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drc(at)wscare.com
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 Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:27 pm Post subject: Commercial rating |
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Gang,
I am a private SEL, instrument pilot.
I have committed to getting a commercial rating since I have flown in
a few airshows this year and had to leave fuel funds behind.
(I also need to get busy with my FAST training so I can fly with
everyone at OSH and some of the Red Star groups)
My question is this. Can I get the commercial ticket in my Yak? I
have asked 2 flight instructors locally and both said no. Not based
on it being certified experimental exhibition but some other lame
excuse. I would have thought any CFI would want to spend several
hours in the back seat giving instruction. Is there any FAR that
prohibits taking advanced training or a flight test in our planes?
Surely someone has faced this before - any help is appreciated.
Herb
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dhanshew(at)cinci.rr.com
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| Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:14 pm Post subject: Commercial rating |
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Herb,
I did my Commercial Pilot rating in our CJ-6A last year. I practiced the
maneuvers, and did check ride prep
with a friend who was a CFI and had a Yak-52.
Not sure where you are located, but I am a CFII and know the DE very well
that gave me my flight check.
Contact me off list: dhanshew(at)cinci.rr.com
regards, Donna Hanshew
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L39parts(at)hotmail.com
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| Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 5:38 pm Post subject: Commercial rating |
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Second you need to find some better flight instructors. I suggest someone
who likes to fly instead of someone who is building time to join the ranks
of unemployed airline pilots.
But first you need to find an examiner. 14CFR61.45 says:
Required aircraft and equipment. (a) General. Except as provided in
paragraph (a)(2) of this section or when permitted to accomplish the entire
flight increment of the practical test in a flight simulator or a flight
training device, an applicant for a certificate or rating issued under this
part must furnish: (1) An aircraft of U.S. registry for each required test
that-- (i) Is of the category, class, and type, if applicable, for which the
applicant is applying for a certificate or rating; and (ii) Has a current
standard airworthiness certificate or special airworthiness certificate in
the limited, primary, or light-sport category. (2) At the discretion of the
examiner who administers the practical test, the applicant may furnish-- (i)
An aircraft that has a current airworthiness certificate other than a
standard airworthiness certificate or special airworthiness certificate in
the limited, primary, or light-sport category, but that otherwise meets the
requirements of paragraph (a)(1) of this section;
The first part of that says you have to have a standard (not experimental)
plane. (2) says the examiner can let you use your CJ if he wants to. He
doesn't have to, but he can, so find the right examiner first, then find an
instructor who wants to spend several hours in the back seat of a CJ.
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AV8ORJWC
Joined: 13 Jul 2006
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Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"
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| Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:05 pm Post subject: Commercial rating |
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Herb,0
Here is Chapter 10 from the last DPE manual. Review Section 2,Paragraph
3 Procedures, G - Aircraft Requirements. There is no such restriction.
It is a personal decision between the Applicant and the DPE.
John Cox - retired since 2001 as a Commercial DPE
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scott-p(at)texas.net
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| Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:37 am Post subject: Commercial rating |
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Hi Herb,
It's probably already been answered, but the short version is: if you can
get a CFI to do your training in the Yak, then you can do it, if not, then
no. The flight test is a different kettle of fish but again boils down to:
if you can get a DE or Inspector to agree to do the checkride in the Yak,
then you can do it, if not then no. The decision to instruct or examine in a
non-standard category aircraft is at the sole discretion of the
instructor/examiner.
Where are you located?
Scott
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