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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:30 am    Post subject: Aircraft Spruce terrible Service? Reply with quote

Hi:

I have tried for the past two weeks, to call Spruce, to place a small order.

This is not exageration, I have made at least eight calls, Starting
at 12:00 my time, East Coast...to 4:30 PM..

No one ever answers, I have hold at one time for 3 minutes...

I cannot understand, why sucessfull companies, ingnore this...

I wrote a letter to Jim Irwin,, maybe I get a respond...

If they want that one fax, or e-mail, they should say so....but then
are they going to list correct prices??

I will not buy from them unless is absolutely necessary for me to do so..

Any one has had this problem ?

Would like to hear suggestions..

Bert

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:34 am    Post subject: Aircraft Spruce terrible Service? Reply with quote

I have nothing but GOOD experiences with Aircraft Spruce. Give 'em another chance...

Kim Nicholas
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:08 am    Post subject: Aircraft Spruce terrible Service? Reply with quote

That's strange. I have never had a problem placing a phone order or otherwise with Aircraft Spruce. Since Aircraft Spruce has been willing to match comprtitors' price (verifiable), I research the best price for the item (normally big ticket stuff) and then place the order with them. They normally ship the same day. On one occasion, I noticed that the price of an item had been reduced by more than $300 a week or so after I had ordered that item. One phone call to their customer service department and the difference was quickly refunded. I have been very satisfied with their service.

Bill

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Hi:

I have tried for the past two weeks, to call Spruce, to place a small order.

This is not exageration, I have made at least eight calls, Starting
at 12:00 my time, East Coast...to 4:30 PM..

No one ever answers, I have hold at one time for 3 minutes...

I cannot understand, why sucessfull companies, ingnore this...

I wrote a letter to Jim Irwin,, maybe I get a respond...

If they want that one fax, or e-mail, they should say so....but then
are they going to list correct prices??

I will not buy from them unless is absolutely necessary for me to do so..

& gt; An Email
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:02 pm    Post subject: Aircraft Spruce terrible Service? Reply with quote

Ditto ... Spruce have gone out of their way for me - even
suggesting ways to lower the shipping costs ... orders placed
online get shipped just as quickly as ones placed over the
phone. Sometimes on Monday morning its hard to get through on
the phone - not surprising really ....

g

Quote:

That's strange. I have never had a problem placing a phone
order or otherwise with Aircraft Spruce. Since Aircraft Spruce
has been willing to match comprtitors' price (verifiable), I
research the best price for the item (normally big ticket
stuff) and then place the order with them. They normally ship
the same day. On one occasion, I noticed that the price of an
item had been reduced by more than $300 a week or so after I
had ordered that item. One phone call to their customer service
department and the difference was quickly refunded. I have been
very satisfied with their service.

Bill

-------------- Original message --------------
From: bertrv6(at)highstream.net

>
>
>
>
> Hi:
>
> I have tried for the past two weeks, to call Spruce, to place a small order.
>
> This is not exageration, I have made at least eight calls, Starting
> at 12:00 my time, East Coast...to 4:30 PM..
>
> No one ever answers, I have hold at one time for 3 minutes...
>
> I cannot understand, why sucessfull companies, ingnore this...
>
> I wrote a letter to Jim Irwin,, maybe I get a respond...
>
> If they want that one fax, or e-mail, they should say so....but then
> are they going to list correct prices??
>
> I will not buy from them unless is absolutely necessary for me to do so..
>
> Any one has had this problem ?
>
> Would like to hear suggestions..
>
> Bert
>
> rv6a
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:04 pm    Post subject: Aircraft Spruce terrible Service? Reply with quote

bertrv6(at)highstream.net wrote:
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Hi:

I have tried for the past two weeks, to call Spruce, to place a small order.

This is not exageration, I have made at least eight calls, Starting
at 12:00 my time, East Coast...to 4:30 PM..

No one ever answers, I have hold at one time for 3 minutes...


What number are you trying to call?

Sam Buchanan


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:22 pm    Post subject: Aircraft Spruce terrible Service? Reply with quote

BUY FROM WICKS IF AT ALL POSSIBLE
PAT


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:45 pm    Post subject: Aircraft Spruce terrible Service? Reply with quote

I agree with Pat. There are those on the list who get great service from ASC; but, there are also those of us who've had poor service from them. I've never had a problem with their phones; but, I've had other problems that keep me from being a happy customer. I found out about Wicks and have used them a lot, since. No complaints.

