Matronics Email Lists :: View topic

Matronics Email Lists
Web Forum Interface to the Matronics Email Lists

Get Email Distribution Too! FAQ Search Memberlist Usergroups Register

Profile Log in to check your private messages Log in

A modest proposal

Matronics Email Lists Forum Index -> TeamGrumman-List

View previous topic :: View next topic

Author Message

FLYaDIVE(at)AOL.COM
Guest

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:56 pm Post subject: A modest proposal

In a message dated 9/25/06 10:23:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 

bob.hodo(at)yahoo.com writes:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Barry who is usually a very reliable sorce of info, seems to be in a bad 

mood 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   tonite.

     

    Now Barry, you know we aren't supposed to have any alcohol in our planes!

     

    Seriously, it is a big no-no.

===============================
	


Bob:



You are correct ... I recently read in the NY Times and also herd it on the 

news that our government has mandated that by 2010 ALL GAS will have at least 

10% alcohol (call it ethanol if you wish).  That puts me in a VERY BAD MOOD.  

It is a great way to reduce the numbers in interest of flying GA.  Sort of a 

squeeze play on GA.



You are correct in an other way also.  I have been flying two RV's 

(Experimental) more than I have been flying my Grumman of late.  And in both of them I 

have been using MoGas, as I always have done; now it is with alcohol.  BTW, the 

planes fly and I cannot really notice any difference.  Maybe in GPH but only 

time will tell about the long term effects.  I would guess that Lycoming 

engines will have the same problems as automotive engines and vice-a-versa.

I also have an idea about spending some of the AYA monies but the GG is not 

the place to discuss that.

- - -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Team and Gang Readers of the Team:



OK, the AYA money expenditure idea is this:

Why not develop a test to determine if alcohol does affect our engines?

I know, I know, the number of people in the AYA that fly using MoGas is very 

small and the AYA will not see any return on their monies ... Unless we take 

the test information and publish it in aviation magazines.

But the test would be very simple, here is my first draft on the testing 

process:

1 - Obtain five (5) sets of ALL gaskets and sealant used in our fuel system 

and engine.

One set to be the control group.

One set to be 100% immersed in 92 Octane in a sealed glass container such as 

a baby food jar.

One set to be only 50% immersed in 92 Octane in a sealed glass container such 

as a baby food jar.

One set to be 100% immersed in AvGas 100 LL in a sealed glass container such 

as a baby food jar.

One set to be only 50% immersed in AvGas 100 LL in a sealed glass container 

such as a baby food jar.

2 - Measurements will be done on ALL parts.  Measurements will consist of 

Dimensional and Weight.  If parts are too small for gram scale measurements 

Specific Gravity can be used.

3 - Gas will be replace in all test containers every 2 weeks.

4 - Measurements will be done every month.

5 - A report will be issued under two conditions - a> If there is a 

catastrophic failure. b> At the end of one year.

Note: The test can be continued longer than a year if the need or gut feeling 

(skepticism) insists or is non conclusive.

Note: Whenever possible a listing of the types of material being tested will 

be kept.

Note: It should also be noted if any or all parts are available in different 

materials.



End of proposal.  And a Modest one at that!



Side note - Did you know that the gasket used on ALL of our Fuel Level 

Sending Units is the SAME material used on AUTOMOTIVE applications.  HMmmmm ever 

hear of those gaskets failing in say 25 years?  Well, mine finally did after 32 

years  

Barry

"Chop'd Liver"

- The Matronics TeamGrumman-List Email Forum -

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List

GrummanDude

Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 926
Location: Auburn, CA

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:54 am Post subject: A modest proposal

For the last 25+ years, I've been hearing about the demise of AvGas and 

how we'll all start flying diesels, and how general aviation will 

crumble.  It will never happen.  Not in my lifetime, anyway.  Before 

any major changes to fuel take place, all of the engine manufactures 

will have to design, develop and approve - at no cost to the airplane 

owner - sequential port fuel injection with closed loop engine 

management.



Recent tests of alcohol blended fuel have shown that, aside from 

reducing demand on crude oil, it has less heat energy (less bang for 

your buck) and actually is more polluting and costly to make.



Stop sweating the small stuff.  If you want to spend money on anything, 

start spending money on a sequential port fuel injection system for 

Lycomings.



--

- The Matronics TeamGrumman-List Email Forum -

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List

_________________
Gary
AuCountry Aviation
Home of Team Grumman

FLYaDIVE(at)AOL.COM
Guest

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:27 am Post subject: A modest proposal

In a message dated 9/26/06 12:57:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 

teamgrumman(at)aol.com writes:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Stop sweating the small stuff.  If you want to spend money on anything, 

  start spending money on a sequential port fuel injection system for 

  Lycomings.

=====================
	


How can we do that?  Wouldn't that be something only Lycoming can do to their 

engines and approve ... With the FAA's blessing?



Barry

"Chop'd Liver"

- The Matronics TeamGrumman-List Email Forum -

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List

GrummanDude

Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 926
Location: Auburn, CA

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 10:05 pm Post subject: A modest proposal

STC



--

- The Matronics TeamGrumman-List Email Forum -

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List

_________________
Gary
AuCountry Aviation
Home of Team Grumman

Display posts from previous:

	Matronics Email Lists Forum Index -> TeamGrumman-List	All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Page 1 of 1

Jump to:

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum