 |
Matronics Email Lists
Web Forum Interface to the Matronics Email Lists
|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
discrab(at)earthlink.net
Guest
|
 Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:31 am Post subject: Ejection Seats |
 |
|
There was one in a SU-26 here in Colorado. The a/c crashed killing the pilot at an airshow in Telluride, CO a few years ago. The seat was not deployed. I understand Fire and Police needed to treat the wreckage as a haz-mat because of the unexploded ordinance. I was not there but was asked by insurance investigators to view the video with Boris Rakitin (sp?) directly from Sukhoi Design Bureau to add any insight I might have had.
I had heard, as Jill states, it was a $30,000 add-on. I had also heard that a canopy-less SU-29 was flown at OSH and a dummy ejected some years ago - any truth to that?
Rick b
--
| | - The Matronics Yak-List Email Forum - | | | Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List |
|
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
richard.goode(at)russiana
Guest
|
| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 8:17 am Post subject: Ejection Seats |
|
|
Following on from Jill's posting, we have installed three on new Su-31 aircraft. The additional price was US$25,000.
As Jill says there is a service problem - they need an overhaul every 2 years, and Zvesda first said they had to go back to Russia, and then wanted to charge a fortune to send someone.
There was a guy in California - 'Hit The Silk' - selling them for a while, but he seems to have disappeared!
In terms of demonstrating, there have been numerous demonstrations at air shows with dummies, and also I have seen one live ejection in Russia.
Richard Goode
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Mob: +44 (0) 7768 610389
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
| | - The Matronics Yak-List Email Forum - | | | Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List |
|
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
cjpilot710(at)aol.com
Guest
|
| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 8:57 am Post subject: Ejection Seats |
|
|
To use or not to use.
Ejection or extraction seats to me are a more viable though expensive safety device than the stuff we sit on now. To use one or not use one depends, I think, on ones experiences.
I first made a parachute jump in 1963 (all round chutes then) when a skydiver's chute opened while still standing on the step of the Cessna 180 I was flying part time for a club. Fortunately the chute went under the stabilizer and led to her rather spectacular disappearance from the step. At that point I started wearing a chute and the club jump master suggested I learn how to use it. He was hoping for a 'convert' but I just needed to know how it worked. 7 jumps later, I had it down pat. Believe me guys it don't take a 'rocket scientist' to jump from airplane BUT I did learn what to expect.
Jump forward 10 years. I was flying my Pitts when I got smoke (A LOT OF SMOKE) in the cockpit when an oil line from the inverted oil system broke loose from a bracket and got next to the exhaust pipe, and burned though. I remember at the time thinking very clearly "One flicker of flame and I'm out of here" (yes I was wearing a chute). With that option in hand, I was able to concentrate on the problem at hand.
Because of my experience with packing and jumping my own chute, I had (still do) no qualms about stepping over the side, in a given situation. And that is the crust. The chutes we sit on now have a limited operational envelope. Stepping out at 200' is not an option and since we are (at least me) is often in formation and sometimes below 1,000' at airshow, this isn't even time enough. It is not the chute opening -- it is getting out of the doomed airplane. How many of us practice getting out of our airplane -- normally -- still wearing our chutes? Add to this the slip stream and aircraft gyrations, it becomes an argument on who's kidding who. Maybe you have a chance and maybe you don't.
If you wear a chute, you must know what its limits are. You than must - AHEAD OF TIME - plan on when you will use it. At night over mountains (something that crossed my mind just a month ago), or impossible terrain, fire, structural failure, or collision at altitude. You need to dictate to your self this is the limited on why, when and where you will use the chute. You need this same "comitment" about extraction system too.
The nice thing about the extraction chute (and ejection seats) is that they open the envelope a whole lot wider and thus add safety.
If the price of these systums were in the $5,000 bracket (impossible?) I'd have one in a heart beat. Not that they aren't worth the money they are asking now, BUT you're talking to a retired airline pilot who just lost 60% of his retirement.
Se-la-vie
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
| | - The Matronics Yak-List Email Forum - | | | Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List |
|
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum
|
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
|
Get Email Distribution Too!
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
