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jsflan(at)valornet.com
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:33 am Post subject: N-number

With the Mark III about fit to fly, I am about to initiate the LSA  registration process, hopefully simply and without too much fed flak.  I am  told by the airport manager here that this can be done on-line.  

  

 Someone on the list earlier mentioned selection of an N number and a site  on line where those Kolb numbers already taken can be found,  to keep from  filing what might be  a duplicate number application. 

  

 I would appreciate finding out how to carry this process through and any  other tips to ease  completion. Example, whether first joining EAA or AOPA  is a necessity or simplifies this process. 

  

 Also would like to know if my many repairs to date and tweaking problems  qualifies this as Experimental Amateur built and can go under my name as builder  since the provenance is obscure and whether that is an advantage or asking for  trouble later. 

  

 Should the Mark III be put in Special Light-Sport  Aircraft or  Experimental  Light-Sport Aircraft?  I would think Experimental.

  

 Thanks for any help with zipping through this process. I just want to be  left alone to fly without worrying about the shadow of ramp-check Gestapo.

  

 jsf

  

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Steve Boetto

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 364

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:18 am Post subject: N-number

A few years ago Bruce Chestnut, Pres of TNK, wrote a nice guide on the full  process. It is available at TNK. Call Travis. EAA is also a good source.

 steve

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jindoguy(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:27 am Post subject: N-number

John, You can go to http://www.faa.gov/. Along the right side of the page is Top Requests and the third item down is Aircraft Registration. About 2/3 of the way down the Aircraft Registration page in N numbers. From that page you can search for available numbers and reserve them online. The list may include numbers that have been reserved, but not issued yet and if you pick one of them you will be told in about three weeks, sorry it's taken.  

You might be able to get your aircraft through the experimental amatuer built registration, it depends on whether you get a pencil whipper for a DAR. If you get a good DAR, he'll probably smell a rat when there isn't sufficient paperwork,  i.e. receipts for parts, or a lengthy builder's log to support your claim that you built it. It will be up to him whether you get a repairman's certificate or not. If he won't give it, your stuck trying to find an A & P to get your annuals done. I'm assuming you don't have an approved  i.e. type certificated engine and prop so you'll get a 40 hour phase one fly off period.

If you go the E-LSA route, S-LSA isn't an option, you or anyone else who buys your aircraft down the road can go take the 16 hour class and get your Repairman Inspection certificate for THAT AIRCRAFT ONLY. If you get another aircraft someday, you'll have to take the class again. When the DAR comes out and inspects your aircraft you will only get a 5 hour phase 1 testing period to fly off. 

You can get a packet from EAA for $17.95 that has all the forms you need or you can call Rainbow Aviation Services at 530-824-0644 and get all the forms in their packet for $5.00. The RAS packet is LSA friendly and will probably make it easier. 



Rick

On 9/14/06,  john s. flannery <jsflan(at)valornet.com (jsflan(at)valornet.com)> wrote:[quote]          With the Mark III about fit to fly, I am about to initiate the LSA  registration process, hopefully simply and without too much fed flak.  I am  told by the airport manager here that this can be done on-line.  

  

 Someone on the list earlier mentioned selection of an N number and a site  on line where those Kolb numbers already taken can be found,  to keep from  filing what might be  a duplicate number application. 

  

 I would appreciate finding out how to carry this process through and any  other tips to ease  completion. Example, whether first joining EAA or AOPA  is a necessity or simplifies this process. 

  

 Also would like to know if my many repairs to date and tweaking problems  qualifies this as Experimental Amateur built and can go under my name as builder  since the provenance is obscure and whether that is an advantage or asking for  trouble later. 

  

 Should the Mark III be put in Special Light-Sport  Aircraft or  Experimental  Light-Sport Aircraft?  I would think Experimental.

  

 Thanks for any help with zipping through this process. I just want to be  left alone to fly without worrying about the shadow of ramp-check Gestapo.

  

 jsf

  

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rlaird

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 373
Location: Houston

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:05 am Post subject: N-number

On 9/14/06, Richard Girard <jindoguy(at)gmail.com> wrote:

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		   If you go the E-LSA route, S-LSA isn't an option, you or anyone else who

 buys your aircraft down the road can go take the 16 hour class and get your

 Repairman Inspection certificate for THAT AIRCRAFT ONLY. If you get another

 aircraft someday, you'll have to take the class again.


