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ceengland(at)bellsouth.ne
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 10:05 am Post subject: IMAGE SIZE (was:Re: Battery location)

On behalf of all of us who can't get broadband internet service, I'd 

like to ask that if you attach photos, please reduce the image size 

before sending them. I know that if you have broadband, you  might not 

realize the problems that large attachments cause the 'rest of us', so I 

offer the following:



The last two messages with images attached were almost 2 megabytes each. 

Each message took almost 20 minutes to download on my very slow dialup 

connection. That meant that my phone line was tied up for almost an hour 

to get 2 messages, & no other messages can be received until the huge 

attachment completes its download.



Image size can be reduced using many different software packages, and 

many free ones are available if you don't want to purchase one. The 

easiest to use that I have found (for Windoze) can be downloaded at



http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx



Scroll down & look for 'image resizer'.



Download it & install it (you won't see any new icons on your desktop). 

When you need to email a photo to one of these lists, first locate the 

photo file using whatever file search program you are comfortable with. 

Point at the file with the mouse & right click. The popup menu will 

offer a new selection: 'resize pictures'. Click on that option & it will 

offer several size options. (The smallest is plenty good enough for 

email & screen viewing.) Click on the size you desire & the program will 

automagically create a reduced-size copy of the image with the word 

'small' added to the file name. It will typically be about 1/10 the file 

size of the original but will still be high enough resolution to view on 

a monitor (& it will all fit on the screen at once).



Lest you think I'm a lone, too-frugal voice crying in the wilderness, 

consider that around 1/2 the people who use the internet here in the 

grand old USofA cannot get DSL or cable internet. I'd gladly pay for 

broadband (I've begged the phone company to supply it for years) but I 

cannot get it here, 10 miles from a city & 4.5 miles from a smaller 

community that *does* have DSL.



I know that there are those who will tell me to use a web based email 

client & delete the big emails before download. Please save the effort; 

I've tried them & they are *much* slower than traditional clients & make 

the entire email experience torture. Besides, I'd like to see the 

photos. I just don't want to tie up my phone line for an hour to see 

each picture. 



Thanks for listening & I hope this post will be seen as constructive 

suggestion rather that just another complaint.



Charlie

harley(at)AgelessWings.co
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 10:47 am Post subject: IMAGE SIZE (was:Re: Battery location)

Afternoon, Charlie, and everyone...

 

 >>I'm a lone, too-frugal voice crying in the wilderness<<

 

 Not at all, Charlie!  And I HAVE a DSL line!  Files that large also cause problems for those of us with broadband.  They eat up precious hard drive space, and when viewing them in the email, the entire picture doesn't fit on the screen, so we have to scroll to see it all, or reduce it ourselves. 

 

 A friend of mine won't even wait for a file to download if it takes more than 30 seconds...she just deletes them...and good for her! 

 

 When sending email photos (or any photo intended to view only on a monitor...and that includes a television set which has a lower resolution than most computer monitors these days), everyone should remember that your computer monitor is only 96 dots per inch (dpi) regardless of how many pixels high and wide they advertise, and can show a picture only about 5 inches by 6 inches at that resolution ..and that will fill the window! I try to keep any photos I send to about 4 inches on any one side, at 96 dpi. Remember, the picture can only use your monitor's resolution of 96 dpi, so it throws away any pixels that it can't use to make the image fit your monitor...so why not do the same thing BEFORE you send it, and save everyone a lot of grief. 

 

 The cameras that you can buy today produce photos that are tremendously larger, but that is so they can PRINT poster sized photos. To display properly on a monitor (and not make enemies) they MUST be reduced both in resolution and physical size and then compressed with jpeg when saved. 

 

 After reducing the picture's resolution and physical size, save it as a jpeg file about 40% compression...you won't see much of a difference, if any. The software you use will explain how to do this. Personally, I recommend the freeware, Irfanview ( www.irfanview.com). Does more than many of the professional programs can, and also allows viewing some audio and video files. And did I mention...it's FREE! 

 

 If any photo I send is bigger than about 40kb, I feel I haven't done my job right. 

 

 For example: 

 

 This picture was emailed to me at 925 MB (saving as a JPEG compressed the file size a lot, but the photo was still so big that less than a third of it fit on my screen.)

 

 I changed the resolution to 96 DPI (the resolution of most monitors) then looked at the actual picture size. It was 21 inches by 16 inches!  WAY to big for any email program.  So, I reduced it 75% (to 25% of the original) and saved it as a jpeg with 40% compression...sounds like a lot of work, but only took about four mouse clicks, and typing in the "25" to reduce it...a couple more to save it. This is what it looks like now...and only 40.2 kb!