BTW, for the one who said give them a second chance. I did just that and was really disappointed. Fool me once, shame on them. Fool me twice, shame on me. I may still do a little business with ASC, if I can't get what I need elsewhere; but, I won't use them as a major source, in the future. Oh, yeah. Jim Irwin and I discussed my concerns after I've made other posts on the list. Once trust is lost, it's pretty hard to get it back.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:50 pm    Post subject: Aircraft Spruce terrible Service? Reply with quote

Quoting Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net>:

Quote:


bertrv6(at)highstream.net wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Hi:
>
> I have tried for the past two weeks, to call Spruce, to place a small
order.
>
> This is not exageration, I have made at least eight calls, Starting
> at 12:00 my time, East Coast...to 4:30 PM..
>
> No one ever answers, I have hold at one time for 3 minutes...
What number are you trying to call?

Sam Buchanan
SAM; I TRIED BOTH, I DO NOT MIND TO PAY FOR THE CALL, IF I CAN
GET SOME ONE TO ANSWER.

ONE IS THE 1.877 477.7823 and regular one 951.372.9555

I know they are not the fastest to answer the telephone, but for pete's sake
2 weeks, waiting for up to 3 minutes, and no answer , just the commercial
and the you know,...all agents are busy but your call is important to us etc..

I think, maybe the mgt, does not know about this...if we complaint,
maybe the will change...

Hope so.,, we need them.... ON THE OTHER SIDE WICKS IS EXCELLENT ON THIS..

FAST ON THE PHONE, AND TWICE AS FAST ON SHIPPING... BUT THEY DON"T ALWAYS
HAVE THE SAME THINGS ACS HAS...THEY ARE SAMALLER IN SOMES RESPECT...

WELL WE WILL SEE IF MY LETTER WOULD HELP..

BERT

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:58 pm    Post subject: Aircraft Spruce terrible Service? Reply with quote

Quoting Gerry Filby <gerf(at)gerf.com>:

Quote:

Ditto ... Spruce have gone out of their way for me - even
suggesting ways to lower the shipping costs ... orders placed
online get shipped just as quickly as ones placed over the
phone. Sometimes on Monday morning its hard to get through on
the phone - not surprising really ....

g

>
> That's strange. I have never had a problem placing a phone
> order or otherwise with Aircraft Spruce. Since Aircraft Spruce
> has been willing to match comprtitors' price (verifiable), I
> research the best price for the item (normally big ticket
> stuff) and then place the order with them. They normally ship
> the same day. On one occasion, I noticed that the price of an
> item had been reduced by more than $300 a week or so after I
> had ordered that item. One phone call to their customer service
> department and the difference was quickly refunded. I have been
> very satisfied with their service.
>
> Bill
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: bertrv6(at)highstream.net
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi:
> >
> > I have tried for the past two weeks, to call Spruce, to place a small
order.
> >
> > This is not exageration, I have made at least eight calls, Starting
> > at 12:00 my time, East Coast...to 4:30 PM..
> >
> > No one ever answers, I have hold at one time for 3 minutes...
> >
> > I cannot understand, why sucessfull companies, ingnore this...
> >
> > I wrote a letter to Jim Irwin,, maybe I get a respond...
> >
> > If they want that one fax, or e-mail, they should say so....but then
> > are they going to list correct prices??
> >
> > I will not buy from them unless is absolutely necessary for me to do so..
> >
> > Any one has had this problem ?
> >
> > Would like to hear suggestions..
> >
> > Bert
> >
> > rv6a
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> >
>MAYBE THEY DO NOT GIVE THE SAME SERVICE TO PEOPLE IN THIS SIDE OF
THE MAP...

I KNOW THEY ARE NOT THE FASTEST WHEN IT COMES TO ANSER THE PHONE, BUT NOW
FOR PETE'S SAKE...TWO WEEKS TRYING, HOLDING FOR UP TO 3 MINUTES,, JUST
LISENNING, TO THE ALL'' AGENTS ARE BUSY, BUT YOUR CALL IS IMPORTANT TO US.

AND THEN THE COMMERCIAL STARTS,, I THINK THEY WANT EVERY ONE TO HEAR THEIR
PITCH... REGARDLESS...
MAYBE THE LETTER WILL DO SOME GOOD,, MAYBE MGT DOES NO KNOW ABOUT THIS...

AS TO WICKS... NO QUESTION, WHEN IT COMESS TO ANSWERING THE PHONE THEY
ARE THE BEST. ALSO SHIPPING IS THREE TIMES FASTEST THAN ACS...

