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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:18 pm Post subject: Air Vent Recommendation

For people who are flying or almost flying, and still have a budget

left, I have a suggestion...

Vic tipped me off at OSH that the large aluminum eyeball vents

provide much more air and leak less than the cheap plastic ones.

I originally used the $17ea Van's black plastic vents.  They worked

OK.  They didn't stay open when you wanted them open, and they didn't

close as tightly.  Adjusting the flow was tough at best.  The flow

seemed OK.



This weekend I put on the aluminum vents, VENT SV-6 BLACK from

Vans. $145ea.   These work very nicely, provide more air, far better

air control, and a better seal.  Surprising, but they were worth it,

especially in the summer.  The deal was sold for me to buy them when

on a high-speed descent last week, you could hear the sound of

air rushing in, and all of a sudden my vent popped shut.  The

sudden noise change startled me for a millisecond.  It was then that

I decided to invest in better vents.



I found these sites on the net..and from what I've been told, Van's

is selling the "airkit" vents, which are supposed to be much nicer

than the affordablepanels vents...but this is just what I was told.



http://www.airkitllc.com/products.php

http://www.affordablepanels.com/Airvents.html

http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1154458795-156-660&browse=heatvent&product=sv-6 

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Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

dav1111(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:37 pm Post subject: Air Vent Recommendation

I second Tim's recommendation.  I got mine from Affordable Panels for 

$117.50 each plus $8.45 shipping.  I got the black ones and painted the 

screws black and they look and work great.



Russ Daves

N710RV Flying



From: "Tim Olson" <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 12:17 AM

Subject: Air Vent Recommendation

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 For people who are flying or almost flying, and still have a budget

 left, I have a suggestion...

 Vic tipped me off at OSH that the large aluminum eyeball vents

 provide much more air and leak less than the cheap plastic ones.

 I originally used the $17ea Van's black plastic vents.  They worked

 OK.  They didn't stay open when you wanted them open, and they didn't

 close as tightly.  Adjusting the flow was tough at best.  The flow

 seemed OK.



 This weekend I put on the aluminum vents, VENT SV-6 BLACK from

 Vans. $145ea.   These work very nicely, provide more air, far better

 air control, and a better seal.  Surprising, but they were worth it,

 especially in the summer.  The deal was sold for me to buy them when

 on a high-speed descent last week, you could hear the sound of

 air rushing in, and all of a sudden my vent popped shut.  The

 sudden noise change startled me for a millisecond.  It was then that

 I decided to invest in better vents.



 I found these sites on the net..and from what I've been told, Van's

 is selling the "airkit" vents, which are supposed to be much nicer

 than the affordablepanels vents...but this is just what I was told.



 http://www.airkitllc.com/products.php

 http://www.affordablepanels.com/Airvents.html

 http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1154458795-156-660&browse=heatvent&product=sv-6



 -- 

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

jesse(at)itecusa.org
Guest

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:34 am Post subject: Air Vent Recommendation

I third this nomination.  The cheap ones are terrible.  They don't stay

where you put them, and when it is cold outside, you really want it to seal,

which the cheap ones don't.  We got the black ones and they are part plastic

and part aluminum, but they seal great and work great.  This is definitely

worth the investment.



Do not archive.



Jesse Saint

I-TEC, Inc.

jesse(at)itecusa.org

www.itecusa.org

W: 352-465-4545

C: 352-427-0285

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ddddsp1(at)juno.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:48 am Post subject: Air Vent Recommendation

Another idea.............We bought the smaller aluminum vents from ACS that come in grey or black ($56).  Made a Y out of fiberglass and attached it to the NACA Duct so we have 2 vents per side and more air control in more directions.  If you do not want LEAKY vents.........plan to pay more than what the plastic ones sell for.  I know one person left the cheap vents off.........uses a big CORK to plug the hole and takes the cork out when he wants air........it is an "all or nothing vent" system. 

