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Chris In Marshfield

Joined: 26 May 2006
Posts: 87

Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 1:51 pm Post subject: CH801 Glide Ratio?

Hi all,



I haven't been able to find any number on this during my exhaustive searches and wondered if anyone has performed any tests that would provide any numbers to this regard.



I seem to recall reading in one or two places the the 801 sinks pretty quickly with no power.  What's your experience?



Thanks and best regards,

Chris

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Chris Owens
Waunakee, WI

davids601xl(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 5:58 pm Post subject: CH801 Glide Ratio?

Imagine, if you will, a brick!  All kidding aside, it

is not a glider and probably gets about 5 or 6 to one.

 Not published anywhere but I asked the question once

myself.  Here is the thing. You have hundreds more

places to put her down than you would an aircraft with

a better glide ratio.  And when you touch down you

will also be going much slower than you would be in a

good glider. 

just my 2 cents

David



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 Madison" <cowens(at)cnw.com>

 

 Hi all,

 

 I haven't been able to find any number on this

 during my exhaustive searches and wondered if anyone

 has performed any tests that would provide any

 numbers to this regard.

 

 I seem to recall reading in one or two places the

 the 801 sinks pretty quickly with no power.  What's

 your experience?

 

 Thanks and best regards,

 Chris

 

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 Still Dreaming of a CH801

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Chris In Marshfield

Joined: 26 May 2006
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 6:53 pm Post subject: Re: CH801 Glide Ratio?

Hi David,



Thanks for the reply.  "Brick" is pretty much what I figured.  But you're right about the possible landing spots for that one, though.  Seems like just about anywhere will do.  I took my first flight in one with a local EAA flyer last week, and it looks like it does all kinds of interesting things.



Much appreciated 



Best regards,

Chris

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Chris Owens
Waunakee, WI

n801bh(at)netzero.com
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:56 am Post subject: CH801 Glide Ratio?

The glide ratio for a Zenith 801 at close to gross weight is,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 2-1. Thats two feet down for every one foot forward, <G>  At least it sems like that. My guess is if a 172 has a ratio of 10-1 the 801 is about half that. In fact every time I see the shuttle land it reminds me of ol N801BH. 

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Ben Haas

N801BH

www.haaspowerair.com



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Hi all,



I haven't been able to find any number on this during my exhaustive searches and wondered if anyone has performed any tests that would provide any numbers to this regard.



I seem to recall reading in one or two places the the 801 sinks pretty quickly with no power.  What's your experience?



Thanks and best regards,

Chris



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Waunakee, WI





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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:02 am Post subject: CH801 Glide Ratio?

Hi

  

 I tried figuring this out last  nigh so I went flying.  At 68 mph with no power I was dropping  850'/min.  68 mph is 100'/sec or 6000'/min.  That is a glide  ratio of 7:1.  I do have 8.50x6 tires on the mains which is probably  bigger than the 8.00's every body else has.  Coming from a background of  flying a Tri-pacer with large tires the glide ratio looks  familiar.    

  

 When I'm flying over water I figure for every 1000'  I'm up I can glide a mile.  Heck at 7:1, I may have enough altitude to fly  a pattern.  

  

 As my buddy says "this ain't no Cessna".  If  you want Cessna performance, you should buy a Cessna!

  

 Bill Wilcox

 N801BW

 Valdez, AK

 Finally flying after fixing what I broke.   Soon to be on floats.

 260 Hrs

Chris In Marshfield

Joined: 26 May 2006
Posts: 87

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 1:12 pm Post subject: Re: CH801 Glide Ratio?

Hi Bill,



Thanks for taking the time to run the numbers.  That's good information to have as I assemble my plan of attack.  Seems like you've got to keep on your toes with this one if you lose the big spinner 



Valdez, eh?  A good friend of mine, Andy Prince, is from Valdez.  He's living in Portland at the moment.  His mom worked for the pipeline services last I recall, and I thought he said his dad was a pilot.  Small world 



Best regards,

Chris

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Waunakee, WI

Chris In Marshfield

Joined: 26 May 2006
Posts: 87

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:32 am Post subject: Re: CH801 Glide Ratio?

I received a note this morning from Dave Zilz, a young man whose 801 recently lost an engine during flight.  At his best estimate, the aircraft sunk at about 2.3:1, only traveling about 1.5 miles from 3500 feet.



My favorite quote from his message:



"My lesson learned is that the 801 wants to fly, but it also wants to land."



Another true believer in "look for a place to land beneath you, not in front of you."



Best regards,

Chris

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Chris Owens
Waunakee, WI

ggower_99(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:14 am Post subject: CH801 Glide Ratio?

Chris,

   

  There are 5 very important things to do in any engine out landing (any airplane):

   

  1.- Keep calm and choose your landing area as close as possible (practical, good judgement, L/D to spare),  you can side slip to loose altitude, nothing to do (but wish for a huge thermal:-)  to gain any altitude.

   

  2.- Fly the airplane all the way down to touch down, even if you dont like the landing place, No way to hold it up, just will spin or pancake down.

   

  3.  Practice, if possible in all your "normal" landings  to glide it down in idle to the numbers,  the more you practice, the less "engine help" you will need to land it short.  With the prop stoped any plane will glide a little better (this is a bonus).



  4.-  Practice.  Make every flight  a training for better flying. 

  Good  reading:  http://www.airbum.com/articles/Proficiency35HrsYr.html

   

  5.-  Practice. The better you aproach and land every day, the better you will perform any emergency landing (if ever happens).  

  Good reading:  http://www.airbum.com/articles/Article100Secrets.html

   

  There was a dicussion (hangar talk)  a few weeks ago, here at the Club.   The "messure" for pilots proficiency should be in how many landings he performs, not hours flown...   

   

  By the way, I admire Mr Budd Davisson...  Hope I had enough experience to take his Pitts flying/landing training course...  Sorry, I am hours (landings) away!

  http://www.airbum.com/pitts.html

   

  Hope this helps

   

  Saludos

  Gary Gower.

  Flying from Chapala, Mexico.

  Hope reading and learning could make a good pilot, Practice is needed...

  

Chris In Madison <cowens(at)cnw.com> wrote:

  [quote]--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris In Madison" 



Hi David,



Thanks for the reply. "Brick" is pretty much what I figured. But you're right about the possible landing spots for that one, though. Seems like just about anywhere will do. I took my first flight in one with a local EAA flyer last week, and it looks like it does all kinds of interesting things.



Much appreciated 



Best regards,

Chris



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Chris

ch601xl(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:58 am Post subject: CH801 Glide Ratio?

Well said Gary.

do not archive



On 7/12/06, Gary Gower <ggower_99(at)yahoo.com (ggower_99(at)yahoo.com)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
		   Chris,

   

  There are 5 very important things to do in any engine out landing (any airplane):

   

  1.- Keep calm and choose your landing area as close as possible (practical, good judgement, L/D to spare),  you can side slip to loose altitude, nothing to do (but wish for a huge thermal:-)  to gain any altitude. 

   

  2.- Fly the airplane all the way down to touch down, even if you dont like the landing place, No way to hold it up, just will spin or pancake down.

   

  3.  Practice, if possible in all your "normal" landings  to glide it down in idle to the numbers,  the more you practice, the less "engine help" you will need to land it short.  With the prop stoped any plane will glide a little better (this is a bonus). 



  4.-  Practice.  Make every flight  a training for better flying. 

  Good  reading:  http://www.airbum.com/articles/Proficiency35HrsYr.html

   

   5.-  Practice. The better you aproach and land every day, the better you will perform any emergency landing (if ever happens).  

  Good reading:   http://www.airbum.com/articles/Article100Secrets.html

   

  There was a dicussion (hangar talk)  a few weeks ago, here at the Club.   The "messure" for pilots proficiency should be in how many landings he performs, not hours flown...    