BUT THEY DO NOT ALWAYS HAVE THE THINGS ONE IS LOOKING FOR...ACS...IS MUCH
BIGGER..

IS JUST 101 BUSINESS....

WE WILL SEE.

BERT
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:00 pm    Post subject: Aircraft Spruce terrible Service? Reply with quote

I am surprised to read this note as I have had nothing but excellent
service from AS&S... I'm on my 3rd plane and have ordered about
everything I can from them. Orders ship the same day, they have most
everything in stock, and the prices are reasonable. Much better than
the service I get from Van's..... Sometimes it takes 3-5 days just to
get the stuff out of the door, then they charge a flat $4 for handling,
then add shipping and handling charges on top of that.... But their
planes are reasonably priced.... So I guess that makes up for it in my
mind.......

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:13 pm    Post subject: Aircraft Spruce terrible Service? Reply with quote

Quoting wgill10(at)comcast.net:

Quote:

That's strange. I have never had a problem placing a phone order or otherwise
with Aircraft Spruce. Since Aircraft Spruce has been willing to match
comprtitors' price (verifiable), I research the best price for the item
(normally big ticket stuff) and then place the order with them. They normally
ship the same day. On one occasion, I noticed that the price of an item had
been reduced by more than $300 a week or so after I had ordered that item.
One phone call to their customer service department and the difference was
quickly refunded. I have been very satisfied with their service.

Bill


I KNOW IN THE PAST, THEY ARE NOT THE FASTEST TO ANSWER THE PHONE, BUT
AT LEAST YOU GOT SOME ONE.... BUT NOW FOR 2 WEEKS,,I HAVE HOLD THE LINE
FOR 3MINUTES...AND ALL I GET IS THE ALL AGENTS ARE BUSY, BUT YOUR CALL IS
IMPORTANT TO US....
AND AGAIN LATER THE SAME...IN BETWEEN YOU GET THE COMMERCIAL....

IS NOT COMPARISON, WITH WICKS,,,THEY REALLY ARE FAST, WHEN IT COMES TO
ANSWERING THE PHONE, NO COMMERCIALS.. AND THE SHIPPING IS INCREADIBLE FAST
I GET THINGS, NORMAL FIRST CLASS MAIL, NO THAT BUSS. OF EXPRESS MAILS AT
& 8.00 OR WHATEVER,, IN THREE DAYS USUALLY...

BUT THEY DO NOT ALWAYS HAVE THE STUFF YOU NEED... ACS... IS BIGGER CO.

THEY DO NOT NEED THE BUSINESS,,,,..IF THEY WOULD, I GUARANTEED YOU, THEY
WILL ANSWER THE PHONE AT THE SECOND RING...

THAT IS THE WAY MANY COMPANIES ARE TODAY,,.

HOPE MY LETTER WOULD CHANGE THIS... MAYBE MGT. DOE NOT KNOW ABOUT..

BERT
RV6S
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-------------- Original message --------------
From: bertrv6(at)highstream.net

>
>
>
>
> Hi:
>
> I have tried for the past two weeks, to call Spruce, to place a small
order.
>
> This is not exageration, I have made at least eight calls, Starting
> at 12:00 my time, East Coast...to 4:30 PM..
>
> No one ever answers, I have hold at one time for 3 minutes...
>
> I cannot understand, why sucessfull companies, ingnore this...
>
> I wrote a letter to Jim Irwin,, maybe I get a respond...
>
> If they want that one fax, or e-mail, they should say so....but then
> are they going to list correct prices??
>
> I will not buy from them unless is absolutely necessary for me to do so..
>
> Any one has had this problem ?
>
> Would like to hear suggestions..
>
> Bert
>
> rv6a
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:19 pm    Post subject: Aircraft Spruce terrible Service? Reply with quote

I order on their website. No problems.

Ron Lee


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:38 pm    Post subject: Aircraft Spruce terrible Service? Reply with quote

First, do not type in ALL CAPS. Please.

Two, order on their website.

Ron Lee

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:47 pm    Post subject: Aircraft Spruce terrible Service? Reply with quote

sorry to be sarcastic, but, 3 whole minutes, jeez.....

