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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:03 am    Post subject: Matt Dralle Why are we Reply with quote

 
My two cents.  This forum is for all  Kolb people.  I will put my airplane skills against any ( except John H.)  However I'm a computer nerd. I can handle plain e-mail and such, but  not  talk about URL's , XYZ's, PDQ's and all the other gibberish computer know it alls throw out there.  When they quit using vacuum tubes, I got lost.  I repeat, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't others out there who feel the same way.
Like David says below,  Quit looking a gift horse in the mouth !!!
Ray
Ultra Star  TN
 
 
 
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey(at)msn.com>

I don't complain much about free services.

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From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Matt Dralle – Why are we using this antiquated
system

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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:02:05 -0700

--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>

With all the talk lately about the size of file attachments and the
bandwidth they take I have to ask why are you still using such an
antiquated system of an email list.  The email system wastes a huge
amount

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when

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:17 am    Post subject: Matt Dralle Why are we Reply with quote

I can handle plain e-mail and such, but  not  talk about URL's , XYZ's, PDQ's a>>
 
Count me on your team.. Not really sure about the airplane skills though...
 
 
One real gripe though. Listers who WILL quote the entire post to which they are responding.  All they have to do is block the portion of the post referred to, copy and paste. Just as I have done above.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 9:40 am    Post subject: Re: Matt Dralle Why are we Reply with quote

rsanoa wrote:
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My two cents.? This forum is for all? Kolb people.? I will put my airplane skills against any ( except John H.)? However I'm a computer nerd. I can handle plain e-mail and such, but??not ?talk about URL's , XYZ's, PDQ's and all the other gibberish computer know it alls throw out there.? When they quit using vacuum tubes, I got lost.? I repeat, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't others out there who feel the same way.
Like David says below,? Quit looking a gift horse in the mouth !!!
Ray


In just one day, my thread was broken into 11 different threads thanks to this antiquated email system. It makes a mess out of the topics in both this forum and the email list... You say if it isn't broke don't fix it, but it is very apparent that you would not recognize broke even if it hit you over the head.

How many posts have their been on the size of file attachments recently ? It is obviously a problem even if most are not honest enough to admit it.

This is the only list that I know of where people are having to still type "do naught archive" to avoid cluttering an antiquated system.

Just because this forum is free does not mean that it should never be fixed or improved. There are hundreds free of forums on the net, and none of them have these issues. What I see here is a bunch of " I'm to old and set in my ways to ever accept change " rather than having any kind understanding regarding these problems.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 10:29 am    Post subject: Matt Dralle Why are we Reply with quote

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>>There are hundreds free of forums on the net, and
none of them have these issues<<<<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

 
Mike, if your so enamored with all these other "forums" do yourself, and frankly, all of us a favor, and flame them... not Matt D and all of us. Matt has done an outstanding job here, and if it does not meet your hypertech requirements, just go away. But as a one time famous cartoon rabbit named Bugs Bunny once said,....
 
"Don’t go away mad, just go away!"
 
Live and let live brother, life is really not as hard as your trying to make it.
 
Matt, if you’re reading, your work is really excellent, and very much APPRECIATED by some of your lister!
 
Mike S
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rsanoa wrote:
Quote:
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My two cents.? This forum is for all? Kolb people.? I will put my airplane skills against any ( except John H.)? However I'm a computer nerd. I can handle plain e-mail and such, but??not ?talk about URL's , XYZ's, PDQ's and all the other gibberish computer know it alls throw out there.? When they quit using vacuum tubes, I got lost.? I repeat, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't others out there who feel the same way.
Like David says below,? Quit looking a gift horse in the mouth !!!
Ray



In just one day, my thread was broken into 11 different threads thanks to this antiquated email system. It makes a mess out of the topics in both this forum and the email list... You say if it isn't broke don't fix it, but it is very apparent that you would not recognize broke even if it hit you over the head.

