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mgraves(at)usmo.com
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 2:45 am Post subject: pictures

Hi Matt.



 The file size was fine,  and I personally appreciate folks taking the time to reduce the images down to under 200kb



 the problem in this instance with the long download time,  was the poster placed several as in 5-6 images in one email. making them a total of  1/2 MB download.



 It makes no difference if its one big attachment,  or several smaller ones all in one email.........  a 1 MB email,  takes about 20 minutes to download on my 26000 buad rate (fastest possible on my dial where I live.)



 The poster didn't know.  He made and honest effort, and still caught flak over it....  I appreciate the effort.  They were good pictures,   I enjoyed seeing them, and I hope he sells his plane.



 If he had placed each picture in a separate email it wouldn't have been a problem for dial up users.



 I am not trying to ruffle any feathers this time.  Or whining.  Just trying to explain what took place.  I can live with Matts limit of 1Mb restriction,  although I would vote to see it reduced to 300kb....    (which, that size image fills the screen anyway)  But its not up to me.



 Anything larger than 1/2 MB download for dial up users is going to cause  a problem,  wether its a single 1/2 MB file or a group of smaller files attatched...totaling   1/2 MB



 And yes most dial up users can figure out how to delete the huge files that hang up our email downloads.   But then we don't get to see the pictures.... And ADMIRE your handy work.  (the point of posting the picture in the first place)  So if you want all of us to see your photos.........  keep the images around 200-300 kb in file size,  and add them as single attachments  everyone will be happy.   



 Sincerely,



 Monty Graves



 

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		  Are you sure that your modem didn't connect at a very slow rate for some reason?  



 Below is a listing of all of the enclosures that were posted to the Zenith-List during the Month of September so far.  Email encoding might increase the size shown by 30-40%.    No given email message was larger than 1MB even with the enclosures.  These 22 days adds up to roughly 6 to 9MB total depending on the encoding.  Divided by 22 days, that's less than 300,000 bytes per day on the average. 



 Combining today and yesterday's posts, there were only 428KB of enclosures posted to the Zenith-List.



 During the month of September so far, four posting were rejected due to a message size that exceeded the 1MB limit.  Respectively, these four email message sizes were: 1.4MB, 1.6MB, 1.08MB, and 1.6MB.  So, even if the rejected messages had made it though, the total impact would have still have been minimal.



 I am suspecting either that your modem is connecting at a very slow rate (2400 baud) instead of 28,800 or 57,600 which is substantially increasing your download times.  Or, you are receiving email from another source other than the Matronics Lists that contains large enclosure data (perhaps some spam messages that are being automatically redirected to a trash folder.)



 Hope this helps you track down the problem.



 Best regards,



 Matt Dralle



 

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d.goddard(at)ns.sympatico
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:35 am Post subject: pictures

Hi Monty, I coped with dial up for some time, and still do from time to 

time. Here is how I have my dial connection set up using Outlook express. 

There are better programs out there but OE seems the most used. On dial, I 

limited the size of downloads for individual messages to 25 KB, that is 

small and you might choose another number. That allowed me to quickly 

retrieve almost all text based messages. All un-retrieved messages were left 

on the server. I manually tagged many of them for deletion and left the 

computer to retrieve all messages left on the server by itself after 

midnight. This allowed me to cope with many lists and not sit by the 

computer waiting for downloads. It can be done, I know a journalist who 

worked with foreign correspondents who would send several minutes of video 

through very slow dial lines while they were out doing other work.



It hasn't come up but using rich text (html) and staionary is a huge load on 

dial connections that has no value at all. It often doubles the size of the 

file.

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		  Hi Matt.



The file size was fine,  and I personally appreciate folks taking the time 

to reduce the images down to under 200kb



the problem in this instance with the long download time,  was the poster 

placed several as in 5-6 images in one email. >making them a total of  1/2 

MB download.

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naumuk(at)alltel.net
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:42 am Post subject: pictures

Monty-

     If you're using IE, isn't there  a little paper clip to the left of the message line indicating there's an  attachment? If there is, right click, go to "Properties" and it will tell you  how big the file is. You can then choose whether to open the post.