Go YUGO EFIS!!! 

Dean 40449 



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KBelue(at)drs-tem.com
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:56 am Post subject: Air Vent Recommendation

Yes, the metal vents are much better. If you look around, sometimes you can

find the metal vents "like new" for a lot less. I paid $20 each for the

vents on my first plane. I found some for the RV10 that were $40 each in new

condition.



Kevin D. Belue

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stein(at)steinair.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 8:24 am Post subject: Air Vent Recommendation

This is true.  For quite awhile I drained many of the the salvage houses of

all their vents for half of new (I've gone through literally hundreds of

them over the past couple years).  That being said, the quality of used ones

and quantity just has just started to run out as other people (like Kevin)

encroached on my supply 



So....I spent many months doing reasearch with all my old airline buddies

and found the supplier that makes the Vents for the military and

Boeing/Airbus which are a LOT cheaper than what is out there currently.

They are literally mil spec vents that I now have for sale on my site in

both Black and Clear Anodized Aluminum at $90 or $100.  They are quite

superior in construction to the other ones out there in the large size, and

instead of a large square mounting plate you simply cut a hole (either 2" or

2.75" and screw on the plenum from the back).  The small ones work

beautifully as well as the larger ones (I have the smaller ones in my RV and

they work great).  I know they won't work too well as a retrofit for the 4

hole flange mounting pattern, but if you haven't done that yet don't waste

the space! These vents also include the mounting plenums as well.  The

larger ones I have only take a 2.75" hole instead of a nearly 4" square hole

pattern for the flanges which are currently offered from Van's.



Sorry for the plug....but there is another option out there and unlike the

AirKit/Van's/Affordable Vents which are all copies of each other I don't

know of anyone else selling the vents I found other than Boeing and a few

defense contractors.



Cheers,

Stein.



Do Not Archive



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sam.marlow

Joined: 25 Feb 2006
Posts: 99

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:11 pm Post subject: Air Vent Recommendation

Well I'm confused, which one's work on the RV10?

 

 SteinAir, Inc. wrote:

 [quote]   [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: "SteinAir, Inc." <stein(at)steinair.com> (stein(at)steinair.com)



This is true.  For quite awhile I drained many of the the salvage houses of

all their vents for half of new (I've gone through literally hundreds of

them over the past couple years).  That being said, the quality of used ones

and quantity just has just started to run out as other people (like Kevin)

encroached on my supply 



So....I spent many months doing reasearch with all my old airline buddies

and found the supplier that makes the Vents for the military and

Boeing/Airbus which are a LOT cheaper than what is out there currently.

They are literally mil spec vents that I now have for sale on my site in

both Black and Clear Anodized Aluminum at $90 or $100.  They are quite

superior in construction to the other ones out there in the large size, and

instead of a large square mounting plate you simply cut a hole (either 2" or

2.75" and screw on the plenum from the back).  The small ones work

beautifully as well as the larger ones (I have the smaller ones in my RV and

they work great).  I know they won't work too well as a retrofit for the 4

hole flange mounting pattern, but if you haven't done that yet don't waste

the space! These vents also include the mounting plenums as well.  The

larger ones I have only take a 2.75" hole instead of a nearly 4" square hole

pattern for the flanges which are currently offered from Van's.



Sorry for the plug....but there is another option out there and unlike the

AirKit/Van's/Affordable Vents which are all copies of each other I don't

know of anyone else selling the vents I found other than Boeing and a few

defense contractors.



Cheers,

Stein.



Do Not Archive



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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:44 am Post subject: Air Vent Recommendation

The vents Stein has are probably the best available, but none that

he has *today* are a drop-in replacement that works with the

4-hole thing sent with the kit.  What he's saying is if you want

a better, cheaper valve, do a little creative engineering and

don't attach that 4-hole thing, but attach a hose, mount the

valve differently, and use his valve.