How many posts have their been on the size of file attachments recently ? It is obviously a problem even if most are not honest enough to admit it.

This is the only list that I know of where people are having to still type "do naught archive" to avoid cluttering an antiquated system.

Just because this forum is free does not mean that it should never be fixed or improved. There are hundreds free of forums on the net, and none of them have these issues. What I see here is a bunch of " I'm to old and set in my ways to ever accept See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. [url=http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=40762/*http://www.yahoo.com/preview] Check it out.[/url]


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 10:29 am    Post subject: Matt Dralle Why are we Reply with quote

Still complaining about free stuff?
Still acting like a victim?
Then write one yourself.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 10:37 am    Post subject: Matt Dralle Why are we Reply with quote

What I see here is a bunch of " I'm to old and set in my ways to
ever accept change " rather than having any kind understanding
regarding these problems.
|
| Michael A. Bigelow
Michael:

I have kept quiet about this crap since it started. Guess I have
grown weary waiting for it to go away.

About time you took a break.

Some of us old farts like the way things are. We liked it this way
long before you came along, and we still like it the way it is.

I have a choice between the "old antiquated way" and the new BBS way.
Personally, I prefer the old way, although I do use both systems.

Try to understand and accept "others", the way we are. We certainly
are not going to change because of your rants. I have tried to
understand you, but I'm not doing a very good job. I certainly
appologize for that.

Recommend you make direct contact with Matt Dralle to air your
dislikes of his system.

BTW: For the most part, this Kolb List is not free. Most of us
donate a little every year, about December, to keep it on line. It
does not operate for free. Some members are either free loaders or do
not have the cash to donate. If I am broke when donation time comes
around, I won't donate either, but I will still be able to use these
systems.

For that matter, recommend complaints about the mechanics and
operation of the Kolb List "all" go bc to Matt.

Let's try and keep the subject line about Kolbs; building, flying,
etc. When you finish having yours built, then come back and tell us
all about it.

Time to get ready to fly to OSH. I will be leaving Gantt IAP next
Saturday. Should arrive OSH Sunday. Looks like I will be camping in
the UL area.

Take care,

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 10:45 am    Post subject: Matt Dralle Why are we Reply with quote

Michael, jet pilot or who ever you are,
 
Bug out and get lost.  My apologies to the rest of the Kolb gang for lowering myself to respond. But when 88, one can do that.
Ray
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JetPilot <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]--> Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot"
rsanoa wrote:
Quote:
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My two cents.? This forum is for all? Kolb people.? I will put my airplane skills against any ( except John H.)? However I'm a computer nerd. I can handle plain e-mail and such, but??not ?talk about URL's , XYZ's, PDQ's and all the other gibberish computer know it alls throw out there.? When they quit using vacuum tubes, I got lost.? I repeat, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't others out there who feel the same way.
Like David says below,? Quit looking a gift horse in the mouth !!!
Ray



In just one day, my thread was broken into 11 different threads thanks to this antiquated email system. It makes a mess out of the topics in both this forum and the email list... You say if it isn't broke don't fix it, but it is very apparent that you would not recognize broke even if it hit you over the head.

How many posts have their been on the size of file attachments recently ? It is obviously a problem even if most are not honest enough to admit it.

This is the only list that I know of where people are having to still type "do naught archive" to avoid cluttering an antiquated system.

Just because this forum is free does not mean that it should never be fixed or improved. There are hundreds free of forums on the net, and none of them have these issues. What I see here is a bunch of " I'm to old Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. [url=http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=36035/*http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ]Try it free.[/url]


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 11:27 am    Post subject: Matt Dralle Why are we Reply with quote

" I'm to old and set in my ways to ever accept change "

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Michael A. Bigelow

Yup! That's me. Congratulations, you're finally beginning to understand.
Keep working at it sir, and maybe, just maybe, one of these days you'll be
getting set in your ways - or is that already happening?????