 

 [img]cid:part1.02000401.03010409(at)agelesswings.com[/img] 

 

 That's Joe Person EZE, BTW...Thanks for the demo photo, Joe.<G>

 

 Harley Dixon

 

 

 Charlie England wrote:  	  Quote: 	
		  --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> (ceengland(at)bellsouth.net)   

   

 On behalf of all of us who can't get broadband internet service, I'd like to ask that if you attach photos, please reduce the image size before sending them. I know that if you have broadband, you  might not realize the problems that large attachments cause the 'rest of us', so I offer the following:   

   

 The last two messages with images attached were almost 2 megabytes each. Each message took almost 20 minutes to download on my very slow dialup connection. That meant that my phone line was tied up for almost an hour to get 2 messages, & no other messages can be received until the huge attachment completes its download.   

   

 Image size can be reduced using many different software packages, and many free ones are available if you don't want to purchase one. The easiest to use that I have found (for Windoze) can be downloaded at   

   

 http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx   

   

 Scroll down & look for 'image resizer'.   

   

 Download it & install it (you won't see any new icons on your desktop). When you need to email a photo to one of these lists, first locate the photo file using whatever file search program you are comfortable with. Point at the file with the mouse & right click. The popup menu will offer a new selection: 'resize pictures'. Click on that option & it will offer several size options. (The smallest is plenty good enough for email & screen viewing.) Click on the size you desire & the program will automagically create a reduced-size copy of the image with the word 'small' added to the file name. It will typically be about 1/10 the file size of the original but will still be high enough resolution to view on a monitor (& it will all fit on the screen at once).   

   

 Lest you think I'm a lone, too-frugal voice crying in the wilderness, consider that around 1/2 the people who use the internet here in the grand old USofA cannot get DSL or cable internet. I'd gladly pay for broadband (I've begged the phone company to supply it for years) but I cannot get it here, 10 miles from a city & 4.5 miles from a smaller community that *does* have DSL.   

   

 I know that there are those who will tell me to use a web based email client & delete the big emails before download. Please save the effort; I've tried them & they are *much* slower than traditional clients & make the entire email experience torture. Besides, I'd like to see the photos. I just don't want to tie up my phone line for an hour to see each picture.    

   

 Thanks for listening & I hope this post will be seen as constructive suggestion rather that just another complaint.   

   

 Charlie

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harley(at)AgelessWings.co
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:00 am Post subject: IMAGE SIZE (was:Re: Battery location)

Oops....typo! 

 >> This picture was emailed to me at 925 MB<<

 925 KB...

 Sorry...

 Harley

 Harley wrote:  	  Quote: 	
		      Afternoon, Charlie, and everyone...

 >>I'm a lone, too-frugal voice crying in the wilderness<<

 Not at all, Charlie!  And I HAVE a DSL line!  Files that large also cause problems for those of us with broadband.  They eat up precious hard drive space, and when viewing them in the email, the entire picture doesn't fit on the screen, so we have to scroll to see it all, or reduce it ourselves. 

 A friend of mine won't even wait for a file to download if it takes more than 30 seconds...she just deletes them...and good for her! 

 When sending email photos (or any photo intended to view only on a monitor...and that includes a television set which has a lower resolution than most computer monitors these days), everyone should remember that your computer monitor is only 96 dots per inch (dpi) regardless of how many pixels high and wide they advertise, and can show a picture only about 5 inches by 6 inches at that resolution ..and that will fill the window! I try to keep any photos I send to about 4 inches on any one side, at 96 dpi. Remember, the picture can only use your monitor's resolution of 96 dpi, so it throws away any pixels that it can't use to make the image fit your monitor...so why not do the same thing BEFORE you send it, and save everyone a lot of grief. 

 The cameras that you can buy today produce photos that are tremendously larger, but that is so they can PRINT poster sized photos. To display properly on a monitor (and not make enemies) they MUST be reduced both in resolution and physical size and then compressed with jpeg when saved. 

 After reducing the picture's resolution and physical size, save it as a jpeg file about 40% compression...you won't see much of a difference, if any. The software you use will explain how to do this. Personally, I recommend the freeware, Irfanview ( www.irfanview.com). Does more than many of the professional programs can, and also allows viewing some audio and video files. And did I mention...it's FREE! 

 If any photo I send is bigger than about 40kb, I feel I haven't done my job right. 

 For example: 

 This picture was emailed to me at 925 MB (saving as a JPEG compressed the file size a lot, but the photo was still so big that less than a third of it fit on my screen.)

