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rexjan(at)bigpond.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 4:18 pm Post subject: Grove gear

i am thinking of

       upgrading to grove gear and would like any opinions on doing  so.



 Ron,

          I have  Grove gear and love it. On the other hand I have no experience with tube  gear.  However in my opinion Grove gear seems a bit more robust and has a  wider track. Logically this means it will not groundloop quite as  easilly.

                                                                                                                                                             Rex.

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lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:22 pm Post subject: Grove gear

I  too have the aluminum spring gear.  All great except the one negative, it 

will add about 15 lbs to the empty wt of the airplane.  I have friends that 

are more concerned with short field performance and every pound is a real 

negative for them.



Lowell

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dave(at)cfisher.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:37 am Post subject: Grove gear

I have never flown a grove gear airplane .  

 I have flown many bungee aircaft including Kitfox  and Avid Flyers. 

 I don't know where all the fear comes from with  regards to ground looping, unstable tube gear etc  as the kitfox is a  pretty tame aircraft  in flight and take off and landing. 

 I think the pilot can be blamed for most of this  fear. 

  

 Trigear pilots are esentially lazy footed creatures  and do have troubles adapting to flying a taildraggger at  times but it is  like walking. You were given to feet but if you don;t move them you will not  walk.  In a taildragger if you don't use them then you cannot steer.  

  

 Next time you out flying your fox go practice X  wind landings 10 to 15 knot  (at) 90 degrees if you can find a suitable spot  and preferably a grass strip.  If you cannot handle that then you should  look up that Andrew CFI  that posted here and get some help.   

  

 Sorry to sound harsh guys but your Kitfox will fly  in same conditions as a c 152  or 172  and I don't see them grounded  often.

  

 as far as weight of grove gear ........ It just  extra weight to carry around. 

 I do not know which gear is more rugged but the  tube style gear load is carried over over 2 attact points about a foot or more  apart and the grove gear is attached in a smaller spot so I would only guess  that the load exerted is greater on the attach points of the bottom of fuselage.  

  

 Dave

  

  

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mike
Guest

Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 5:59 am Post subject: Re: Grove gear

why is it that when something is harder, it's the way to go???  I have flown both the bungy gear and the grove gear and I will say the grove is much safer and easier to land.  My self, I prefer the safer.  I have the grove and that's that.  When you have a landing that is hard(you know those last couple feet and you just drop for no reason), the grove is going to hold up, when you come in and get a dust devil that throws you around, the grove will help(wider stance).  Oh and lets not forget, you don't have to put those bungies on every year either, or after a hard one.

mike
Guest

Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:02 am Post subject: Re: Grove gear

Oh one last thing, 15lbs. My answer to that is drink more water and eat less Twinkies.

dave(at)cfisher.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:36 am Post subject: Grove gear

Mike ,



Are you saying it is less safe to fly a Kitfox without a Grove gear ?



I think a poll should be done on that topic alone. Have you had a bad 

experience with a tube gear ?

Sorry I cannot see how a proficient pillot could make a statement like that.

Dave

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occom

Joined: 26 Aug 2006
Posts: 404

Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:03 am Post subject: Grove gear

 	  Quote: 	
		   why is it that when something is harder, it's the way to go???  I have 

 flown >both the bungy gear and the grove gear and I will say the grove is 

 much >safer and easier to land.  My self, I prefer the safer.  I have the 

 grove and >that's that.


	


But Mike- following that logic it would be easier to have only tricycle 

gear. It seems a lot of people have the original gear and find it perfectly 

adequate. The tone of your post seems to imply they are just plain wrong.

janderson412(at)hotmail.c
Guest

Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 1:29 pm Post subject: Grove gear

Ask  seasoned Spitfire / Mustang pilots. The former type is a pig on the 

ground to the latter as he's used to the wider Mustang track. But the 

Spitfire pilot knows no diff...until he tries the Mustang..

From: "Dave" <dave(at)cfisher.com>

Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

To: <kitfox-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: Re: Grove gear

Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 11:35:21 -0400






Mike ,



Are you saying it is less safe to fly a Kitfox without a Grove gear ?



I think a poll should be done on that topic alone. Have you had a bad 

experience with a tube gear ?

Sorry I cannot see how a proficient pillot could make a statement like that.

Dave

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dan(at)azshowersolutions.
Guest

Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:23 pm Post subject: Grove gear

Well said John....:>)

   

  Dan, Mesa

  314DW - IV- 912s- Groves spring gear



John Anderson <janderson412(at)hotmail.com> wrote:

  [quote]--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" 



Ask seasoned Spitfire / Mustang pilots. The former type is a pig on the 

ground to the latter as he's used to the wider Mustang track. But the 

Spitfire pilot knows no diff...until he tries the Mustang..

From: "Dave" 

Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

To: 

Subject: Re: Re: Grove gear

Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 11:35:21 -0400



--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" 



Mike ,



Are you saying it is less safe to fly a Kitfox without a Grove gear ?



I think a  poll should be done on that topic alone. Have you had a bad 

experience with a tube gear ?

Sorry I cannot see how a proficient pillot could make a statement like that.

Dave

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jleathem(at)cogeco.ca
Guest

Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 5:47 pm Post subject: Grove gear

Ron, my advice is to do it.  We switched to Grove gear a couple of years ago and it was the best investment we have made in the aircraft.  Much easier to handle on the ground, x-wind landings are much easier and the gear does not bounce as much as the bungies.  I’ve done landings that may have collapsed the original gear but the Grove gear just absorbed the impacts and kept the aircraft straight and manageable on the runway.  It’s like flying in a different aircraft.  

   

J. Trevor Leathem  

Ontario, Canada  

   

   

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szakreski(at)shaw.ca
Guest

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:43 am Post subject: Grove gear

"Ask  seasoned Spitfire / Mustang pilots...."     



Boy, there must be lots of those around.    



SteveZ.

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janderson412(at)hotmail.c
Guest

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:11 pm Post subject: Grove gear

War Birds revival....my generation missed out, but go to any big warbirds 

show now and see the line up..



From:  Steve Zakreski <szakreski(at)shaw.ca>

Reply-To:  kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

To:  kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Subject:  RE: Re: Grove gear

Date:  Tue, 26 Sep 2006 05:42:46 -0600




"Ask  seasoned Spitfire / Mustang pilots...."



Boy, there must be lots of those around.    



SteveZ.

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