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Ralph Hoover
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First Flight! July 8th, 2006 Since first lesson August 6th, 2005! Little money, lots of time. 19 hours of actual instruction.
Today I experienced the most frightening / exciting / emotional forty -five minutes of my life to date! knowing that going in, how could one describe the feelings of fear, exeleration and excitement balled up, if you will in a period of time that seemed like forever and yet less than a moment to reflect back upon?
My intent, deep inside was to avoid the actual “take-off” of my Firestar, but yet come to the edge of where lift-off might exist. Knowing that my tail dragger and the Challenger had two-different modes of operendi, I knew that I didn’t want to mistake what felt like lift or climb to actually become lift or climb. My PIC, whom by the way was not there at the time, stated: “If, when your practicing your taxiing, the Kolb lifts off, make a decision, how much field is left and decide if you need to fly or make a close relationship with the soy field ahead. I chose to lift!
Immediately after my decision, I thought: “stupid, you didn’t have to make this move , at this time , in this plane, here today”. My heart began pounding, the plane wanted to lift like I have never felt, but was sought to “Power forward and lift”. At this point, I am at the end of the runway and climbing unlike I had at any time in the Challenger, with PIC aboard. Altimeter reading 1600 feet ASL. How is that, out of the chute, way before I was prior in the Challenger at twice the distance? Obviously, faulty instruments, correct when I am back on the ground. All my training comes into play: Gain altitude, keep airspeed above stall (stall, both mechanical and electrical ASI indicate way below stall, what gives?) Look down at the Garmin, which I installed at this time , not for flight but for shake down, was stating 34 MPH (ground speed). Crap, I need to crank forward and gain some speed and altitude. What am I thinking? I have been flying this pattern so many times, its imbedded in my memory so deep that......Where is the field? Darned it, its only a six mile circular pattern, where is....OH! Whew! There is the field. Thank God. Wow, can’t do anything about it now, its way to close, and I’m way to high. Oh well, next round.
Right wing rears up, CRAP! Right Aileron and a little left rudder, string went to the right, left rudder (stand away from the string). Now level, whops first turn, now down wind, yet really no wind, why is plane acting funny? What do I know about plane acting funny, this is the first time I have flown it? Getting mad and scared, common sense levels in. I have to make some choices; I am where I should be, at the altitude I should be by: WHAT.? AN ADDITIONAL 1,000 FEET, how did that happen, throttle back, leveling off, now at 2200 feet ASL. Need to get down to 1600 feet without loosing much air speed. God, Are you there? Work with me here God, This isn’t what I would have chosen as my mode of operendi, but here it is on my plate.....HELP!
First attempt to land: way too high, way too fast. Go around! Second attempt to land: still a little high, still too much speed. Third attempt: right height, speed a little fast, but I can dump that in time.....OH CRAP , What was that, left wing up, right aileron down, plane acted a tad bit funny. Where ok now, pul stick back, crank engine up, way to many things happening! Towers below, wind causing me to crab really bad, altitude way too high, so many things mounting up way to quickly! STOP! Think! What is the way you were taught? Calmly, gently on the stick. Forget that you have no idea how fast you are going. Ignore that flashing light on the panel stating EGT way too high! Think, one EGT reading that far off, obviously a wire crossed. ASI lamp blinking, expect that, the stupid ASI isn’t reading correctly. You know the feeling. If the bottom begins falling out, push forward on the stick, DO NOT PULL BACK! Back in control, as much control as I could possibly have at this point. God! you are still with me, aren’t you? Of course, if I drop, well, In heaven with Him, I will be. But that would not be His choice, for me at this time in this place, Thank you Jesus!
What is thta little dot on the field? Lets see, 400 feet on final AGL, Airspeed, no idea, but feels (what the “H” do I know about feel in a Kolb), since I have never felt a Kolb before? Oh well, I believe that this feels and looks like where I had been before in the Challenger at this altitude, at this feeling (read speed) and Dave is standing at the 1/4 field length guiding me in. STUPID! GET OFF THE FIELD! That didn’t do anything. Dave is moving his right hand flat in an up and down motion. Ah-ha! Cut throttle, forward stick, line up with the field, WHOO! a gust, right aileron down, right rudder slow, slow pull back, pull back some more, there thump, wheels on the ground. Stick all the way back, whoa, now I have ground control, speed bleeding off, stopped at half field. Job done!
