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Russ Kinne

Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Posts: 182

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 4:27 pm Post subject: q

Matt

Thank you SO MUCH! -- for taking "Max Stafford" off the list, but I  

think he'll re-surface as someone else. I also think he's the same  

guy as "jetpilot", Michael  E. Bigelow" and "orcabonita".  And now  

he'll likely try to take me apart somehow. Hey, go ahead, I've  

survived better people than  him  trying it.

And the FCC does have some most serious teeth, which he may yet feel --

Anyway, thanx for your efforts.

Russ Kinne

Max Stanford

Joined: 25 Mar 2006
Posts: 10

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: q

Russ Kinne



You are very mistaken to say that I was taken off the listâ€¦ This response here on the list proves you wrong.  You are also very mistaken to think that I am here as someone else.  I am here to stay, so get used to it.



I also remember Matt promising to ban anyone that started this stuff again on the list, I got banned and did my time out.  Now you have started this again without so much as a word from myself.  Matt, when you read this, I ask that you apply the rules fairly and ban Russ Kinne as you did me.  I should be able to come to the list without having to read repeated personal attacks by Russ and a couple others.



Max

Matt Dralle
Site Admin

Joined: 08 Nov 2005
Posts: 25781
Location: Livermore CA USA

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:47 pm Post subject: q

Okay, guys.  Let's just drop this right now.  My ban last time came when I specifically said that I did not want to see anymore discussion regarding a particular topic thread.  Max subsequently posted a very inappropriate follow up message and was banned for the requisite 5-day period.



Here's the warning.  I suggest that everyone drop this thread now and get back to Kolb-specific discussions.  Anymore mud flinging, and someone's going to end up in List jail again.  I don't really care who.



End this now.



Matt Dralle

Matronics Email List Admin.



At 08:31 PM 7/3/2006  Monday, you wrote:

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Russ Kinne



You are very mistaken to say that I was taken off the listâ€¦ This response here on the list proves you wrong.  You are also very mistaken to think that I am here as someone else.  I am here to stay, so get used to it.



I also remember Matt promising to ban anyone that started this stuff again on the list, I got banned and did my time out.  Now you have started this again without so much as a word from myself.  Matt, when you read this, I ask that you apply the rules fairly and ban Russ Kinne as you did me.  I should be able to come to the list without having to read repeated personal attacks by Russ and a couple others.



Max



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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:36 am Post subject: q

Hey Max, What kind of Kolb do you have? Can you post a photo for me? I'd 

like to see your workmanship? Have you met anyone on the list yet? I'd like 

to meet you, it sounds like you know a lot about the Kolbs and I could 

probably pick up some building tips from you. I'm working on an Xtra and I 

was wondering if I can put the transponder antenna next to the pitot tube or 

if you think there's a better place to put it.

Thanks,

David

 	  Quote: 	
		  From: "Max Stanford" <maxstanford77(at)yahoo.com>

Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: q

Date: Mon,  3 Jul 2006 20:31:57 -0700






Russ Kinne



You are very mistaken to say that I was taken off the listâ€¦ This response 

here on the list proves you wrong.  You are also very mistaken to think 

that I am here as someone else.  I am here to stay, so get used to it.



I also remember Matt promising to ban anyone that started this stuff again 

on the list, I got banned and did my time out.  Now you have started this 

again without so much as a word from myself.  Matt, when you read this, I 

ask that you apply the rules fairly and ban Russ Kinne as you did me.  I 

should be able to come to the list without having to read repeated personal 

attacks by Russ and a couple others.



Max





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Cat36Fly(at)AOL.COM
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 6:36 am Post subject: q

David,

  

 Have you considered putting the antenna in the belly between the  gear?

 I put X-ponder and VHF there, one on each side and according to Dover AFB  approach they both work fine (they see me and hear me).

  

 Larry Tasker

 MKlll x 582/warp 

 N615RT

dhkey(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:22 am Post subject: q

I didn't want to go through the fabric because I've already painted it... I 

didn't want to penetrate the fabric if I don't have to. Drilling the boom 

tube is out of the question. So I thought drilling through the fiberglass 

would be better but I was afraid that the pitot tube would mess up the 

antenna reception or transmission. I checked the Acceptable Methods book 

AC43.13B, in 12-20a it talks about transponders. It says that special 

consideration must be given to pulse equipment such as DME and weather radar 

but it doesn't mention anything about pitot tubes.



I had a book on the considerations of antenna mounting but I can't find it 

now, figures...

 	  Quote: 	
		  From: Cat36Fly(at)aol.com

Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Re: q

Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:34:57 EDT



David,



Have you considered putting the antenna in the belly between the  gear?

I put X-ponder and VHF there, one on each side and according to Dover AFB

approach they both work fine (they see me and hear me).



Larry Tasker

MKlll x 582/warp

N615RT

Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1671
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:04 am Post subject: q

Back when I built my MKIII, I was still working at TRI ATCT, and had 

opportunity to get one of the AF techs to look at the underside of the 

airplane. The primary goal is to keep your antenna as far from other 

metal parts that extend away from the surface as possible. So I cut a 

sort of triangle shaped slab of thin aluminum for a ground plane, and 

slid it around and under the left side of the main tube behind the cross 

member that ties the main gear together. I had predrilled the hole for 

the antenna, so once I knew it would fit, all I had to do was slather it 

down with polytak and cram it against the inside of the fabric.

Here is a picture of where it is:

http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg9.htm

Sort of evenly spaced between the gear and a bit behind them. Works good.

