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Mark Phillips in TN



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:37 am    Post subject: IFR Panel Considerations Reply with quote
Howdy List!

This message is posted for a friend of mine building a REALLY nice RV-7.  He is instrument rated but it has been quite a few years since he has flown in the clouds, and now that it's time for him to plan & purchase his panel, he is pretty overwhelmed at all the stuff available today.  Not being instrument-rated myself, I really can't offer much advice, but many of you have recently gone through this process.  If anyone would be willing to send me a list of components you used or just advice on how you arrived at a basic but useful IFR panel, we'd both appreciate it!  Off-list would probably be best because I know for each suggestion there will be multiple disagreements and I'd really like to keep the discussion bandwidth as low as possible.

Also, we'd love to hear from folks who have recently had their panels done by one of the RV specialist panel builders such as SteinAir etc, as this may be one way to go, just not sure if the additional funds are in the cards at this point.

One last thing- he'd really like to see if this can be accomplished using new equipment and keep the cost under $15,000.  Possible?

Thanks!
Mark Phillips - do not archive

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:25 am    Post subject: IFR Panel Considerations Reply with quote
I will violate your reply rules by posting it here.

I see little use in ADF. A panel mounted GPS with approaches
is probably a must. WAAS functionality should be considered.
Units that fit this are the Garmin GNS 430/530 or equivalent
from other makers (if that exists).

Then it is a matter of whether a Dynon like system is LEGAL
from a artificial horizon point of view. The rest seems simple.

Of course you can add redundant avionics but then you get pricey.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:31 am    Post subject: IFR Panel Considerations Reply with quote
Mark,
 
My panel is IFR in my -6 and I it can be seen in the Chief aircraft catalog for quite some time now.  Just inside the front cover.  I would love to see this conversation take place on the list however, as there are newer ideas than what I did.  Not going to change mine, but still interesting.
 
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Plus the standard 6 pack of flight instruments.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:30 pm    Post subject: IFR Panel Considerations Reply with quote
Dynon or bluemountain (bluemountain gives you the GPS,
so I'd go that way, personally) $3-$4K
TWO Radios are a must..Garmin SL30, SL40 $5000
VOR/LOC/GS head Garmin MD-200 $1500
Turn coordinator (makes a great backup for keeping the
wings level $500
PS Engineering PM8000B audio panel $1500
Garmin GTX-327 $1800
Autopilot? Trio $1700

Depending on the engine monitor, you could keep it
under $15,000 but it would be tough.

By all means, have John Stark or Stein do the
wiring..I've got products from both, and both are
excellent resources. DO NOT do the wiring yourself
IMHO, for an IFR panel. Not that it can't be done,
but when you've done it yourself on your first plane,
and then you see the quality of work they do, you'll
be glad you did, trust me!

Paul Besing
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Howdy List!

This message is posted for a friend of mine building
a REALLY nice RV-7. He
is instrument rated but it has been quite a few
years since he has flown in
the clouds, and now that it's time for him to plan &
purchase his panel, he is
pretty overwhelmed at all the stuff available today.
Not being
instrument-rated myself, I really can't offer much
advice, but many of you have recently gone
through this process. If anyone would be willing to
send me a list of
components you used or just advice on how you
arrived at a basic but useful IFR
panel, we'd both appreciate it! Off-list would
probably be best because I know
for each suggestion there will be multiple
disagreements and I'd really like to
keep the discussion bandwidth as low as possible.

Also, we'd love to hear from folks who have recently
had their panels done by
one of the RV specialist panel builders such as
SteinAir etc, as this may be
one way to go, just not sure if the additional funds
are in the cards at this
point.

One last thing- he'd really like to see if this can
be accomplished using new
equipment and keep the cost under $15,000.
Possible?

Thanks!
Mark Phillips - do not archive



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:18 pm    Post subject: IFR Panel Considerations Reply with quote
At 03:29 PM 7/14/2006, you wrote:
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Dynon or bluemountain (bluemountain gives you the GPS,
so I'd go that way, personally) $3-$4K

I just reviewed the Blue Mountain FAQ and EFIS/ONE brochure and did not
see where it offers approached certified GPS capability. If it does not
then add
one for that functionality.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:25 pm    Post subject: IFR Panel Considerations Reply with quote
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Dynon or bluemountain (bluemountain gives you the GPS,
so I'd go that way, personally) $3-$4K


I just scrolled further down the FAQ and found that the Blue Mountain EFIS
does NOT provide certified GPS approach capability.  Thus you would have
add that (unknown cost).  Actually VOR and ILS will get you most places
but depending upon Possible phase-down of those systems in favor of GPS/WAAS you
may find your approach options limited sometime in the future.

Q: Is EFIS/One certified for GPS approaches?

On the advice of our most trusted avionics dealer and partner, we have decided not to pursue it. For what it will cost to do TSO C129A testing and certification, we'd have to raise the price of the EFIS by more than the cost of a high-volume certified unit. We think it's a better deal to have a reasonably priced glass cockpit, and the interconnect available for those who want to fly GPS approaches. If you have a certified GPS, you can plug it in to drive the flight director and autopilot in approach mode.

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