Now after hugs and pats on the back. I take the Kolb to the hanger. Shaking along the way. thank you Lord!
Thank you Dave. Thank you instructor Andy. I asked these guys: “did you ever forget the feeling of your first flight”? Apparently NOT! Now I understand the N.V.M.of S. phrase that God gave me!
Rip goes the shirt!
Going back again tomorrow. Lot more to learn but who, but those that have been what we have been through, could possibly understand?
Calmed like the sea....Ralph of Ohio!
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:28 pm Post subject: First Flight Shaking Ralph of Ohio! |
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Congratulations Ralph! Sounds real similar to my first flight in the MkIII. It definitely gets better and better from here. As my Aussie buddies say, "Good on ya, mate."
Rick
On 7/8/06, Ralph Hoover <flht99reh(at)columbus.rr.com (flht99reh(at)columbus.rr.com)> wrote: | Quote: | --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh(at)Columbus.rr.com (flht99reh(at)Columbus.rr.com)>
First Flight! July 8th, 2006 Since first lesson August 6th, 2005! Little money, lots of time. 19 hours of actual instruction.
Today I experienced the most frightening / exciting / emotional forty -five minutes of my life to date! knowing that going in, how could one describe the feelings of fear, exeleration and excitement balled up, if you will in a period of time that seemed like forever and yet less than a moment to reflect back upon?
My intent, deep inside was to avoid the actual "take-off" of my Firestar, but yet come to the edge of where lift-off might exist. Knowing that my tail dragger and the Challenger had two-different modes of operendi, I knew that I didn't want to mistake what felt like lift or climb to actually become lift or climb. My PIC, whom by the way was not there at the time, stated: "If, when your practicing your taxiing, the Kolb lifts off, make a decision, how much field is left and decide if you need to fly or make a close relationship with the soy field ahead. I chose to lift!
Immediately after my decision, I thought: "stupid, you didn't have to make this move , at this time , in this plane, here today". My heart began pounding, the plane wanted to lift like I have never felt, but was sought to "Power forward and lift". At this point, I am at the end of the runway and climbing unlike I had at any time in the Challenger, with PIC aboard. Altimeter reading1600 feet ASL. How is that, out of the chute, way before I was prior in the Challenger at twice the distance? Obviously, faulty instruments, correct when I am back on the ground.All my training comes into play: Gain altitude, keep airspeed above stall (stall, both mechanical and electrical ASI indicate way below stall, what gives?)Look down at the Garmin, which I installed at this time , not for flight but for shake down, was stating 34 MPH (ground speed). Crap, I need to crank forward and gain some speed and altitude.What am I thinking? I have been flying this pattern so many tim!
es, its imbedded in my memory so deep that......Where is the field? Darned it, its only a six mile circular pattern, where is....OH! Whew! There is the field. Thank God. Wow, can't do anything about it now, its way to close, and I'm way to high. Oh well, next round.
Right wing rears up, CRAP! Right Aileron and a little left rudder, string went to the right, left rudder (stand away from the string). Now level, whops first turn, now down wind, yet really no wind, why is plane acting funny? What do I know about plane acting funny, this is the first time I have flown it?Getting mad and scared, common sense levels in. I have to make some choices; I am where I should be, at the altitude I should be by: WHAT.?AN ADDITIONAL 1,000 FEET, how did that happen, throttle back, leveling off, now at 2200 feet ASL. Need to get down to 1600 feet without loosing much air speed. God, Are you there? Work with me here God, This isn't what I would have chosen as my mode of operendi, but here it is on my plate.....HELP!
