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John.Hines(at)craftontull
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Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 8:17 pm Post subject: Scratch build question - Fuselage & controls

Guy,  

   

I’m beginning to scratch build my fuselage and have a few questions.  I’m not a welder (at least not a good one) so I need to purchase some parts already made.  The rudder pedals come with the fuselage kit and not the controls kit.  How much does ZAC charge for the rudder pedals?  Also, where do I get the nylon to make the bearing?  I checked aircraft spruce and didn’t see any.  I guess if I buy the pedals from ZAC it comes with the nylon but there are other areas that call for nylon.  

   

Do most scratch builders purchase controls or fabricate them?  On the homebuilt help DVD about scratch building they mention a hardware kit but of course don’t mention a price.  I don’t see it anywhere on ZAC’s website.  Sorry for rambling on.  I’ve been staring at plans all night and I’m starting to see double.  Any advice would be appreciated.  

   

Thanks,  

John  

www.johnsplane.com   

   

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zodierocket(at)hsfx.ca
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Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 9:04 pm Post subject: Scratch build question - Fuselage & controls

John some of scratch builders wield their own equipment. But remember your life is on the line for a quality wield. Many plans builder opt for buying the steel parts from ZAC. As for the hardware kit, just give Shirley a call on Tuesday at Zenith Aircraft and get a quote. The price was not mentioned in the DVD because the DVD caters to Zenith mostly but is useful for many other designs of aircraft. www.homebuilthelp.com is not a Zenith affiliated company but it sure does favor our products. Plus I am a little bias in what I consider is the best series of planes around. As for the Nylon or UHMP you can source that locally just look in the yellow pages of your phone book under plastic and call the closest.  

     

Mark Townsend  

Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.  

president(at)can-zacaviation.com (president(at)can-zacaviation.com)  

www.can-zacaviation.com   

  

   

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sky_ranger161

Joined: 07 Jun 2006
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 3:00 am Post subject: Scratch build question - Fuselage & controls

Hey John,

   

  I've got a couple of tidbits that might help here. If not, just tell me to go back to my shop and drill more holes. 

   

  You can actually buy individual parts from Zenith - not even whole kits, but individual parts. I got my horizontal stabilizer spars this way. In the builders section of the Zenith website there's an "Online Kit Parts Database." You can type in the part you're looking for and it will show you how much that part costs. One caveat though - some of the prices are out of date, and there are a lot of parts missing for the XL. I think they've pretty much quit maintaining the database, but it's still very useful. In case I can't find what I'm looking for, I just call 'em up and price the part.

   

  Here's the link for Aircraft Spruce nylon. For some reason they put it in with the metals. I guess by their thinking it's a "raw material." 

    

  http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/me/nylon.html

   

  Enjoy!

   

   

  Debo Cox

  XL/Corvair

  Poundin' out wing ribs

   

  Do not archive

   

   



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randy(at)shadycreekoutlaw
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 6:45 am Post subject: Scratch build question - Fuselage & controls

Good to hear you've decided to scratch  build!

  

 I'm not sure of the price of the pedals from ZAC,  but the Y control stick and torque tube is about $265 or so, so I'd be the  pedals will be $400 or so...just a guess...  You could call Shirley at ZAC  and find out for sure.

  

 Another option is to buy your 4130 tubing from a  source like Speedy Metals, cut them to length, fishmouth them, and take them to  a welder to get them welded...  Of course you'll end up with the price of  the tubing and the price the welder charges, but I'd say you'll end up with  about 25% of the ZAC price for the same parts...

  

  

 Randy

 XL Wings - Plans Only

 http://www.n344rb.com

 Do Not Archive

  

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LHusky(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 1:11 pm Post subject: Scratch build question - Fuselage & controls

John, I just checked the price of the hardware kit that you mentioned and  ZAC wants $425.00 for it.  Shirley stated that all the hardware needed for  the XL was in it.  

  

 Larry 

 Lakeview, OR 

 Building fuse!!

paulrod36(at)msn.com
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:38 am Post subject: Scratch build question - Fuselage & controls

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  John, I found half-inch nylon to be hideously expensive, and teflon in that  thickness pretty rare, but there are alternatives. At your local Ace Hardware,  try the Joyce Chen cutting board in their housewares section. I got a 9x12  polyethylene cutting board, half-inch thick, for under $10. It cuts very nice on  a bandsaw, and is as slick as nylon. Makes good cable fairleads, too, if you  don't mind cutting it down to a thinner profile.

  

 Paul Rodriguez

 601XL/Corvair

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admin(at)arachnidrobotics
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:43 am Post subject: Scratch build question - Fuselage & controls

    McMaster-Carr (mcmaster.com) is a good source for Nylon 6/6, as well as aluminum extrusion and other materials for your XL.  They're not as cheap as some of the others, but everything is in one place and almost always stock.  The Nylon mentioned below is part #8674K35 and sells for $14.51 for 24 inches of the stuff.



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 Paul Rodriguez

  601XL/Corvair

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rbutterfield(at)mebtel.ne
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 10:29 am Post subject: Scratch build question - Fuselage & controls

Tom and Bren Henderson wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		       McMaster-Carr (mcmaster.com) is a good source for Nylon 6/6, as well as aluminum extrusion and other materials for your XL.  They're not as cheap as some of the others, but everything is in one place and almost always stock.  The Nylon mentioned below is part #8674K35 and sells for $14.51 for 24 inches of the stuff.


	


They also have UHMW Polyethylene, which is significantly more slippery 

than Nylon, about as strong, and much cheaper. For example, part number 

9721K31 is 1/2 x 2 x 12 pieces for $3.47. It also is available in a wide 

variety of sizes.



If you search for just the material name, they have a very nice 

'drill-down' feature which allows you to specify exactly the 

specifications you need.



I've used them for years for hardware needs at work and their customer 

service has been second to none.



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Regards,

RonB

p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:07 am Post subject: Scratch build question - Fuselage & controls

 	  Quote: 	
		  They also have UHMW Polyethylene, which is significantly more 

slippery than Nylon, about as strong, and much cheaper. For example, 

part number 9721K31 is 1/2 x 2 x 12 pieces for $3.47. It also is 

available in a wide variety of sizes.


	


That is all true, but Nylon has a very high melting point compared to 

other plastics.  I would use the Nylon or ask ZAC for approval to use 

a cheaper material.  While Nylon is an expensive plastic, there is a 

reason why it is used for aircraft purposes.



Paul

XL Fuselage

NYTerminat(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 12:54 pm Post subject: Scratch build question - Fuselage & controls

The only place I know that you can call at 5 pm  and still get material ordered by the next day AM!!!!!!  And that is their  normal service. Ron said it best " their service has been second to  none"

  

 Bob Spudis

  

 Do not archive 

  

 In a message dated 7/3/2006 2:30:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  rbutterfield(at)mebtel.net writes:

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		  Tom and    Bren Henderson wrote:

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		       McMaster-Carr (mcmaster.com)    is a good source for Nylon 6/6

I've used them    for years for hardware needs at work and their customer 
	


service has been    second to none.



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RonB

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