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neilsenrmf(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:09 am Post subject: Looking for a Firestar(off list)

Mike



You made you point, why do you feel the need to rub his nose in it? How 

would you feel if you had done that to a perfectly good airplane and someone 

kept making posts to the world about how you screwed up. It was necessary to 

keep others from not making the same mistake but please let it go.



Thanks



Rick Neilsen

Redrive VW powered MKIIIc



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firebug

Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Posts: 36
Location: Montgomery Alabama

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:15 am Post subject: Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list)

Thanks for your comment. Believe me the plane was not perfectly good. He had rapped the chafing tape around the perimeter of the tail feathers as well as other parts and glued it to the surfaces. He then glued the fabric to the chafing tape. That is not good. He then neglected to put surface tape on the exterior along the high spots. I also refered to this as chafing tape as it is there to keep the fabric from being chafed through.

JetPilot

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1246

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:30 pm Post subject: Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list)

 	  neilsenrmf(at)comcast.net wrote: 	
		  Mike



You made you point, why do you feel the need to rub his nose in it? How 

would you feel if you had done that to a perfectly good airplane and someone 

kept making posts to the world about how you screwed up. It was necessary to 

keep others from not making the same mistake but please let it go.



	




I asked the question as ANY potiental buyer of that airplane is going to ask... I talked about it again because some others pointed out that firebug was in error in what he described, Firebug still defended what he had done as being correct...  I posted again not to rub his nose in it, but to generate more discussion on the matter and maybe we could all learn more from this.  



If I made a mistake, I would admint it and try to learn enough from people on the list so that I would make the same mistake again.  So it was brought up a couple times, big deal.  The way Firebug verbally assaulted me in a very nasty way for questioning why he did that tells a lot about the kind of man he is.  Given Firebugs response to a legitimate question about an airplane he is selling, I would never buy an airplane, or do any type of business with him.

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kinnepix(at)earthlink.net
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 2:58 pm Post subject: Looking for a Firestar(off list)

I agree. He had reasons for removing the fabric, and it's his  

aircraft -- you don't need to jump all over him  for it.

Let's keep the List friendly and cooperative -- not abrasive or  

scolding.

On Jan 23, 2006, at 3:30 PM, JetPilot wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 neilsenrmf(at)comcast.net wrote:

> Mike

>

> You made you point, why do you feel the need to rub his nose in  

> it? How

> would you feel if you had done that to a perfectly good airplane  

> and someone

> kept making posts to the world about how you screwed up. It was  

> necessary to

> keep others from not making the same mistake but please let it go.

 I asked the question as ANY potiental buyer of that airplane is  

 going to ask... I talked about it again because some others pointed  

 out that firebug was in error in what he described, Firebug still  

 defended what he had done as being correct...  I posted again not  

 to rub his nose in it, but to generate more discussion on the  

 matter and maybe we could all learn more from this.

 If I made a mistake, I would admint it and try to learn enough from  

 people on the list so that I would make the same mistake again.  So  

 it was brought up a couple times, big deal.  The way Firebug  

 verbally assaulted me in a very nasty way for questioning why he  

 did that tells a lot about the kind of man he is.  Given Firebugs  

 response to a legitimate question about an airplane he is selling,  

 I would never buy an airplane, or do any type of business with him.

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 NO FEAR -  If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could  

 have !!!

 Read this topic online here:

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6238#6238

JetPilot

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1246

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 3:06 pm Post subject: Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list)

 	  kinnepix(at)earthlink.net wrote: 	
		  I agree. He had reasons for removing the fabric, and it's his  

aircraft -- you don't need to jump all over him  for it.

