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taffy0687(at)yahoo.com
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 Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:30 pm Post subject: Tony Bingelis' books/ STICK AND RUDDER--- sorry |
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List---- sorry I mentioned Bingelis' books and STICK AND RUDDER. I finally realized I am wasting my time posting to this site.--------
Next thing you'll be telling me is that crosswind landing should be avioded also. The way you guys are talking is: DON'T LEARN TO FLY THE AIRPLANE and to be prepaired for the unexpected, it is better to wait for the real thing--------- too late than.-----------Myself, I am glad I learned to fly during the "old school" of flight instruction.
Fritz
Bill Naumuk <naumuk(at)alltel.net> wrote:
[quote]--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Naumuk"
J-
I speak only from my own experiences with newly minted CFIs. After
shooting a number of the current textbook's landings with one, he said "Make
a landing however you want".
So I did the old WWII "Tight to the field" pattern. Turned to final (Of
course) high and he said "You're too high, you'll never make it". Went into
a slip and he said "Are you trying to kill us- you're cross controlled!"
Don't know how it is where you're from, but around our area, slips and
spins are maneuvers to be avoided.
Bill
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bryanmmartin
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| Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 3:23 pm Post subject: Tony Bingelis' books/ STICK AND RUDDER--- sorry |
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It's a pretty sad situation when your CFI is afraid of slips. How
else can you make a cross-wind landing?
On Jul 1, 2006, at 4:28 PM, Big Gee wrote:
[quote] List---- sorry I mentioned Bingelis' books and STICK AND RUDDER. I
finally realized I am wasting my time posting to this site.--------
Next thing you'll be telling me is that crosswind landing should be
avioded also. The way you guys are talking is: DON'T LEARN TO
FLY THE AIRPLANE and to be prepaired for the unexpected, it is
better to wait for the real thing--------- too late than.-----------
Myself, I am glad I learned to fly during the "old school" of
flight instruction.
Fritz
Bill Naumuk <naumuk(at)alltel.net> wrote:
J-
I speak only from my own experiences with newly minted CFIs. After
shooting a number of the current textbook's landings with one, he
said "Make
a landing however you want".
So I did the old WWII "Tight to the field" pattern. Turned to final
(Of
course) high and he said "You're too high, you'll never make it".
Went into
a slip and he said "Are you trying to kill us- you're cross
controlled!"
Don't know how it is where you're from, but around our area, slips and
spins are maneuvers to be avoided.
Bill
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gboothe(at)calply.com
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| Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 3:39 pm Post subject: Tony Bingelis' books/ STICK AND RUDDER--- sorry |
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I guess we now need to ask the CFI before the flight if he/she is afraid of
side slips or forward slips. If they say, "Yes" then it's time to look for a
new CFI.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion
Tail done, working on wings....
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naumuk(at)alltel.net
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| Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 5:00 pm Post subject: Tony Bingelis' books/ STICK AND RUDDER--- sorry |
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Fritz-
Read my post again. I'm agreeing with you 100%!
Bill
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| Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 5:05 pm Post subject: Tony Bingelis' books/ STICK AND RUDDER--- sorry |
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All-
READ MY POST!! IF YOU CAN'T APPRECIATE THE IRONY, GO BACK TO THE FUNNY
PAGES!
Bill
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gboothe(at)calply.com
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| Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 5:38 pm Post subject: Tony Bingelis' books/ STICK AND RUDDER--- sorry |
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Bill,
My apologies if I appeared to not follow the irony, but I am really agreeing
with you! Flying an old L-2 one instructor used to yell at me, "What cheek
of your ass are sitting on?" Many modern instructors seem to have lost that
feel.
At the end of my flying days 20 years ago I had finally found a CFI that
flew a Stearman. He understood slips. I had been reprimanded twice before
that, once by a Flight Examiner and once by an Airport Manager!
X-winds in a taildragger are most easily handled (says me) by conducting an
up wind, one wheel landing. The up-wind wing is kept low by
cross-controlling and the pilot keeps the nose pointed down the runway. It's
essentially a forward slip in relationship to the wind.
Keep on slipping,
Gary
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| Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 5:53 pm Post subject: Tony Bingelis' books/ STICK AND RUDDER--- sorry |
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Gary-
This wasn't directed at you, but "Big Gee". I just happened to respond
to the list on your post. My apologies- I know we're on the same page.
Bill
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randy(at)shadycreekoutlaw
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 6:42 am Post subject: Tony Bingelis' books/ STICK AND RUDDER--- sorry |
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I agree... I "fired" one CFI I had because he refused to teach me to fly
"by the seat of my pants."... The feeling I got, the way he was teaching
me, was to do everything by the book... If after completing the last step
in the book, you were still in trouble, you were also dead... In other
words, at that point, just give up... I found another CFI who had logged
over 40,000 hours back in the day, most of it flying cargo, and his teaching
method was more of "fly it till it hits the ground". He always told me the
reason people get killed in crashes is because they give up and quit flying
the plane. At one point this CFI covered all the instruments on the panel
except for the airspeed and altitude and this was basically how I learned to
fly... I can "feel" if the ball in not in the middle..etc...
Some may consider this type of flying dangerous..etc., but it works for me
and I like it...
Just my .02 worth...
Randy
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 7:13 am Post subject: Tony Bingelis' books/ STICK AND RUDDER--- sorry |
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Randy-
Where are you located? You didn't have the priviledge of doing some dual
with John J., did you? Cripes, I didn't get anything but the whiskey
compass!
Bill
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