    	  Quote:

Mark Phillips in TN

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 431
Location: Columbia, TN

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:14 am Post subject: IMAGE SIZE (was:Re: Battery location)

In a message dated 7/21/06 1:10:34 PM Central Daylight Time, ceengland(at)bellsouth.net writes:

 

  	  Quote: 	
		  you  might not 

 realize the problems that large attachments cause the 'rest of us' 	


 

 >>>

 

 Thanks Charlie- I agree!  Another option is to ask if anyone wants a big foto to just ask off-line.  Perhaps Matt could filter out messages above a certain size, say 100-150K?  This would still allow fotos plenty big for most screens anyway...

 

 Mark Phillips, out in the sticks of TN

 The "Slow One" (dial-up, that is!)

 do not archive

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rv9jim(at)juno.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:20 am Post subject: IMAGE SIZE (was:Re: Battery location)

Hi Charley,

        I had the same complaint as I live in a big city with DSL and did

not think(?) about the problem.  If we just use the lowest resolution on

our digital cameras, the problem goes away.   Since I use my camera

almost exclusively on my project, its a no brainer.



Jim

lists(at)stevet.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:31 am Post subject: IMAGE SIZE (was:Re: Battery location)

There are other alternatives.  You can get satellite broadband and  

there are many communities that are too small for the "big guns" like  

cable and DSL where you can get high-speed wireless service.



Best Regards,



Steve Thomas

SteveT.Net

805-569-0336 Office

________________________________________________________________________



On Jul 21, 2006, at 11:00 AM, Charlie England wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Lest you think I'm a lone, too-frugal voice crying in the  

 wilderness, consider that around 1/2 the people who use the  

 internet here in the grand old USofA cannot get DSL or cable  

 internet. I'd gladly pay for broadband (I've begged the phone  

 company to supply it for years) but I cannot get it here, 10 miles  

 from a city & 4.5 miles from a smaller community that *does* have DSL.

AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:10 pm Post subject: IMAGE SIZE (was:Re: Battery location)

Research "Wild Blue" who is going in partnership with DishNetworks.  Terrestrial Satellite Bandwidth at about $60.00 a month and no more size reduction to fit 1990 technology.  The download speed is amazing.  Uploading large files is a different story.

 

John Cox



________________________________



England

Sent: Fri 7/21/2006 11:00 AM






On behalf of all of us who can't get broadband internet service, I'd

like to ask that if you attach photos, please reduce the image size

before sending them. I know that if you have broadband, you  might not

realize the problems that large attachments cause the 'rest of us', so I

offer the following:



The last two messages with images attached were almost 2 megabytes each.

Each message took almost 20 minutes to download on my very slow dialup

connection. That meant that my phone line was tied up for almost an hour

to get 2 messages, & no other messages can be received until the huge

attachment completes its download.



Image size can be reduced using many different software packages, and

many free ones are available if you don't want to purchase one. The

easiest to use that I have found (for Windoze) can be downloaded at



http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx



Scroll down & look for 'image resizer'.



Download it & install it (you won't see any new icons on your desktop).

When you need to email a photo to one of these lists, first locate the

photo file using whatever file search program you are comfortable with.

Point at the file with the mouse & right click. The popup menu will

offer a new selection: 'resize pictures'. Click on that option & it will

offer several size options. (The smallest is plenty good enough for

email & screen viewing.) Click on the size you desire & the program will

automagically create a reduced-size copy of the image with the word

'small' added to the file name. It will typically be about 1/10 the file

size of the original but will still be high enough resolution to view on

a monitor (& it will all fit on the screen at once).



Lest you think I'm a lone, too-frugal voice crying in the wilderness,

consider that around 1/2 the people who use the internet here in the

grand old USofA cannot get DSL or cable internet. I'd gladly pay for

broadband (I've begged the phone company to supply it for years) but I

cannot get it here, 10 miles from a city & 4.5 miles from a smaller

community that *does* have DSL.



I know that there are those who will tell me to use a web based email

client & delete the big emails before download. Please save the effort;

I've tried them & they are *much* slower than traditional clients & make

the entire email experience torture. Besides, I'd like to see the

photos. I just don't want to tie up my phone line for an hour to see

each picture. 



Thanks for listening & I hope this post will be seen as constructive

suggestion rather that just another complaint.



Charlie



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j.r.burley(at)larc.nasa.g
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:49 pm Post subject: IMAGE SIZE (was:Re: Battery location)

Another approach is to configure your email program to NOT download  

attachments automatically.  Then based on the content of the email,  

go back and download the attachment only when desired.   Every email  

program I am familiar with has this capability.  I use to do this all  

the time to save bandwidth back when I had a dial-up connection.



Jim Burley



do not archive



On Jul 21, 2006, at 4:04 PM, John W. Cox wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Research "Wild Blue" who is going in partnership with  

 DishNetworks.  Terrestrial Satellite Bandwidth at about $60.00 a  

 month and no more size reduction to fit 1990 technology.  The  

 download speed is amazing.  Uploading large files is a different  

 story.