If you don't have the hoop skid under the nose, a good place would be 

right at the back of the nose fairing, but if the hoop is still there, 

then that would not be so good. Stick an aluminum plate in there 

somewhere for a ground plane.

Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

David Key wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 I didn't want to go through the fabric because I've already painted 

 it... I didn't want to penetrate the fabric if I don't have to. 

 Drilling the boom tube is out of the question. So I thought drilling 

 through the fiberglass would be better but I was afraid that the pitot 

 tube would mess up the antenna reception or transmission. I checked 

 the Acceptable Methods book AC43.13B, in 12-20a it talks about 

 transponders. It says that special consideration must be given to 

 pulse equipment such as DME and weather radar but it doesn't mention 

 anything about pitot tubes.

 I had a book on the considerations of antenna mounting but I can't 

 find it now, figures...

> From: Cat36Fly(at)aol.com

> Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

> Subject: Re: Re: q

> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:34:57 EDT

>

> David,

>

> Have you considered putting the antenna in the belly between the  gear?

> I put X-ponder and VHF there, one on each side and according to Dover 

> AFB

> approach they both work fine (they see me and hear me).

>

> Larry Tasker

> MKlll x 582/warp

> N615RT

 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List

 http://wiki.matronics.com

_________________
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0

Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing.

dhkey(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:24 am Post subject: q

I see your pitot there too. I did make a ground plane for it but didn't have 

the forsight to make a hole in the fabric. I guess I will put it under the 

nose near the pitot, if that dosen't work well I'll move the pitot to the 

strut or something.

THANKS

 	  Quote: 	
		  From: Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org>

Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Re: q

Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 13:01:13 -0400






Back when I built my MKIII, I was still working at TRI ATCT, and had 

opportunity to get one of the AF techs to look at the underside of the 

airplane. The primary goal is to keep your antenna as far from other metal 

parts that extend away from the surface as possible. So I cut a sort of 

triangle shaped slab of thin aluminum for a ground plane, and slid it 

around and under the left side of the main tube behind the cross member 

that ties the main gear together. I had predrilled the hole for the 

antenna, so once I knew it would fit, all I had to do was slather it down 

with polytak and cram it against the inside of the fabric.

Here is a picture of where it is:

http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg9.htm

Sort of evenly spaced between the gear and a bit behind them. Works good.



If you don't have the hoop skid under the nose, a good place would be right 

at the back of the nose fairing, but if the hoop is still there, then that 

would not be so good. Stick an aluminum plate in there somewhere for a 

ground plane.



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)



David Key wrote:

>

>

>I didn't want to go through the fabric because I've already painted it... 

>I didn't want to penetrate the fabric if I don't have to. Drilling the 

>boom tube is out of the question. So I thought drilling through the 

>fiberglass would be better but I was afraid that the pitot tube would mess 

>up the antenna reception or transmission. I checked the Acceptable Methods 

>book AC43.13B, in 12-20a it talks about transponders. It says that special 

>consideration must be given to pulse equipment such as DME and weather 

>radar but it doesn't mention anything about pitot tubes.

>

>I had a book on the considerations of antenna mounting but I can't find it 

>now, figures...

>>From: Cat36Fly(at)aol.com

>>Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

>>To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

>>Subject: Re: Re: q

>>Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:34:57 EDT

>>

>>David,

>>

>>Have you considered putting the antenna in the belly between the  gear?

>>I put X-ponder and VHF there, one on each side and according to Dover AFB

>>approach they both work fine (they see me and hear me).

>>

>>Larry Tasker

>>MKlll x 582/warp

>>N615RT

>

>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List

>http://wiki.matronics.com

>

>



http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List

http://wiki.matronics.com

Dave Pelletier

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 100
Location: Prescott, Arizona

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 7:38 am Post subject: q

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AzDave

dhkey(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 9:29 am Post subject: q

it must of been all that time spent covering, brushing, sanding, painting 

silver, wet sanding, painting more silver, wet sanding, painting white, 

sanding, masking off, painting red, scuffing, masking off, painting blue and 

uncovering. If I didn't touch fabric again for the next three lifetimes that 

would be ok with me.



I did put many drain holes along the wings and tail with a soldering iron. I 

could do that again.



Thanks for the tip.

[quote]From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier(at)cableone.net>

Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

To: <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: Re: q

Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:34:00 -0700




<pelletier(at)cableone.net>

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slyck(at)frontiernet.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 10:10 am Post subject: q

For small holes the soldering iron works well.

-if you want a larger hole, glue (GOOP is a good sub for polytack)

a washer of plastic or thin metal on the inside first, then cut the 

hole.

Some fabric and sewing stores carry plastic washers.



You can seal the joined edge with a smear of GOOP or clear nail

polish.

-BB

On 5, Jul 2006, at 11:34 AM, Dave & Eve Pelletier wrote:



[quote] 

 <pelletier(at)cableone.net>

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JetPilot

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1246

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:55 am Post subject: Re: q

Hi Russ,



We had our disagreements and pissing match on the list months ago, but shortly afterwards you took the time to email me and send me some really good advice about trim tabs on my MK-III.  I figure anyone that can get over a disagreement on the list to help a fellow Kolber out has got to be a pretty descent guy.  I am not going to get drawn into the current dispute with Max.  And even though I am not thrilled about you linking my name with Max, I am not going to â€œ take you apart â€œ.  I appreciate the good advice you sent, it helped me make an important building decision and thatâ€™s what this list is really all about.



Michael A. Bigelow

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