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 1:51 pm    Post subject: Matt Dralle Why are we Reply with quote

In a message dated 7/16/2006 12:42:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, orcabonita(at)hotmail.com writes:
Quote:
Just because this forum is free does not mean that it should never be fixed or improved.   There are hundreds free of forums on the net, and none of them have these issues.  What I see here is a bunch of " I'm to old and set in my ways to ever accept change " rather than having any kind understanding regarding these problems.

Michael A. Bigelow



              Is that whining I here? You need to stick with the Lists, that are updated to your level! This list didn't need repairing before you joined it.  Can't you come up with something beneficial or positive to contribute ?????????     Am I the only one that feels this way??????
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 2:07 pm    Post subject: Matt Dralle Why are we Reply with quote

Ed,
 
You are not alone, I think the majority of us serious Kolb List readers agree with you!
 
Mike S
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Firestar2 503

DAquaNut(at)aol.com wrote:
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In a message dated 7/16/2006 12:42:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, orcabonita(at)hotmail.com writes:
Quote:
Just because this forum is free does not mean that it should never be fixed or improved.   There are hundreds free of forums on the net, and none of them have these issues.  What I see here is a bunch of " I'm to old and set in my ways to ever accept change " rather than having any kind understanding regarding these problems.

Michael A. Bigelow



              Is that whining I here? You need to stick with the Lists, that are updated to your level! This list didn't need repairing before you joined it.  Can't you come up with something beneficial or positive to contribute ?????????     Am I the only one that feels this way??????
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 2:19 pm    Post subject: Matt Dralle Why are we Reply with quote

At 02:49 PM 7/16/2006 Sunday, you wrote:
Quote:
In a message dated 7/16/2006 12:42:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, orcabonita(at)hotmail.com writes:
Just because this forum is free does not mean that it should never be fixed or improved. There are hundreds free of forums on the net, and none of them have these issues. What I see here is a bunch of " I'm to old and set in my ways to ever accept change " rather than having any kind understanding regarding these problems.

Michael A. Bigelow

Is that whining I here? You need to stick with the Lists, that are updated to your level! This list didn't need repairing before you joined it. Can't you come up with something beneficial or positive to contribute ????????? Am I the only one that feels this way??????

Ed Diebel ( Firefly #62)


Well, the thing that's ironic is that JetPilot's (Michael Bigelow) assertions are for the most part wrong. The reason his messages get fragmented so often is that there is a something about the email program that he uses that inserts non-standard characters into the email message and Subject line. When various people respond to his messages, different things happen. Sometimes, for example, with Eudora, the text in his subject is completely dropped as in my original reply to his message. In other cases (member's email applications), only the portion up to the bogus characters are kept. In still other cases the whole thing is kept. Fairly ironic that the vary thing Michael Bigelow complains about is caused by his antiquated and outdated email program. Hum...

And his remark about the "do n-ot archive" is completely without justification. No other system in the world has that functionality that I'm aware of. Its something I built for the convenience of members to use if that saw fit.

And I'm not sure what the "hundreds of other forums on the net" that are supposedly so superior to the offerings at Matronics are. Many are built on the vary same BBS Forum engine used at Matronics. Again, if you like getting your messages on the Web great, Matronics has a solution for that that works well. If you like receiving your List content via email, however, Matronics can't be beat (search engine, list browse, real time distribution, etc.)

Michael, please refrain from further rabble-rousing on this forum. You are not adding anything to the content here with these lines of discussion and we've already wasted plenty of bandwidth with this topic. Most of us here like the system we have and consider it very effective.

Nobody is forcing you stay or contribute - and in many cases most people here wish you would go away (overwhelming consensus via private email to me).