 John Cox



 ________________________________



 England

 Sent: Fri 7/21/2006 11:00 AM



 

 <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>



 On behalf of all of us who can't get broadband internet service, I'd

 like to ask that if you attach photos, please reduce the image size

 before sending them. I know that if you have broadband, you  might not

 realize the problems that large attachments cause the 'rest of us',  

 so I

 offer the following:



 The last two messages with images attached were almost 2 megabytes  

 each.

 Each message took almost 20 minutes to download on my very slow dialup

 connection. That meant that my phone line was tied up for almost an  

 hour

 to get 2 messages, & no other messages can be received until the huge

 attachment completes its download.



 Image size can be reduced using many different software packages, and

 many free ones are available if you don't want to purchase one. The

 easiest to use that I have found (for Windoze) can be downloaded at



 http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/ 

 xppowertoys.mspx



 Scroll down & look for 'image resizer'.



 Download it & install it (you won't see any new icons on your  

 desktop).

 When you need to email a photo to one of these lists, first locate the

 photo file using whatever file search program you are comfortable  

 with.

 Point at the file with the mouse & right click. The popup menu will

 offer a new selection: 'resize pictures'. Click on that option & it  

 will

 offer several size options. (The smallest is plenty good enough for

 email & screen viewing.) Click on the size you desire & the program  

 will

 automagically create a reduced-size copy of the image with the word

 'small' added to the file name. It will typically be about 1/10 the  

 file

 size of the original but will still be high enough resolution to  

 view on

 a monitor (& it will all fit on the screen at once).



 Lest you think I'm a lone, too-frugal voice crying in the wilderness,

 consider that around 1/2 the people who use the internet here in the

 grand old USofA cannot get DSL or cable internet. I'd gladly pay for

 broadband (I've begged the phone company to supply it for years) but I

 cannot get it here, 10 miles from a city & 4.5 miles from a smaller

 community that *does* have DSL.



 I know that there are those who will tell me to use a web based email

 client & delete the big emails before download. Please save the  

 effort;

 I've tried them & they are *much* slower than traditional clients &  

 make

 the entire email experience torture. Besides, I'd like to see the

 photos. I just don't want to tie up my phone line for an hour to see

 each picture. 



 Thanks for listening & I hope this post will be seen as constructive

 suggestion rather that just another complaint.



 Charlie



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tonybabb(at)alejandra.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 6:04 pm Post subject: IMAGE SIZE (was:Re: Battery location)

Most users now have broadband (high speed) internet access. There comes a

point when you have to stop supporting older technology (as Microsoft

announced recently for Win 9. I have a lot of sympathy for those still on

dial-up and strongly endorse the suggestion below for those unable to use

broadband. In fact that's what I did when I used dial-up working from home

about 9 years ago - I also had a dedicated phone line permanently connected

to my office servers that just downloaded mail and database updates all at

22kbps 24 hours a day. It was painful but worked until broadband became

available.  



--

ceengland(at)bellsouth.ne
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject: IMAGE SIZE (was:Re: Battery location)

Tony Babb wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  



Most users now have broadband (high speed) internet access. There comes a

point when you have to stop supporting older technology (as Microsoft

announced recently for Win 9. I have a lot of sympathy for those still on

dial-up and strongly endorse the suggestion below for those unable to use

broadband. In fact that's what I did when I used dial-up working from home

about 9 years ago - I also had a dedicated phone line permanently connected

to my office servers that just downloaded mail and database updates all at

22kbps 24 hours a day. It was painful but worked until broadband became

available. 



I hope you didn't mean for your post to read as condescending as it 
	


does. As I said, I'd gladly pay for broadband if I could get it. I think 

that if  you do a little research, you will find that significantly less 

than 1/2 of the USA can get broadband. Read some of the other posts.



Wild Blue (the only thing I'd even consider right now) is only slightly 

better than dialup, & that's only 'sometimes'. For web browsing & email, 

it's not much if any better than dialup. Upload speeds are about the 

same as dialup. And their service is getting worse as they add 

subscribers. Hughesnet is even worse. Both  have traffic limits & 

throttle you to slower than dialup if you exceed them.



Even if you don't care about the majority of users who cannot get 

broadband, consider that the Matronics archives will have 1-2 Megabytes 

stored for every picture instead of 100k or less, and there is no 

advantage whatsoever to these huge files when you are viewing them on a 

computer monitor.



Matt has indicated on another of his lists that he is working on 

software to automatically reduce image size, but why not do what's right 

& clean up your own act?



Charlie

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