	




I did not jump all over Firebug, although I did ask Firebug a hard question about an airplane he is selling as number of people did.    Any buyer interested in that airplane is going to question that.  So lets see here, I asked a question and you accuse me of jumping all over firebug.   The only on that posted a mean, attacking post here was firebug and you ignore it( see below)  Something is clearly wrong with your judgement and thinking kinnepix(at)earthlink.net     



 	  Firebug wrote: 	
		  TO JETPILOT: There are always a few like you on every board talking when you should shut up. You do not know what you are talking about. I would hate to fly anything you have built. Yes there are areas under the fabric where you put chafing tape. There are also areas on the surface you put it, sometimes it is refered to as surface tape. Its function on the surface is to keep the fabric from being rubbed through, chafed when it is struck at a high point on the airframe. He had NONE of this, that is a sign of a poorly built plane in my opinion. The high spots are going to be hit period. You put surface or chafing tape on the high spots to double the thickness of the fabric. LOOK at a factory built Cub if you don't believe me. You DO NOT rap chafing tape all the way around the frame of the rudder, horizontal stabilizer, elevator etc and THEN glue the fabric to the chafing tape. The fabric is glued to the structure of the rudder, elevator, horizintal stabilizer etc. He had chafi! 

ng tape glued all the way around the perimeter of the tail feathers. Can you understand that do I need to draw you a picture? He also did the same thing to the rest of the airframe. What do you fly? I find it hard to believe it is a jet.

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jimh474(at)earthlink.net
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 3:28 pm Post subject: Looking for a Firestar(off list)

Y'all;



Don't y'all think it would be a good idea to drop this thread as it will 

lead to a no good end. I feel this ole horse has been whipped enough.



Jim Hauck

On 1/23/2006 5:56:15 PM, kolb-list(at)matronics.com wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 I agree. He had reasons for removing the fabric, and

 it's his

 aircraft -- you don't need to jump all over him  for it.

 Let's keep the List friendly and cooperative -- not abrasive or

 scolding.



 On Jan 23, 2006, at 3:30 PM, JetPilot wrote:



 > 

 >

 >

 > neilsenrmf(at)comcast.net wrote:

 >> Mike

 >>

 >> You made you point, why do you feel the need to rub his nose in

 >> it? How

 >> would you feel if you had done that to a perfectly good airplane

 >> and someone

 >> kept making posts to the world about how you screwed up. It was

 >> necessary to

 >> keep others from not making the same mistake but please let it go.

 >>

 >>

 >

 >

 > I asked the question as ANY potiental buyer of that airplane is

 > going to ask... I talked about it again because some others pointed

 > out that firebug was in error in what he described, Firebug still

 > defended what he had done as being correct...  I posted again not

 > to rub his nose in it,

firebug

Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Posts: 36
Location: Montgomery Alabama

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list)

I am over it.

JetPilot

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1246

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 3:49 pm Post subject: Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list)

 	  firebug wrote: 	
		  I am over it. 	


Firebug, you come into the list and on your second day here post the meanest, nastiest, attacking post I have ever seen here....  And all you can say is I am over it..  That just shows what kind of a man you are.



Nothing short of a very public, and sincere apology would even begin to correct this.



 	  firebug wrote: 	
		  

TO JETPILOT: There are always a few like you on every board talking when you should shut up. You do not know what you are talking about. I would hate to fly anything you have built. Yes there are areas under the fabric where you put chafing tape. There are also areas on the surface you put it, sometimes it is refered to as surface tape. Its function on the surface is to keep the fabric from being rubbed through, chafed when it is struck at a high point on the airframe. He had NONE of this, that is a sign of a poorly built plane in my opinion. The high spots are going to be hit period. You put surface or chafing tape on the high spots to double the thickness of the fabric. LOOK at a factory built Cub if you don't believe me. You DO NOT rap chafing tape all the way around the frame of the rudder, horizontal stabilizer, elevator etc and THEN glue the fabric to the chafing tape. The fabric is glued to the structure of the rudder, elevator, horizintal stabilizer etc. He had chafi! 

ng tape glued all the way around the perimeter of the tail feathers. Can you understand that do I need to draw you a picture? He also did the same thing to the rest of the airframe. What do you fly? I find it hard to believe it is a jet.