   

  By the way, I admire Mr Budd Davisson...  Hope I had enough experience to take his Pitts flying/landing training course...  Sorry, I am hours (landings) away!

   http://www.airbum.com/pitts.html

   

  Hope this helps

   

  Saludos

  Gary Gower.

  Flying from Chapala, Mexico.

  Hope reading and learning could make a good pilot, Practice is needed... 



  

Chris In Madison <cowens(at)cnw.com (cowens(at)cnw.com)> wrote:

   

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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris In Madison" 



 

Hi David,



Thanks for the reply. "Brick" is pretty much what I figured. But you're right about the possible landing spots for that one, though. Seems like just about anywhere will do. I took my first flight in one with a local EAA flyer last week, and it looks like it does all kinds of interesting things. 



Much appreciated 



Best regards,

Chris



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Chris 

	


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Christopher W. E. Smith

fly1m1

http://ch-601xl.com

szutoman(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:46 pm Post subject: CH801 Glide Ratio?

Spoke with a good friend about this topict in Ill.  He took me up in his plane and showed this engine out landings and practices it often.  What he said that was interesting  "if you should have to land in farm fields stay away from Soybean Fields, as they can tangle in the landing gear and flip the plane over."

  He recommends landing in corn fields, most times the plane will get beat up but not flip.

   

  Jim



Christopher Smith <ch601xl(at)gmail.com> wrote:

   	  Quote: 	
		  Well said Gary.

do not archive



  On 7/12/06, Gary Gower <ggower_99(at)yahoo.com (ggower_99(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:    	  Quote: 	
		       Chris,

   

  There are 5 very important things to do in any engine out landing (any airplane):

   

  1.- Keep calm and choose your landing area as close as possible (practical, good judgement, L/D to spare),  you can side slip to loose altitude, nothing to do (but wish for a huge thermal:-)  to gain any altitude. 

   

  2.- Fly the airplane all the way down to touch down, even if you dont like the landing place, No way to hold it up, just will spin or pancake down.

   

  3.  Practice, if possible in all your "normal" landings  to glide it down in idle to the numbers,  the more you practice, the less "engine help" you will need to land it short.  With the prop stoped any plane will glide a little better (this is a bonus). 



  4.-  Practice.  Make every flight  a training for better flying. 

   Good reading:  http://www.airbum.com/articles/Proficiency35HrsYr.html

   

  5.-  Practice. The better you aproach and land every day, the better you will perform any emergency landing (if ever happens).  

  Good reading:  http://www.airbum.com/articles/Article100Secrets.html

   

  There was a dicussion (hangar talk)  a few weeks ago, here at the Club.   The "messure" for pilots proficiency should be in how many landings he performs, not hours flown...    

   

  By the way, I admire Mr Budd Davisson...  Hope I had enough experience to take his Pitts  flying/landing training course...  Sorry, I am hours (landings) away!

  http://www.airbum.com/pitts.html

   

  Hope this helps

   

  Saludos

  Gary Gower.

  Flying from Chapala, Mexico.

  Hope reading and learning could make a good pilot, Practice is needed... 



    

Chris In Madison <cowens(at)cnw.com (cowens(at)cnw.com)> wrote:



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  Hi David,



Thanks for the reply. "Brick" is pretty  much what I figured. But you're right about the possible landing spots for that one, though. Seems like just about anywhere will do. I took my first flight in one with a local EAA flyer last week, and it looks like it does all kinds of interesting things. 



Much appreciated 



Best regards,

Chris



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fly1m1

http://ch-601xl.com 	


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Doug Garrou

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 18
Location: Richmond, VA, USA

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:19 am Post subject: CH801 Glide Ratio?

Ack!  Since he sent you the note and appeared to be in good spirits, I trust he got down okay.  What were the circumstances?  Fuel starvation, engine failure, type of engine, etc.?  Extent of damage?



Thanks!



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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:54 am Post subject: CH801 Glide Ratio?

WHAT KIND OF ENGINE?

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