     Where the heck do you live that  only offers 28K service?? I have a buddy of mine that lives in Point Barrow,  Alaska, and his DSL service is better than mine!!

 Bill Naumuk

HDS Fuselage

Townville,  Pa

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mgraves(at)usmo.com
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:09 am Post subject: pictures

You have missed the point completely, along with many others. Please don't take any offense at this,  because none was intended....  Dial up folks don't want to delete anything.   They would like to see the attachments just like everyone else.



 DSL can not be offered in my area until fiber optic trunk lines are laid.  Which I doubt happens in the next 5 years.   Not enough people live in the country to justify the expense for the phone companies,  the only other option I have is direct satellite Internet..   I have checked into it,  its still considerably more expensive than  city folks  pay for DSL,  with limits on max MB download limits.



 Dial up is the only choice if no DSL is available in your area.......  ,  any rural area really outside of a town or city  limits  all over the midwest, 



 I live in Central MO,  19 miles from the nearest Wal-Mart



 But I got a 1600 grass strip 100 ft from my front door....... with a nice 50 x 60 hangar,    eat your heart out.  



 we need to move on to something other than this picture thing.    It will work out in time.  My post to Matt was to clear up what exactly happened to cause dial up folks problems.



 Monty Graves

 701 plans builder

 and full time farmer in Mid MO



 

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 [quote]Monty-

     If you're using IE, isn't there a little paper clip to the left of the message line indicating there's an attachment? If there is, right click, go to "Properties" and it will tell you how big the file is. You can then choose whether to open the post.

     Where the heck do you live that only offers 28K service?? I have a buddy of mine that lives in Point Barrow, Alaska, and his DSL service is better than mine!!

 Bill Naumuk

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Matt Dralle
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Joined: 08 Nov 2005
Posts: 25550
Location: Livermore CA USA

Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:34 pm Post subject: pictures

At 03:36 AM 9/23/2006  Saturday, you wrote:

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		  Hi Matt.



<snip>



It makes no difference if its one big attachment,  or several smaller ones all in one email.........  a 1 MB email,  takes about 20 minutes to download on my 26000 buad rate (fastest possible on my dial where I live.)


	


Monty, my point is that it shouldn't take 20 minutes to download a 1MB file over a 28800 modem connection.  Here's the math:



                1,000,000 bytes

        X       10 bits (8bits in a byte plus a start and stop bit)

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                10,000,000 bits

                10,000,000 bits

        /       28800 bits per second

--------------------------------------------------

                347 seconds

                347 seconds

        /       60 seconds per minute

--------------------------------------------------

                5.78 minutes total download time.

Based on your 20 minute download time, your effective download rate is on the order of 8323 baud, not 28800 baud.



You might want to take a look at your modem and phone line and make sure everything is working correctly.  You could find a new modem or configuration change might yield a 4 to 5 times increase in throughput.



Matt Dralle



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naumuk(at)alltel.net
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:57 pm Post subject: pictures

Monty-    

     I live in the boondocks of N/W  Pa., 18 miles from the nearest Wal-Mart, and my next-door neighbor has a pasture  that has about 2000' usable. For better or worse, I built a 601 series that  isn't a good match for the pasture.

     I'm really at a loss as to what  you're asking of people when they post. A file is a file, no  matter what method you use to open it. Even if listers break  their post into bite size pieces, you still have to open all the pieces, which  will take more time than a single send.

     I'm afraid you're in a no win  situation.

     Good building!

 Bill Naumuk

HDS Fuselage

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zodierocket(at)hsfx.ca
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 2:35 pm Post subject: pictures

Though I'm not bitching about the photo size as I appreciate the ability

to see pictures now, I do oftentimes use my cell phone hooked up to my

laptop, and if you think dial up is slow you should see my cell bills!

But, be that as it may, my only suggestion is for you folks sending

pictures to really cut them down to 50kbs, then if anyone requires a

higher quality just send them the 1 meg file directly. It doesn't matter

either way to me, typically if I get nailed with a large download over

my cell phone I'm at a coffee shop anyways. I'll just have another Java

until I get to see the picture. 



Cdngoose

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