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cfi1513840

Joined: 11 Apr 2006
Posts: 14

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:49 am Post subject: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida - Long

I have to drag out the soap box for this one. I apologize for the length...



I completely agree that reasonable and lawful behavior and consideration for

others is the responsibly of every citizen. The finer point to be made is on

what we call our "rights", and how assertive we should be in demanding them.

It has nothing to do with invoking "constitutional rights". It has to do

with common sense. We are not 8th graders. Most of us realize that our

so-called rights are really privileges. Today, in many countries around the

world, if you can manage to get through life without being tortured or

brutalized in some way, you are privileged indeed. Historically, the concept

of rights has always been restricted. What rights did people have in the

Middle Ages, or under Slavery? It is only in the relatively recent past that

rights for average citizens has become accepted practice, and only in a few

places, our own country being thankfully one of them. Today, in many

societies around the world, average people still have very little in the way

of rights or privileges.



Today in this country, we are "privileged" to live in a time and place that

affords us the technology and allows us to build and fly small airplanes.

There are not too many places in the world where this is the case. If we

were not lucky enough to live where we do, we would be looking up at

contrails and dreaming of personal flight as the majority of the Earth's

population has to do. However it is also true that as members of a minority

of a minority (homebuilders and aviators), we are easy targets, and if we do

not assert our "rights", they will be gradually eroded and eventually taken

away from us, as sure as the sun rises and sets. In my opinion, it is a

natural tendency of those who govern to enforce bureaucracy in a way that

restricts the rights of their citizens, especially in areas that are

somewhat esoteric, or practiced by what is considered to be an elite

minority. General Aviation and aircraft homebuilding in particular fall into

this category. In that respect, I believe the EAA and AOPA are essential to

our "right" to fly airplanes, and to build them if we so choose, because

they represent and give voice to us in the thousands and not simply as

individuals. However, regardless of EAA or AOPA advocacy, we cannot neglect

the responsibility of standing up for ourselves when the need arises.



I think we all agree that the JAX ordinance is onerous to homebuilders and

should be rescinded. Regardless of the degree of EAA or AOPA advocacy in

this matter, I believe that it is a time where our voices should be heard as

individuals, in an assertive and respectful manner. Just like the 20,000

comments that poured in opposing the permanent DC ADIZ, this ill-conceived

ordinance should invoke a similar response, because if left unchallenged, it

will set a precedent that will eventually affect all of us. It may be

overkill, but my fervent hope would be that thousands of homebuilders would

respond in opposition. 



Ken Howell



 



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Terry Watson

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 290
Location: Seattle, WA USA

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:44 am Post subject: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida - Long

To say that our rights are actually privileges is to say that someone,

presumably some level of government, has the power and the right to grant or

deny those privileges. That premise is completely backwards. In the U.S. at

least, government exists expressly by the consent of the governed, and our

federal and individual state constitutions are expressly written to limit

the power of the government, not the citizens. It is the nature of

government to constantly try to push the limits of its power, as sure as it

is the nature of fish to swim or dogs to bark, which is exactly why it is in

all of our interests to push back. 



Regulations are written by people who for whatever reason believe they have

the power and the right to tell other people how they should live their

lives. Often this is to force inconsiderate people to respect the rights and

autonomy of their neighbors, but it would seem to me that just as often it

is by inconsiderate and dominating people to try to force others to live

their lives according to the regulator's ideas of what is good for them. A

third reason, often behind onerous zoning laws, is blatant self-interest at

the expense of those without the political power to resist. 



I would encourage those who value their freedom to make their own decisions

about their life to push back, never accepting the false premise that they

live by the permission of any other individual or group or government.



Terry

RV-8A finishing

Seattle

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rv8ch

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 250
Location: Switzerland

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:06 am Post subject: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida - Long

Terry Watson wrote:

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 I would encourage those who value their freedom to make their own decisions

 about their life to push back, never accepting the false premise that they

 live by the permission of any other individual or group or government.


	


I couldn't have written it better.  Brave men and women have given the

ultimate sacrifice defending our freedom, and it would be shameful

for us to just forgo them out of ignorance, laziness and indifference.