BERTRV6(at)highstream.net wrote:
Quote:


Quoting Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net>:


>
>
> bertrv6(at)highstream.net wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi:
>>
>> I have tried for the past two weeks, to call Spruce, to place a small
>>
> order.
>
>> This is not exageration, I have made at least eight calls, Starting
>> at 12:00 my time, East Coast...to 4:30 PM..
>>
>> No one ever answers, I have hold at one time for 3 minutes...
>>
> What number are you trying to call?
>
> Sam Buchanan
> SAM; I TRIED BOTH, I DO NOT MIND TO PAY FOR THE CALL, IF I CAN
>
GET SOME ONE TO ANSWER.
ONE IS THE 1.877 477.7823 and regular one 951.372.9555

I know they are not the fastest to answer the telephone, but for pete's sake
2 weeks, waiting for up to 3 minutes, and no answer , just the commercial
and the you know,...all agents are busy but your call is important to us etc..

I think, maybe the mgt, does not know about this...if we complaint,
maybe the will change...

Hope so.,, we need them.... ON THE OTHER SIDE WICKS IS EXCELLENT ON THIS..

FAST ON THE PHONE, AND TWICE AS FAST ON SHIPPING... BUT THEY DON"T ALWAYS
HAVE THE SAME THINGS ACS HAS...THEY ARE SAMALLER IN SOMES RESPECT...

WELL WE WILL SEE IF MY LETTER WOULD HELP..

BERT

RV6A

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:02 am    Post subject: Aircraft Spruce terrible Service? Reply with quote

I disagree very strongly, placed oredr with Wicks and recived only half items ordered. Even some items which were supposed to be part of a wheelkit (not for RV) were missing, or short. No apologies, no contact beforehand.
Aircraft Spruce is far better and keeps in touch and let you make a choice if items are on backorder.
In addition if you order online it indicates if parts are in stock.

MR
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:28 am    Post subject: Aircraft Spruce terrible Service? Reply with quote

I guess we can get bad service from anyone we deal with. I had a similar situation with ACS. It took over two months to get in an order that should have come in the first pass. The parts I really needed just dribbled in. I've not encountered that with Wicks. Around here, I talked with several others who had the same kinds of problems with ACS; so, I figured it was a company to not do business with. Later on, I helped another build a RV-9A. I had warned him of my problems with ACS; but, he tried them anyway. By the time he got his oil and fuel hoses, he was totally fed up with them. We can probably find poor service from any source we talk about; but, it's been my experience, and that of others, that Wicks has done a better job. Unfortunately, they don't have the same level of offerings as ACS. Like I said, I gave the company a second chance, as suggested. I was not satisfied.

Jim in KY
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:23 am    Post subject: Re: Aircraft Spruce terrible Service? Reply with quote

Over the past 6 years I have dealt with Wicks and Spruce frequently, spending thousands of dollars between them to support my addiction. As far as I am concerned, both Wicks and Spruce are national treasures. Both companies offer excellent service......generally. In my experience, Spruce's Jim Irwin will personally contact you relative to customer service issues or catalog suggestions. If you would like to see Spruce carry a particular item, by all means ask him....not the person who happens to answer your call on the order line. The fact that Spruce's catalog grows ever thicker each year with a growing inventory of aviation goodies does not happen by accident. Nothing however, is perfect. On occasion, I have found Spruce's on-line ordering process to be flawed. It can sometimes be difficult to locate items you know they carry and at times prices are at variance with those posted in the print catalog. Just yesterday I placed a rather eclectic order and the on-line shopping cart indicated all the items were in stock. Later, when the routine order confirmation arrived via e-mail, it noted an item on backorder...the one item and very reason I placed the order in the first place. Still, I consider these to be very minor frustrations and part of the price we sometimes pay for the convenience of e-commerce.

As a culture we can be inclined towards instant gratification, the fast food expectation if you will. Well, homebuilt aircraft construction will put the halts to that inclination very quickly. Instant gratification has no place in our hobby. I have become "almost" comfortable dealing with the frustration and deferred satisfactions that are an inevitable part of this hobby. Is it all worth it? Oh Yea....and then some.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:21 am    Post subject: Aircraft Spruce terrible Service? Reply with quote

I'm amused by the concern about 'spotty' service. The complainers have
obvious never run a small business selling in small lots to small buyers
that obsess over the cost of a Tinnerman washer. I'm sure Wicks and ACS
both work their tails off to do the best they can. I have no knowledge
of their particlarly circumstances but they undoubtably have to rely on
a low paid workforce that is not always reliable. Why hire cheap,
unreliable help...because their customer's demand 'cheap'. It all falls
under the 'you get what you pay for', so a little forebearance is in
order. If it'll help you cope, just be pleased and surprised with
something is shipped on time and correctly. Lowered expectations is a
good anti-dote for disappointment.