Jesse was right that the doors are one of the weak design areas

of the plane, but the ventilation is another.  I'm all for

trying to figure out something better for the front vents, but

in the end I gave up.  The newer kits with the lower cutouts

may have better luck.



At any rate, the 4-hole ones are what I used, so I couldn't

get them from him right now.  I believe he may be able to get

them eventually, but I'm not sure.  After seeing the ones on

his site, I wanted to go down that path, but just couldn't do

it today.  Stein, work on those guys to get you a supply and

you'll sell a bunch.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

do not archive

Sam Marlow wrote:

[quote] Well I'm confused, which one's work on the RV10?

 

 SteinAir, Inc. wrote:

> 

>

> This is true.  For quite awhile I drained many of the the salvage houses of

> all their vents for half of new (I've gone through literally hundreds of

> them over the past couple years).  That being said, the quality of used ones

> and quantity just has just started to run out as other people (like Kevin)

> encroached on my supply 

>

> So....I spent many months doing reasearch with all my old airline buddies

> and found the supplier that makes the Vents for the military and

> Boeing/Airbus which are a LOT cheaper than what is out there currently.

> They are literally mil spec vents that I now have for sale on my site in

> both Black and Clear Anodized Aluminum at $90 or $100.  They are quite

> superior in construction to the other ones out there in the large size, and

> instead of a large square mounting plate you simply cut a hole (either 2" or

> 2.75" and screw on the plenum from the back).  The small ones work

> beautifully as well as the larger ones (I have the smaller ones in my RV and

> they work great).  I know they won't work too well as a retrofit for the 4

> hole flange mounting pattern, but if you haven't done that yet don't waste

> the space! These vents also include the mounting plenums as well.  The

> larger ones I have only take a 2.75" hole instead of a nearly 4" square hole

> pattern for the flanges which are currently offered from Van's.

>

> Sorry for the plug....but there is another option out there and unlike the

> AirKit/Van's/Affordable Vents which are all copies of each other I don't

> know of anyone else selling the vents I found other than Boeing and a few

> defense contractors.

>

> Cheers,

> Stein.

>

> Do Not Archive

>

>   

>> --

aircarepros(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:18 am Post subject: Air Vent Recommendation

[quote]Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:03:21 -0700 (PDT)

From: "John N. Strain II" <aircarepros(at)yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: Air Vent Recommendation

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

  I am attatching a photo of even another option for vents.  These vents are the most highly styled available and provide more air movement than any of the others that have been mentioned.  They were displayed in the Flightline AC booth as an upgrade option to our ac systems.  They mount thru a skin (overhead or panel) by drilling a 2.5" hole and are held in place by a threaded fitting that can accept a 2.5" hose, or they are trimmed to allow for use in an overhead panel.  They fully close off, partially open, and fully open via a telescoping mechanism and rotate 360' to be able to focus air movement.  They are a machined aluminum part.  They sell for

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stein(at)steinair.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:45 am Post subject: Air Vent Recommendation

Well....both types of vents will work.  It just  depends on what you do with those "dumbo/elephant ears" on the lower corners of  the panel.  The standard Van's vents use a pretty large flange with 4 screw  holes in them.  The vents I chose to procure do not have the flange on them  and as a result the size of that ear can be nearly 1" smaller overall than the  flanged ones.  We looked at getting those, but I figured as replacements we  wouldn't sell many because people probably already had the higher buck aluminum  ones from Van's, and new builders would like the smaller area required by the  "flangeless" vents.  While they still have a flange on them it's only about  1/8" around the circumferance and the vent is held in place by screwing on the  plenum from the back. At least that's what I prefer, and so that's what we  ended up with!  I've been flying behind the smaller ones for years in my -6  and they work great, but the larger ones will inevitably allow for more  airflow.

  

 If  there's any lesson to be learned out of this it's to file those worthless  plastic ones in the garbage the minute you get them (us old little RV builders  learned that lesson long ago) - but that's just my  opinion!

  

 Cheers,

 Stein.

  

 do not  archive.

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Tdawson(at)avidyne.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:41 am Post subject: Air Vent Recommendation

Looks like the vent from an old Camaro.    

   

Your post got truncated at the most important part – the price!  Don’t leave us in suspense!  

   

TDT

 40025  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John N. Strain II

 Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:18 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Air Vent Recommendation  

  

   [quote]  

Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:03:21 -0700 (PDT)

 From: "John N. Strain II" <aircarepros(at)yahoo.com>

 Subject: Re: Air Vent Recommendation

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com    

I am attatching a photo of even another option for vents.  These vents are the most highly styled available and provide more air movement than any of the others that have been mentioned.  They were displayed in the Flightline AC booth as an upgrade option to our ac systems.  They mount thru a skin (overhead or panel) by drilling a 2.5" hole and are held in place by a threaded fitting that can accept a 2.5" hose, or they are trimmed to allow for use in an overhead panel.  They fully close off, partially open, and fully open via a telescoping mechanism and rotate 360' to be able to focus air movement.  They are a machined aluminum part.  They sell for  

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Tdawson(at)avidyne.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:46 am Post subject: Air Vent Recommendation

So, Stein, you need about 2 inches of panel space for the 1.25” vent and 3 inches of space for the 2” vent?  

   

TDT

 40025  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of SteinAir, Inc.

 Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 12:45 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Air Vent Recommendation  

  

     

Well....both types of vents will work.  It just depends on what you do with those "dumbo/elephant ears" on the lower corners of the panel.  The standard Van's vents use a pretty large flange with 4 screw holes in them.  The vents I chose to procure do not have the flange on them and as a result the size of that ear can be nearly 1" smaller overall than the flanged ones.  We looked at getting those, but I figured as replacements we wouldn't sell many because people probably already had the higher buck aluminum ones from Van's, and new builders would like the smaller area required by the "flangeless" vents.  While they still have a flange on them it's only about 1/8" around the circumferance and the vent is held in place by screwing on the plenum from the back. At least that's what I prefer, and so that's what we ended up with!  I've been flying behind the smaller ones for years in my -6 and they work great, but the larger ones will inevitably allow for more airflow.  

    

   

    

If there's any lesson to be learned out of this it's to file those worthless plastic ones in the garbage the minute you get them (us old little RV builders learned that lesson long ago) - but that's just my opinion!  

    

   

    

Cheers,  

    

Stein.  

    

   

    

do not archive.  

  [quote]    

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aircarepros(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:03 pm Post subject: Air Vent Recommendation

$125.00 each

  



Tim Dawson-Townsend <Tdawson(at)avidyne.com> wrote:

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  Your post got truncated at the most important part – the price!  Don’t leave us in  suspense!

   

  TDT

40025

   

        

  From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John N. Strain II

Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:18 AM

To: <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Air Vent Recommendation



   

  [quote]  Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:03:21 -0700 (PDT)

From: "John N. Strain II" <aircarepros(at)yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: Air Vent Recommendation

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

    I am attatching a photo of even another option for vents.  These vents are the most highly styled available and provide more air movement than any of the others that have been mentioned.  They were displayed in the Flightline AC booth as an upgrade option to our ac systems.  They mount thru a skin (overhead or panel) by drilling a 2.5" hole and are held in place by a threaded fitting that can accept a 2.5" hose, or they are trimmed to allow for use in an overhead panel.  They fully close off, partially open, and fully open via a 		Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. [url=http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=42974/*http://www.yahoo.com/preview] Check it out.[/url]   [quote][b]

stein(at)steinair.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:27 pm Post subject: Air Vent Recommendation

You  are correct.  The small ones need a hole (OD) or 2", the large ones need a  hole (OD) of 2.8" or nearly 3".

  

 Cheers,

 Stein.

  

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