	


Rick --



I took the 16 hour class... our instructor said that the class

certificate was valid for any aircraft we owned in that type (fixed

wing).  We take the certificate and the airworthiness certificate do

the FSDO, and they issue a Repairman Certificate for you for that

plane.  If you get another fixed-wing plane, then take IT'S

airworthiness down the FSDO, and you get a R.C. for that plane, and so

on.



  -- Robert

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Roger Lee

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1464
Location: Tucson, Az.

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:26 am Post subject: Re: N-number

Hi Rick,



You can go right to the FAA site . Then it will guide you to the "reserve an N number" section. You can pick your own number. If it is in use or reserved it will tell you and you can pick another. The cost to reserve your own N number is $10. It's a piece of cake. I have done it 3 times.

You can only register your Kolb as an ELSA. SLSA is for factory built and approved aircraft from FAA.  My new FD CT is SLSA. The ELSA will allow you to take the 16 Hr. course. Then you get the Local FSDO to sign your application form and presto you can do your own condition inspections. So long as you own the plane you can put as many aircraft on that ticket as you want. There is no limit, but you must own the plane. If you sell it then you have them remove you from that certificate. When you buy another ELSA then you can be put back on a condition inspection certificate again. You do not have to take the course again. If you have any questions EAA will be happy to set you in the right direction, ask for Joe. I have done all of this and have not had any issues.

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Tucson, Az.
Rotax Instructor & Rotax IRC
Light Sport Repairman
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dhkey(at)msn.com
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:09 am Post subject: N-number

Robert,

I was told for each airplane you'll need to retake the class, the class was 

only good for one plane.

David

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		  From: "Robert Laird" <rlaird(at)cavediver.com>

Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: N-number

Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:04:27 -0500

On 9/14/06, Richard Girard <jindoguy(at)gmail.com> wrote:

>If you go the E-LSA route, S-LSA isn't an option, you or anyone else who

>buys your aircraft down the road can go take the 16 hour class and get 

>your

>Repairman Inspection certificate for THAT AIRCRAFT ONLY. If you get 

>another

>aircraft someday, you'll have to take the class again.

Rick --

I took the 16 hour class... our instructor said that the class

certificate was valid for any aircraft we owned in that type (fixed

wing).  We take the certificate and the airworthiness certificate do

the FSDO, and they issue a Repairman Certificate for you for that

plane.  If you get another fixed-wing plane, then take IT'S

airworthiness down the FSDO, and you get a R.C. for that plane, and so

on.

  -- Robert

jsflan(at)valornet.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:15 am Post subject: N-number

Thanks for the good information posted on N-number and Aircraft  Registration generally from many quarters. 

  

 A few hours ago, I found a potentially deadly situation in the red  renovation. 

  

 Replacing the old seatbelts, I  was about to cut off one of the red  overspray painted  belts. I flicked the head of this rivet, it came free  and that was it. That seatbelt on the pilot's side had ONE pop  rivet attaching it (and me) to the airframe. The other belt on pilot's side was  100 percent better. Two pop rivets...! 

  

 I would dearly like to find that person who set me up for potential life  loss. So if you are purchasing a Kolb from anyone, please go over it with a  fine-toothed comb and with the eyes of a couple of other people. 

  

 jsf

  

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Roger Lee

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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:12 pm Post subject: Re: N-number

You only have to take the class once. You then can add or subtract what ever planes you own on or off the certificate. Call EAA they will be glad to give you all the info you want. I liked the class. It was informative. I changed a few things on my Kolb when I got home.

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Tucson, Az.
Rotax Instructor & Rotax IRC
Light Sport Repairman
Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
Cell 520-349-7056

Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1597
Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 5:35 am Post subject: N-number

David,



I suspect the confusion is as follows. The Repairman's Certificate that 

the builder of an aircraft registered as an Experimental Amateur-Built 

aircraft earns, is for ONLY that airplane, and no class is required for 

this. As others have stated the Repairman's Certificate that an E-LSA 

owner can get after taking and passing the 16 hour class is good for 

any and all E-LSAs that he owns as long as they are in the same type of 

aircraft that the class taken was addressing.



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Thom in Buffalo

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by0ung(at)brigham.net
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Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 6:42 am Post subject: N-number

You can get a packet from EAA for $17.95 that has all the forms you need or

you can call Rainbow Aviation Services at 530-824-0644 and get all the forms

in their packet for $5.00. The RAS packet is LSA friendly and will probably

make it easier.

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Call your local fsdo office,,,,  they sent me out a package for free.



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