First attempt to land: way too high, way too fast. Go around! Second attempt to land: still a little high, still too much speed. Third attempt: right height, speed a little fast, but I can dump that in time.....OH CRAP , What was that, left wing up, right aileron down, plane acted a tad bit funny. Where ok now, pul stick back, crank engine up, way to many things happening!Towers below, wind causing me to crab really bad, altitude way too high, so many things mounting up way to quickly! STOP! Think! What is the way you were taught? Calmly, gently on the stick. Forget that you have no idea how fast you are going. Ignore thatflashing light on the panel statingEGT way too high! Think, one EGT reading that far off, obviously a wire crossed. ASI lamp blinking, expect that, the stupid ASI isn't reading correctly. You know the feeling. If the bottom begins falling out, push forward on the stick, DO NOT PULL BACK!Back in control, as much control as I could possibly have a!
t this point. God! you are still with me, aren't you?Of course, if I drop, well, In heaven with Him, I will be. But that would not be His choice, for me at this time in this place, Thank you Jesus!
What is thta little dot on the field? Lets see, 400 feet on final AGL, Airspeed, no idea, but feels (what the "H" do I know about feel in a Kolb), since I have never felt a Kolb before? Oh well, I believe that this feels and looks like where I had been before in the Challenger at this altitude, at this feeling (read speed) and Dave is standing at the 1/4 field length guiding me in. STUPID! GET OFF THE FIELD!That didn't do anything. Dave is moving his right hand flat in an up and down motion. Ah-ha! Cut throttle, forward stick, line up with the field, WHOO! a gust, right aileron down, right rudder slow, slow pull back, pull back some more, there thump, wheels on the ground. Stick all the way back, whoa, now I have ground control, speed bleeding off, stopped at half field. Job done!
Now after hugs and pats on the back. I take the Kolb to the hanger. Shaking along the way.thank you Lord!
Thank you Dave. Thank you instructor Andy.I asked these guys: "did you ever forget the feeling of your first flight"? Apparently NOT! Now I understand the N.V.M.of S. phrase that God gave me!
Rip goes the shirt!
Going back again tomorrow. Lot more to learn but who, but those that have been what we have been through, could possibly understand?
Calmed like the sea....Ralph of Ohio!
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:20 pm Post subject: First Flight Shaking Ralph of Ohio! |
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Ralph, sounds like you had enough excitement for one day.
Welcome to the flying flockers of Kolbdom.
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On 8, Jul 2006, at 8:04 PM, Ralph Hoover wrote:
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First Flight! July 8th, 2006 Since first lesson August 6th, 2005!
Little money, lots of time. 19 hours of actual instruction.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 6:25 pm Post subject: Re: First Flight Shaking Ralph of Ohio! |
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Way to go Ralph !
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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| Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 3:06 am Post subject: First Flight Shaking Ralph of Ohio! |
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Congratulations Ralph I know the feeling like it just happened yesterday one could not forget that day no matter how many times you get to try a new one out
wishing you many enjoyable hours of pure flying in your Kolb
Ellery in Maine
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| Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 3:40 am Post subject: First Flight Shaking Ralph of Ohio! |
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Great stuff Ralph.
Congratulations.
Pat
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| Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:12 am Post subject: First Flight Shaking Ralph of Ohio! |
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Ralph
THANKS FOR SHARING My heart was pounding as I went through your post!
Brought back memories of my first flight in a Hummer.
Congratulations!!!!!!!!
Uncle Craig
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First Flight! July 8th, 2006 Since first lesson August 6th, 2005!
Little money, lots of time. 19 hours of actual instruction.
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Mike Schnabel
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| Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 9:15 am Post subject: First Flight Shaking Ralph of Ohio! |
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Way to go Ralph! Great description of that first liftoff!
Mike S
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Ralph Hoover <flht99reh(at)columbus.rr.com> wrote:
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First Flight! July 8th, 2006 Since first lesson August 6th, 2005! Little money, lots of time. 19 hours of actual instruction.
Today I experienced the most frightening / exciting / emotional forty -five minutes of my life to date! knowing that going in, how could one describe the feelings of fear, exeleration and excitement balled up, if you will in a period of time that seemed like forever and yet less than a moment to reflect back upon?