And here's another thought for you, Michael. Someone invites you over to their home for dinner and conversation. Last time I checked, I don't believe its considered proper form (forum) to talk about how crappy their food, furnishings, and house are. You are a very rude individual.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:32 pm    Post subject: Matt Dralle Why are we Reply with quote

As the second eldest Kolber, I whole-heartedly side with what I
discern as the Majority in saying to Matt: leave well enough alone.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:37 pm    Post subject: Matt Dralle Why are we Reply with quote

Matt / Mike B,<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
 
Matt, THANK YOU! Your forum is the best damn thing on the Internet, bar none. I still use the email version, but do visit the other BBS forum often. How the heck can anyone complain is far beyond my imagination! And I thought I was anal!
 
Mike B.... chill brother... and I don’t mean that to be aggressive or to antagonize you in any way. I would welcome you here at my place any day to share a cold beer and a few stories of flying. Are you up for such an invitation? Don’t take this list, or life even, so seriously. This list is a simple vehicle for sharing ideas and experiences.
 
Nothing written is meant to be posted for such astute critique as you seem to offer, if you don’t agree with something that’s written,  that’s fine, offer your opinion, but flames or major derogatory blasts against anyone’s opinion, are really not necessary.
 
Thanks for reading my rant, and by the way, I still have a cold beer for you (or any list member that is willing to travel), GPS coordinates are N 35°29.59, W 86°02.44 anytime you’re in the neighborhood, so let me know when you might be in town, and I will warm up the grill too!
 
Nuff said,....
 
Mike S
 
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Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> wrote:
[quote]--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle

At 02:49 PM 7/16/2006 Sunday, you wrote:
Quote:
In a message dated 7/16/2006 12:42:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, orcabonita(at)hotmail.com writes:
Just because this forum is free does not mean that it should never be fixed or improved. There are hundreds free of forums on the net, and none of them have these issues. What I see here is a bunch of " I'm to old and set in my ways to ever accept change " rather than having any kind understanding regarding these problems.

Michael A. Bigelow

Is that whining I here? You need to stick with the Lists, that are updated to your level! This list didn't need repairing before you joined it. Can't you come up with something beneficial or positive to contribute ????????? Am I the only one that feels this way??????

Ed Diebel ( Firefly #62)


Well, the thing that's ironic is that JetPilot's (Michael Bigelow) assertions are for the most part wrong. The reason his messages get fragmented so often is that there is a something about the email program that he uses that inserts non-standard characters into the email message and Subject line. When various people respond to his messages, different things happen. Sometimes, for example, with Eudora, the text in his subject is completely dropped as in my original reply to his message. In other cases (member's email applications), only the portion up to the bogus characters are kept. In still other cases the whole thing is kept. Fairly ironic that the vary thing Michael Bigelow complains about is caused by his antiquated and outdated email program. Hum...

And his remark about the "do n-ot archive" is completely without justification. No other system in the world has that functionality that I'm aware of. Its something I built for the convenience of members to use if that saw fit.

And I'm not sure what the "hundreds of other forums on the net" that are supposedly so superior to the offerings at Matronics are. Many are built on the vary same BBS Forum engine used at Matronics. Again, if you like getting your messages on the Web great, Matronics has a solution for that that works well. If you like receiving your List content via email, however, Matronics can't be beat (search engine, list browse, real time distribution, etc.)

Michael, please refrain from further rabble-rousing on this forum. You are not adding anything to the content here with these lines of discussion and we've already wasted plenty of bandwidth with this topic. Most of us here like the system we have and consider it very effective.

Nobody is forcing you stay or contribute - and in many cases most people here wish you would go away (overwhelming consensus via private email to me).

And here's another thought for you, Michael. Someone invites you over to their home for dinner and conversation. Last time I checked, I don't believe its considered proper form (forum) to talk about how crappy their food, furnishings, and house are. You are a very rude individual.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 4:01 pm    Post subject: Matt Dralle Why are we Reply with quote

JetPilot;
 
In one of your most recent posts, you stated,
 
"There are hundreds free of forums on the net,
and none of them have these issues."
 