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firebug

Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Posts: 36
Location: Montgomery Alabama

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list)

JetPilot: I suggest you go back and read your posts and maybe you will see why I was offended and deffended myself. When provoked I will strike back quickly. I make my living saving lives and have done so many times. Believe me I do have compassion but not when I am on the receiveing end of remarks such as yours. You meant nothing more but to degrade me with what you said. I am easy to get along with until someone makes remarks like yours. I am not the only one that thinks you meant to cut me by what you said on this forum. From what I have read most agree with me about that. I suggest you look at Jerb's post, the one dirrectly after your first one, he asked the same questions you did without trying to make me look like an idiot. If you have a habit of making degrading posts like the ones to me I am surprised mine is the worst one you have read. I promise everyone on this forum, if ya'll could have seen the cover job you would not have flown the plane. The rest of the build was fine, better than fine. As I stated earlier, I bought the plane over the internet without personally inspecting it. I will never do that again. It was 1200 miles from me and looked fine in the photos. Bad mistake. I WILL NOT POST AGAIN CONCERNING JETPILOT.

wcm(at)tampabay.rr.com
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:21 pm Post subject: Looking for a Firestar(off list)

JetPilot

Stop it already, you are such a whiner.



Please , you started all this. Be a man and let it go.



do not archive

JetPilot

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1246

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list)

 	  wcm(at)tampabay.rr.com wrote: 	
		  

Stop it already, you are such a whiner.



	




When someone comes into the list and on their second day posts a nasty persontal attack as firebug did, that is totally wrong and uncalled for.  



The fact that you support this, and tell me to quietly take firebugs abuse, shows me that something seriously wrong with your judgement and thinking.  The fact that you are now posting a personal attack tells me that you are in the same class as firebug.  Totally against the spirit of this forum and uncalled for on both of your parts.

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Dave Pelletier

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 100
Location: Prescott, Arizona

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 7:46 am Post subject: Looking for a Firestar(off list)

To Matt Dralle:



Matt,



    Maybe it would be good to incorporate some sort of "squelch" button on 

here so we could just automatically delete messages from people who are 

using the list to bicker at one another.  I for one, am tired of this.



AzDave



Do Not Archive



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firebug

Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Posts: 36
Location: Montgomery Alabama

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:18 am Post subject: Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list)

I totally agree!

flht99reh(at)netzero.net
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:10 pm Post subject: Looking for a Firestar(off list)

Good point, "squelch button: Now you can relate to all the poor individuals

that like a movie but not the dirty part, or maybe not the movie, just the

dirty part. I wish that were also true. I enjoy the meat of the topics here.

They is a vast amount of knowledge posted here that does, has, and will save

a lot of individuals a great amount of time, repair and injury if they heed

that wealth. I hate bickering. I get enough of it in the news paper. I also

come here to get nourished by the wisdom of others. The Kolb site is one of

the most "responded to" on the Matronics overall web site. That says a great

deal about its people; followers and leaders. I for a fact have seen

controversy between a lot of strong willed individuals on this site. Haven't

you noticed, we are a bold brave and intelligent bunch of people with very

strong views, right or wrong. I just wish we could share them with a bit

more compassion. I see the statements, and see the attackers, and I see the

hearts of both. I guess that's what make us "pilots" and not pile-its!

Everyone take a deep breath and scream. Now get your butts out and fly!

Sunday here in mid Ohio was around 50 and calm, and I flew. Awesome!



The good Ralph from Ohio 

1990 Kolb KXP



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JetPilot

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1246

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:27 pm Post subject: Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list)

 	  flht99reh(at)netzero.net wrote: 	
		   Now get your butts out and fly!

Sunday here in mid Ohio was around 50 and calm, and I flew. Awesome!



	




Now there is a wise man.  It must be cabin fever,  a little flying and all this nastyness would be forgotten

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