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francisbutler(at)mac.com
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 Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:13 pm Post subject: OSH Yak Forum/ yak 50 / |
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Lets not scare anybody with limited tail-wheel time from buying a Yak 50. Any competent pilot can easily make the transition. I bought mine when I had Zero tail-wheel time. Two hours dual in a Champ, another half dozen hours of champ solo time and I was off flying my 50. A little intimidating first time taxiing out, but the aircraft does not have any hidden surprises.
On another note, any Yakkers transitioning through North Dakota To or From Oshkosh are welcome to stop in Fargo. Have room for one maybe two yaks in my hanger and probably more space available over at the Fargo Air Museum. Or just stop for lunch, my hanger has large deck, grill and have refreshments in the fridge. Advance notice of arrival would be appreciated. Located on the South-East corner of Fargo (FAR) directly North of Fargo Air Museum. Even you CJ guys are welcome.
Regards,
Francis Butler
hanger 701 239-4532
cell 701 238-1826
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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:01 pm Post subject: OSH Yak Forum/ yak 50 / |
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Francis, possibly you did so well in the 50 with so little tail dragger experience simply because you did not have any past bad (or even GOOD) habits to re-learn! The other possibility is that you are exceptionally skilled.
That said, let's also remember that you had the advantage of having a heck of a lot of YAK-52 time before you ever set foot in a 50. Thus you were already used to the round motor, you were already used to the pneumatic brakes, you were already used to left rudder instead of right rudder on take-off, the pneumatic starting system, snot valves, well... everyone knows how long this list is.
I don't think anyone was trying to SCARE anyone from buying a 50. What they were trying to do was to warn any unsuspecting pilot that the YAK-50 demands respect. You can give it respect before you fly it, and make the transition easily... as a competent pilot should... or you can give it the respect it deserves AFTER it has scared the crap out of you. Your choice, but one way or the other, you ARE going to learn to respect a YAK-50, and that is all anyone is really trying to say.
I now have 600 hours in YAK-50's... my absolutely perfect 3 point landings, made exactly where I wanted them to be, where all the judges roared their approval in awe ..... STILL number less than my total of fingers and toes. I learned to wheel land the 50 very well LONG before a perfect 3 point.. and that is just not normal in the world of tail draggers. For example in most other tail draggers after you 3 point, you pull the stick all the way back... do that in a 50 and you will lift the aircraft right off the ground and balance it on the tail wheel. As mentioned, the forward vision is less than most other tail draggers, not including other extremely high performance models.
In the end, clearly I was not as good a pilot as you were. I walked into the YAK-50 with 100 hours of low performance tail dragger time, although I had lots of tricycle high performance complex hours. The story of my flight home after the purchase has left people laughing for hours. It's funny to recount now... it was not very funny at the time.
So bottom line, I have to comment that the YAK-50 has been the most challenging aircraft I have ever flown in my life. Not so much as in taking off and landing ALIVE, but in order to fly WELL. It is strong, well made and as long as you can keep it pointed in a straight line, it will indeed allow very novice pilots to fly it without damage. Land it with the nose pointed in a crab on a hard surface and you can BEND those landing legs very easily. I have seen that with my own eyes.
The 50 is the only airplane I have ever flown that always talks to me after my last flight and reminds me that my skills as a pilot have yet to match its abilities as an airplane.
Take care,
Mark Bitterlich
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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:56 pm Post subject: OSH Yak Forum/ yak 50 / |
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Francis,
I had limited tailwheel time when I checked out in my 50. There are some
gotcha's for sure and it can be handled with limited time, just think that
the more tailwheel time you got in a complex tailwheel will be of benefit.
The T-6 is not the answer for this airplane for sure. Did not fly the TW
before picking up my 50. Would have liked to have done that but things just
did not workout that way. I did do about a day of backseat landings in my
52 after completing my check out in a Champ and a L13 in 25 kt xwinds last
March. Got the sign off after 3 hours but then went and flew the 52 from
the trunk to get more of the sight picture for final/landing. That helped
some but I would not say it made a great deal of difference. Flying a
glider for a couple of years probably helped too as far as having clues in
the clue bag before jumping in the 50. Taking off and flying around was
like any other airplane. It was the landings that got the pucker factor up
on those first sorties!
50 is a blast no matter how you cut it. Love it and I thought I loved the
52!
Doc
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From: Francis Butler <francisbutler(at)mac.com>
To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>
Date: 7/20/2006 5:21:29 PM
Subject: Re: OSH Yak Forum/ yak 50 /
Lets not scare anybody with limited tail-wheel time from buying a Yak 50.
Any competent pilot can easily make the transition. I bought mine when I
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had Zero tail-wheel time. Two hours dual in a Champ, another half dozen
hours of champ solo time and I was off flying my 50. A little intimidating
first time taxiing out, but the aircraft does not have any hidden
surprises.
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On another note, any Yakkers transitioning through North Dakota To or
yaks in my hanger and probably more space available over at the Fargo Air
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Museum. Or just stop for lunch, my hanger has large deck, grill and have
refreshments in the fridge. Advance notice of arrival would be
appreciated. Located on the South-East corner of Fargo (FAR) directly
North of Fargo Air Museum. Even you CJ guys are welcome.
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Regards,
Francis Butler
hanger 701 239-4532
cell 701 238-1826
do not archive
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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 10:29 pm Post subject: OSH Yak Forum/ yak 50 / |
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Indeed, no truer words spoken! Give her respect always in a cross wind with
this girl and she will give you the most fun one can have with one's cloths
on for a price that is a heck of alot less than the next A/c in line [a
Corsair or a Mustang (P-51)].
Doc
| Quote: | The 50 is the only airplane I have ever flown that always talks to me
after my last flight and reminds me that my skills as a pilot have yet to
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match its abilities as an airplane.
| Quote: | Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
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| Quote: | [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Francis Butler
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 18:13
Lets not scare anybody with limited tail-wheel time from buying a Yak 50.
Any competent pilot can easily make the transition. I bought mine when I
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had Zero tail-wheel time. Two hours dual in a Champ, another half dozen
hours of champ solo time and I was off flying my 50. A little intimidating
first time taxiing out, but the aircraft does not have any hidden
surprises.
| Quote: |
On another note, any Yakkers transitioning through North Dakota To or
yaks in my hanger and probably more space available over at the Fargo Air
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Museum. Or just stop for lunch, my hanger has large deck, grill and have
refreshments in the fridge. Advance notice of arrival would be
appreciated. Located on the South-East corner of Fargo (FAR) directly
North of Fargo Air Museum. Even you CJ guys are welcome.
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Regards,
Francis Butler
hanger 701 239-4532
cell 701 238-1826
do not archive
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