Personal opinion: Given the low margins they work with, both Wicks and
ACS give good to exemplary service.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 6:37 am    Post subject: Aircraft Spruce terrible Service? Reply with quote

It's been a long time since I was in the parts ordering phase, but from the muttering, threats, and proposed dire consequences of those watching their bank account slowly dry up ..... there ain't nobody out there perfect. If you have a bad experience, maybe it's just your turn! In this age of instant gratification, picture this scenario ......... Vendor X (pick your favorite one) finds a really neat widget, and stocks 20 of them, and puts them in the online catalog and database. Joe 'big time' builder sees the widget, and has to have it. He installs the widget, loves it and then rants on the X list (again, pick your favorite one or many!) about how it reallyb works and saves ya big buck down the road. 700 listers read the email, and only 200 go online to the link provided and see there are still 19 widgets left. Hit the purchase button, enter your credit card info and sit back with much anticipation. Gotta have that widget!!!! Now pan to stage right where Vendor X starts filling that mountain of orders, and in one hour, the stock goes from 19 to zippo. There are now 181 backorders and purchasing is notified. Well, the backorder ed part goes into the que along with the other 264,789 items that are on 'bin low' status (remember that Vendor X has a 3" thick catalog of stuff ..... it's the reason you do business with them) ...... and they slog through the paperwork to order new stock. Your widget takes two weeks to make it to the top of the queue ..... and purchasing can't get hold of the MFGR because they're shut down for summer vacation and all four people are enjoying their time off. Meanwhile, Joe 'big time' builder has been calling everyday, along with the other 180 builders on the widget backorder list (by some stroke of luck, all the other orders have been filled Wink ) and customer service is trying hard to answer the phone while listening to 180 different reasons why their project is most important and should bubble to the top of the backorder list immediately ........ and the phone keeps ringing, and the phone queue keeps getting longer ......

Well, so much for the scenario ..... one really neat widget has managed to p..s off 181 builders who rant on the list about the poor service of Vendor X .... which creates an exponential amount of emails extolling the virtues or failures of Vendor X.

Solly Cholly! Crap happens in the real world. Me??? I'm just damn thankful I have two companies (mainly Wicks and ACS&S) that I can go to and get parts. Oh yeah, the order for 200 widgets made enough profit for the widget makers that they decided to retire and bail out of the ratrace ...... nad now Vendor X is looking for another supplier!

Sorry for the creativity and loss of bandwidth, but I was on a roll!!!
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[quote] I guess we can get bad service from anyone we deal with. I had a similar situation with ACS. It took over two months to get in an order that should have come in the first pass. The parts I really needed just dribbled in. I've not encountered that with Wicks. Around here, I talked with several others who had the same kinds of problems with ACS; so, I figured it was a company to not do business with. Later on, I helped another build a RV-9A. I had warned him of my problems with ACS; but, he tried them anyway. By the time he got his oil and fuel hoses, he was totally fed up with them. We can probably find poor service from any source we talk about; but, it's been my experience, and that of others, that Wicks has done a better job. Unfortunately, they don't have the same level of offerings as ACS. Like I said, I gave the company a second chance, as suggested. I was not satisfied.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:08 am    Post subject: Aircraft Spruce terrible Service? Reply with quote

There's a rumor going around that if you live on the west coast, your service with ACS is better than if you live on the east coast. I have never had a problem with them when the parts came from their california location...I have had one or two issues from what I recall if they came from the east coast location...too strange..I do remember talking with someone who has heard the same thing. Live close to CA, get fine service and delivery..east coast, maybe not. Central? Well, like rolling the dice I guess.

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[quote] I guess we can get bad service from anyone we deal with. I had a similar situation with ACS. It took over two months to get in an order that should have come in the first pass. The parts I really needed just dribbled in. I've not encountered that with Wicks. Around here, I talked with several others who had the same kinds of problems with ACS; so, I figured it was a company to not do business with. Later on, I helped another build a RV-9A. I had warned him of my problems with ACS; but, he tried them anyway. By the time he got his oil and fuel hoses, he was totally fed up with them. We can probably find poor service from any source we talk about; but, it's been my experience, and that of others, that Wicks has done a better job. Unfortunately, they don't have the same level of offerings as ACS. Like I said, I gave the company a second chance, as suggested. I was not satisfied.

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