My intent, deep inside was to avoid the actual “take-off” of my Firestar, but yet come to the edge of where lift-off might exist. Knowing that my tail dragger and the Challenger had two-different modes of operendi, I knew that I didn’t want to mistake what felt like lift or climb to actually become lift or climb. My PIC, whom by the way was not there at the time, stated: “If, when your practicing your taxiing, the Kolb lifts off, make a decision, how much field is left and decide if you need to fly or make a close relationship with the soy field ahead. I chose to lift!
Immediately after my decision, I thought: “stupid, you didn’t have to make this move , at this time , in this plane, here today”. My heart began pounding, the plane wanted to lift like I have never felt, but was sought to “Power forward and lift”. At this point, I am at the end of the runway and climbing unlike I had at any time in the Challenger, with PIC aboard. Altimeter reading 1600 feet ASL. How is that, out of the chute, way before I was prior in the Challenger at twice the distance? Obviously, faulty instruments, correct when I am back on the ground. All my training comes into play: Gain altitude, keep airspeed above stall (stall, both mechanical and electrical ASI indicate way below stall, what gives?) Look down at the Garmin, which I installed at this time , not for flight but for shake down, was stating 34 MPH (ground speed). Crap, I need to crank forward and gain some speed and altitude. What am I thinking? I have been flying this pattern so many tim!
es, its imbedded in my memory so deep that......Where is the field? Darned it, its only a six mile circular pattern, where is....OH! Whew! There is the field. Thank God. Wow, can’t do anything about it now, its way to close, and I’m way to high. Oh well, next round.
Right wing rears up, CRAP! Right Aileron and a little left rudder, string went to the right, left rudder (stand away from the string). Now level, whops first turn, now down wind, yet really no wind, why is plane acting funny? What do I know about plane acting funny, this is the first time I have flown it? Getting mad and scared, common sense levels in. I have to make some choices; I am where I should be, at the altitude I should be by: WHAT.? AN ADDITIONAL 1,000 FEET, how did that happen, throttle back, leveling off, now at 2200 feet ASL. Need to get down to 1600 feet without loosing much air speed. God, Are you there? Work with me here God, This isn’t what I would have chosen as my mode of operendi, but here it is on my plate.....HELP!
First attempt to land: way too high, way too fast. Go around! Second attempt to land: still a little high, still too much speed. Third attempt: right height, speed a little fast, but I can dump that in time.....OH CRAP , What was that, left wing up, right aileron down, plane acted a tad bit funny. Where ok now, pul stick back, crank engine up, way to many things happening! Towers below, wind causing me to crab really bad, altitude way too high, so many things mounting up way to quickly! STOP! Think! What is the way you were taught? Calmly, gently on the stick. Forget that you have no idea how fast you are going. Ignore that flashing light on the panel stating EGT way too high! Think, one EGT reading that far off, obviously a wire crossed. ASI lamp blinking, expect that, the stupid ASI isn’t reading correctly. You know the feeling. If the bottom begins falling out, push forward on the stick, DO NOT PULL BACK! Back in control, as much control as I could possibly have a!
t this point. God! you are still with me, aren’t you? Of course, if I drop, well, In heaven with Him, I will be. But that would not be His choice, for me at this time in this place, Thank you Jesus!
What is thta little dot on the field? Lets see, 400 feet on final AGL, Airspeed, no idea, but feels (what the “H” do I know about feel in a Kolb), since I have never felt a Kolb before? Oh well, I believe that this feels and looks like where I had been before in the Challenger at this altitude, at this feeling (read speed) and Dave is standing at the 1/4 field length guiding me in. STUPID! GET OFF THE FIELD! That didn’t do anything. Dave is moving his right hand flat in an up and down motion. Ah-ha! Cut throttle, forward stick, line up with the field, WHOO! a gust, right aileron down, right rudder slow, slow pull back, pull back some more, there thump, wheels on the ground. Stick all the way back, whoa, now I have ground control, speed bleeding off, stopped at half field. Job done!