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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:39 am Post subject: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida - Long

Terry, right on all counts.  Fortunately, there are still people that 

understand that to keep rights, you must know they are rights that transcend 

anything this or any government says or does.  Some Europeans seem to have 

forgotten that.  At some point, a portion of the population says, "ENOUGH!" 

and takes whatever action is necessary.  Fortunately also that so far we've 

been able to fend off the nannys and power freaks by simply "throwing the 

bums out" of office.  The time may come that that isn't enough, and when 

that happens, we'll find out once more what the character of the American 

people is.



Olen Goodwin

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brian.kraut(at)engalt.com
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:42 pm Post subject: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida - Long

Very well written.  You have nailed a big part of the reason why I have not

just given into the 10 day warnings and avoided the citations.  Some people

think I am crazy for that.



Brian Kraut

Engineering Alternatives, Inc.

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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:52 pm Post subject: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida - Long

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  I still start leak'n around the eyeballs every time I read that second  paragraph of the Declaration of Independence:

  

  "We hold these Truths to be self evident......."

  

  The idea that one has to be a Constitutional expert to understand  what our rights are is simply wrong.  If you are serious enough to  contemplate these self evident rights, you can't help but accept the  responsibility that goes with them.     

  

 As a practical matter, I have found it amazingly effective to simply ignore  every attempt to negate self evident rights.  Most of the  time when these rights are denied, it requires the consent of the  victim.  Don't ever give it.  

  

 Tracy Crook

  

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Terry    Watson wrote:

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 I would encourage those who value their    freedom to make their own decisions

 about their life to push back,    never accepting the false premise that they

 live by the permission of    any other individual or group or government.


	


I couldn't have written it    better.  Brave men and women have given the

ultimate sacrifice    defending our freedom, and it would be shameful

for us to just forgo them    out of ignorance, laziness and indifference.



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http://www.rv8.ch/

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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:19 pm Post subject: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida - Long

[alone and crickets chirping] 

Eh, er, well, I don't think I'd want a neighbor like Brian.  As far as the

legal aspect, I sympathize with him.  I generally don't like more and more

laws for all aspects of life.  Aside from that, Brian seems to perpetually

have two planes under construction somewhere on his property.  That's

doesn't seem like a typical homebuilder unless he's trying to build his own

personal invasion fleet for a war against Amelia Island.   I'd hate it if

the guy next to me always had two cars under restoration in his yard and

garage.  Whether legal or not, it's not neighborhood friendly, and it sounds

like Brian met his Bizarro with that neighbor.   

Brian,

I have some suggestions for you.  Remove the planes to offsite storage and

invest your money in becoming the ultimate bad neighbor:

1) Erect a 50 foot ham radio tower in the back yard.

2) Start to build a new front porch and quit part way through the project.

3) Plant weeds in your yard.

4) Christmas lights all year long.

5) Use some old tires somewhere in your landscaping plans.

6) Make a weathervane out of a vert stab!

7) Find out the political persuasion of your neighbor and post support signs

for the other party politicians.  The guy sounds smart and crabby, so

probably a republican (like me 'cept for the smart part).  

 A flock of rusty pink flamingos sounds about right for a true Floridian.

Good luck!

******************************************

 Don Hall                  

 N517DG (registered)  

 rv7 fuselage

 http://rv7.donka.net

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[quote] Brian Kraut wrote:

 >

 >

 >It is very much a "case" and will have its day in court.  I

 could move

 >the plane to the airport or a mini storage and not go to court, but 

 >this needs to be fought.  I will not run with my tail

 between my legs.

 >

 >I really appreciate everyone's support and suggestions.  I

 wish I could

 >respond to the hundreds of emails I get, but that would be a

 full time

 >job.

 >

 >I have been keeping a little quiet on all the little details, the 

 >information I have been gathering on the ordinance and how

 it passed,

 >and the legal strategy for getting this ordinance changed.  

 This will

 >go to court and I can't spill all the beans now.

 >

 >Brian Kraut

 >www.jaxairplane.com

 >

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