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kayce33(at)earthlink.net
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 8:38 am Post subject: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airpart



BRAVO, well said

Harold, not an engineer, just thankful for a Bob to help dodos such as I.

rhdudley(at)att.net
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 10:35 am Post subject: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airpart



Greetings, Bob

I am incredulous that anyone could be brash enough or ignorant enough to

display his/her bigotry in a public forum as this person has. That one

wears his list of titles on his sleeve thinking that the title

"engineer" is only earned by someone with a degree. I would expect such

a bigoted, arrogant person must have either not quite entered the real

world or just entered thinking that his degrees really mean something.

Most of us know that the degrees only impress the recruiter and

influence the starting salary. From then on, it is "show us

performance". That performance of the person with a long list of degrees

often lacking in the real world.

Many of us who have monitored this list for a few years have learned to

respect your expertise, your recommendations, your writings and design

philosophies.

I have read many of the recent exchanges with the naysayers who somehow

want to grab some limelight and seem to resent your calm, polite,

measured, systematic engineering approach to evaluate claims that are

presented without data. Over the 6+ years that I have been building I

have placed much weight in the rational for your design recommendations

and incorporated many of them in my now flying RV-6A. During that time,

it never occurred to me to wonder what your academic credentials are. Or

question whether or not you had a title of ENGINEER or whatever. It has

been my considered opinion that your advice and recommendations were

based on good science and engineering (which includes DATA).

Keep up the great work, Bob!!

For the record, my opinions are based on BS, MS, PhD from respectable

universities and 29 years experience in semiconductor engineering and

science with a major industrial laboratory and 50+ years of flying

Best regards and Happy New Year

Richard Dudley

RV-6A flying

Robert L. Nuckolls, III Airparts. wrote:

At 10:34 PM 1/1/2006 -0800, you wrote:

gcomfo(at)tc3net.com
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:17 am Post subject: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airpart

nuckollsr(at)cox.net
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:17 am Post subject: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airpart

`At 01:33 PM 1/2/2006 -0500, you wrote: Greetings, Bob I am incredulous that anyone could be brash enough or ignorant enough to display his/her bigotry in a public forum as this person has. That one wears his list of titles on his sleeve thinking that the title "engineer" is only earned by someone with a degree.`

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For the record, my opinions are based on BS, MS, PhD from respectable
universities and 29 years experience in semiconductor engineering and
science with a major industrial laboratory and 50+ years of flying
Best regards and Happy New Year
Richard Dudley
RV-6A flying

Thank you for that endorsement and kind words. Personally,
I'd rather avoid labels of all kinds except to acknowledge
I'd like to be known as an honorable citizen of this great
country. I'd also strive to be known as a teacher; one who
helps assemble simple-ideas into useful systems where the
users enjoy real understanding of final result. In this
context we can all be teachers. Indeed, this is the core
purpose of activities like the AeroElectric-List. But as
the state of our school systems will attest, a degree does
not a teacher make . . .
I'll suggest that title is properly bestowed only by those
who understand its true significance and/or recognition of those
who have mastered the craft.
Fly comfortably.
Bob . . .

Dr.Laurence(at)mbdi.org
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 12:15 pm Post subject: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airpart



I think this guy george, CFI,II,MEI,ATP,CE500, B737, B757, B767 is out of

line.

I'm not an EE but play one when I'm at my hangar building my RV9. However I

am a dentist which I guess would qualify me as some type of engineer/tech.

Prior to building my RV I wired my friends Velocity RG XL using Bob's

suggestions. I don't give a rats A whether Bob is or is not an engineer.

It was my first attempt at wiring an airplane which now has three hundred

hours on it without a glitch in the electrical system. Furthermore, in years

past, on the rare occasion that I called bob for a question or

clarification, he always had time for me and was always gracious.