I, for one, would gladly enjoy your presence at
anyone of those OTHER lists/forums, rather
than regret your continued use, and attempted
flaming of this one, that the majority of us DO
ENJOY.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 4:29 pm    Post subject: Matt Dralle Why are we Reply with quote

(or any list member that is willing to travel), GPS coordinates are
N 35°29.59, W 86°02.44 anytime you're in the neighborhood, so let me
know when you might be in town, and I will warm up the grill too!
|
| Mike S

Mike S/Gang:

Might be trying out your airstrip if I fly over towards Indianapolis,
IN, on my way to OSH. Still in the planning stage, which means,
"Can't make up my mind."

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:58 pm    Post subject: Matt Dralle Why are we Reply with quote

John,
I would encourage you to make the effort to vist Mikes place on your trip to
AirVenture. Having met Mike last Summer I can say that he is one of the
nicest Gentleman I have had the honor to meet.
Also, you would do him a great service to give him a ride or two in Miss
P-fer to acclimate him to his new bird.
On top of that his place looks fantasic on his Frappper sight.
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Eugene Zimmerman



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 6:27 pm    Post subject: Matt Dralle Why are we Reply with quote

On Jul 16, 2006, at 1:40 PM, JetPilot wrote:

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In just one day, my thread was broken into 11 different threads
thanks to this antiquated email system.


Mike,
"Thunderbird" is a good email program that can be downloaded free.
Try it, it should solve the broken thread problem you are having.

Just google "Thunderbird" for the free download.


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Dwight Kottke



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:18 am    Post subject: Matt Dralle Why are we Reply with quote

Right on Matt!  Well spoken.  Matt Dralle for Governor, hell we elected a professional wrestler here in Minnesota for a Governor, Matt Dralle for President!!!

The Flying Farmer

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Nobody is forcing you stay or contribute - and in many cases most people here wish you would go away (overwhelming consensus via private email to me).

And here's another thought for you, Michael.  Someone invites you over to their home for dinner and conversation.  Last time I checked, I don't believe its considered proper form (forum) to talk about how crappy their food, furnishings, and house are.  You are a very rude individual.  

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Mike Schnabel



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:22 am    Post subject: Matt Dralle Why are we Reply with quote

John,<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
 
It would be a great pleasure to have you "christen" my humble strip of grass, I have taxied all over her, but there still needs to be a legitimate take off and landing to occur!
 
I have double-checked the coordinates on Google Earth's website, and the numbers land directly in my back yard, so I am comfortable they are good. Actually they were plotted by Wade L. during a visit to check out my FS2 a few weeks ago, thanks Wade!
 
If your heading this way, just leave a message on the phone, 931-728-8991, and if I cant be here when you arrive, I will leave a note with the location of the house keys, please make yourself at home! Look forward to seeing ya soon!
 
Mike S
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John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> wrote:

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Mike Schnabel



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:32 am    Post subject: Matt Dralle Why are we Reply with quote

Denny,<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
 
Thanks for the kind words. What makes them mean so much is that I know first hand the outstanding person you are as well, and feel honored to have made acquaintance with you. I know your summer has been busy and full of family activities (which is a very good thing), but has limited your aviating activities, but hopefully soon you will get that excellent bird back in the air soon...  And I look forward to seeing the profile of that MkIII of yours descending over the tree line here. Hopefully by then the hanger will be built, and I will have a place for you to keep your bird out of the rain!
 
Mike S
Manchester TN
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Denny Rowe <rowedl(at)highstream.net> wrote:

[quote]--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe"

John,
I would encourage you to make the effort to vist Mikes place on your trip to
AirVenture. Having met Mike last Summer I can say that he is one of the
nicest Gentleman I have had the honor to meet.
Also, you would do him a great service to give him a ride or two in Miss
P-fer to acclimate him to his new bird.
On top of that his place looks fantasic on his Frappper sight.
Denny Rowe, Mk-3 PA
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