Now after hugs and pats on the back. I take the Kolb to the hanger. Shaking along the way. thank you Lord!
Thank you Dave. Thank you instructor Andy. I asked these guys: “did you ever forget the feeling of your first flight”? Apparently NOT! Now I understand the N.V.M.of S. phrase that God gave me!
Rip goes the shirt!
Going back again tomorrow. Lot Get on board. [url=http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=40791/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/handraisers]You're invited[/url] to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 9:49 am Post subject: First Flight Shaking Ralph of Ohio! |
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Congratulations Ralph!!!! Thanks for sharing.
Sounds like you may have a static source issue with your air speed
indicator. Check the archives for options. I disconnected the tube from my
static source pick up and just used the cockpit pressure as a static source.
It works much better than the static source I was using.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
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Ralph Hoover
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| Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:48 am Post subject: Re: First Flight Shaking Ralph of Ohio! |
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Sounds like you may have a static source issue with your air speed
indicator. Check the archives for options. I disconnected the tube from my
static source pick up and just used the cockpit pressure as a static source.
It works much better than the static source I was using.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
Yes Rick ,and the funny thing is I asked Kolb a couple times why I might be getting mis-readings. They suggested that I feed the static tube out between the plastic nose at the rear and the rest of the material, at the side. To me, this seemed to act more like an "atomiser" pick-up nozzle and would creater a greater differencial than what pressurized the input (Pitot). I believe your right. I need to disconnect the static line inside the cabin and see what happens. I will say that both (since they were connected to the same inlet and outlets), read exactly the same, but most assuradly not the actual. Scarry at that time since everyone knows air speed and altitude are critical any time let alone "First Flight"! And something besides first flight; This was not just my first flight in a Kolb solo, It was literally my first flight solo, et: nobody else in the plane, like the PIC to say, "I'll take from here"! I don't know, but this was as close as the saying by another brother Kolber: "earn your wings on the way down"!
Thank you all for your acknoledgment. Never knew it would be quite like that.
I was supprised in all that read my story no one asked what God gving me the N.V.M. of S. stood for!
And I want to thank this site and every member of the Kolb Family for their input, wisdom, kindness and out-there-way, even though they probably mentioned the same advise a hundred times before and didn't stick it in my face. You all know who you are. I am truely Blessed to have Family like you.
Tear'ry-eyed in Ohio Ralph!
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Richard Pike
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| Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 12:20 pm Post subject: First Flight Shaking Ralph of Ohio! |
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I wondered about that. My guess was
"N - Voluntary - Medal of Stupidity"?
(because the Lord gives me a lot of those...)
Probably not close, but how'd I do?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Ralph Hoover
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| Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 12:29 pm Post subject: Re: First Flight Shaking Ralph of Ohio! |
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Mr. Pike, not even close. But I don't want to spill the beans just yet. You will be plesently supprised, being a Preacher and all!
Humble Pie is good cold or warmed up here in Ohio!
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Dave Pelletier
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Location: Prescott, Arizona
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| Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:22 pm Post subject: First Flight Shaking Ralph of Ohio! |
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Sounds like you may have a static source issue with your air speed
indicator. Check the archives for options. I disconnected the tube from my
static source pick up and just used the cockpit pressure as a static
source.
It works much better than the static source I was using.
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Way back when I had my Firestar I took it completely apart to paint it.
When I put it back together I mistakenly connected the static tube.
Surprise, surprise, my lift off speed was 14 mph and cruise was around 35.
Someone then told me that you're supposed to leave the static line
disconnected.
AzDave
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GeoR38
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Location: The Villages, fl
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:27 pm Post subject: First Flight Shaking Ralph of Ohio! |
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ooooohhhhh, sorry I missed your flight Ralph of Ohio, but it just didn't work out after the Barb ershop show in Indianopolis. I will contact you a litle later and mebe be able to see you. Am still in Stow Ohio
George the Firestar driver from The Villages Fl
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