My two cents

Peter Laurence

RV9A N60PL

nuckollsr(at)cox.net
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 2:13 pm Post subject: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airpart

`At 02:16 PM 1/2/2006 -0500, you wrote: <gcomfo(at)tc3net.com>`

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Hey, Bob: Pay George no mind. He clearly doesn't know how to read. His
thinking is equally muddled. But then, he is an Engineer. I suspect he is
bipolar. In a manic phase.
Gordon Comfort
N363GC

Gently, gently my friend. Let's leave those judgements
up to folks more qualified than us electron-herders. I've
learned that if one hands out enough line, you can
get a variety of results ranging from creative macram
to nice fishing nets. On the other hand, some folks just
get all tangled up in it. The outcomes are self evident
and require no special talents to judge usefulness of
the result.
By the way, how many hours do you have on that airplane?
By my reckoning you should have worn out the first engine
by now. You guys were going to come visit us. I just chased
family out of the guest room on their Christmas visit, you
and Marge are encouraged to use it at any time. Dee finished
her PhD last spring and has become civilized We'd love to
see you again.
Bob . . .

nuckollsr(at)cox.net
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 2:17 pm Post subject: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airpart

At 03:15 PM 1/2/2006 -0500, you wrote: <Dr.Laurence(at)mbdi.org> I think this guy george, CFI,II,MEI,ATP,CE500, B737, B757, B767 is out of line. I'm not an EE but play one when I'm at my hangar building my RV9. However I am a dentist which I guess would qualify me as some type of engineer/tech. Prior to building my RV I wired my friends Velocity RG XL using Bob's suggestions. I don't give a rats A whether Bob is or is not an engineer. It was my first attempt at wiring an airplane which now has three hundred hours on it without a glitch in the electrical system. Furthermore, in years past, on the rare occasion that I called bob for a question or clarification, he always had time for me and was always gracious. My two cents Peter Laurence

Good evening Peter. Long time no hear! Do I recall correctly
that you live in Florida . . . or perhaps S.Eastern US? We're
working on our 2006 seminar schedule and we need a S.E. venue.
Would love to visit your neck of the woods and get a look
at your project. Got an EAA chapter that would like to host
a presentation?
Bob . . .

jimw_btg(at)earthlink.net
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airpart



Peter

I agree with your comments, Bob has been a great help to many, many, many, builders.

With very sound advice....I would like to set this person straight.....ENGINEERS... there is a tremendous number of people that are PE's (Stamp carrying Professional Engineers) that are still setting the design path straight for many degreed engineers. A large number of these PE's are not degreed engineers they have tested out for their PE license and I can also show several degreed engineers that can't get past the first bank of PE tests.

For me who is a card carrying PE for over 30 years, Bob has been as I said a great help and a very dedicated person to this industry. Offering a great amount of assistance and very accurate and prompt assistance to be exact at a cost of nothing. I am sure George here if he had something to offer other than smart remarks would also have a bill to follow because he is a degreed engineer?

I make my living as a contract engineering firm for 28 years, that has sold and designed several in depth projects form the fiber optics market to the semiconductor manufacturing process markets to designing and building a complete highly Automated Factory for Skill Saw group. WE took this project from companies like Lester B Knight who also tells you they have "Degreed Engineers".....in the end the design wins.

I have 9 staff engineers. I do know what a real Engineer is and They are not specific to a degree. I have an office in Europe with two of my nine engineers resident and do a fair amount of work for Bosch, BMW and Porsche.

I find Bob a breath of fresh air for the Aviation industry. I think if this George would be someone who had spent time on these forums he would not have made such an A out of himself.

Enough said, thank you Bob for all your contribution. Please do not let one spoil a great situation.

Jim Wickert

Vision Vair #159

Some have it Some do not!!!

jschroeder(at)perigee.net
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airpart



Isn't it against state law in a lot of states to use the title "Engineer"

if one is not a registered PE in that state? I believe this is the case

here in NC.

Cheers,

John Schroeder

cjensen(at)dts9000.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 7:31 am Post subject: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airpart



Ah, yes, I believe some states have such laws....usually passed at the

behest of...you guessed it, Engineers. Easier to protect your profession

with laws than with good services and products.

Of course, there are a lot of engineers that do a lot of engineering but

technically, if you want to be an "Engineer", you're allegedly supposed

to be degreed, certified or blessed.

But know this, irrespective of the length of Campbell Soup appellations

after your name, you will be known by your work, not your titles. This

is a scary thought for many Engineers.

Chuck

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