts ?, do they fit. the Europa OK,
> Also, 20 to 200, how you set the pressure, lowering it, then increasing it.?
> Price is £14.50
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> My Doors, One has been modified to the centre position and the other at the top corner, Both have suffered the door being distorted. I need to modify the other one to the center position.
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Christoph,
No problem. we'll talk before I leave.
Karl
From: christoph.both(at)acadiau.ca
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: Gas spring effort
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 23:42:19 +0000
Hallo Karl,
I would be interested in a pair of these as well.
Danke!
Christoph
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 7, 2014, at 19:38, "Karl Heindl" <kheindl(at)msn.com (kheindl(at)msn.com)> wrote:
[quote] Hi Alan,
I will be ordering a couple when I am in the UK. The measurements are exactly the same as the ones that came with the kit, i.e. diameter 15mm , length 300-310mm, the diameter of the 'piston' rod is 6mm, and its length 100mm.
You adjust the pressure (20-400 btw) by turning a screw at one end (see diagram).
Cheers,
Karl
> Subject: Re: Gas spring effort
> From: alancarteresq(at)onetel.net (alancarteresq(at)onetel.net)
> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 13:45:15 -0800
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> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq(at)onetel.net (alancarteresq(at)onetel.net)>
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> Hi Karl.
> I see the adjustable gas struts,
> They look from the photo a little thicker in diameter than the original struts ?, do they fit. the Europa OK,
> Also, 20 to 200, how you set the pressure, lowering it, then increasing it.?
> Price is £14.50
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> My Doors, One has been modified to the centre position and the other at the top corner, Both have suffered the door being distorted. I need to modify the other one to the center position.
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> Alan
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433131#433131
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