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rlaird
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 373
Location: Houston
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 Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:09 pm Post subject: unhappy with forum |
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Before you call me a Luddite, keep in mind that I've been on-line
since 1977 and I am described by all who know me as a computer geek --
not to mention it's my profession -- so, my complaints have nothing to
do with not knowing "how things work."
This forum has really screwed things up. Prior to it being put into
action, the Kolb list worked just as it has worked for years.
But with the forum....
1) Even though a message will have the same, identical subject line
as a previous message in the thread, my email client(s) will no longer
recognize them as being part of the same thread.... so, for example,
before the forum, if you sent 37 message about 1 subject, and 57
messages about another, I'd have only 2 lines... now I see 80 lines
or so, and that's not fun;
2) Many people have settings to copy the previous message into their
forum post, but many others don't. So, I often get a message from the
latter with a short reply and I don't know what they were referring to
since the previous message wasn't included in the post. So to
understand the post, I might have to dig through quite a few
messages... enough that I don't bother... which means I'm losing
information that might be important to me. And that sux.
Just these two "minor" problems has really made this list a LOT less
friendly, and I'm very frustrated with the change. Matt should never
have pushed the forum unless it first did no harm to the way the list
worked. Yes, it's nice we can post pictures*, etc., etc., etc., but
not all of us can or want to use the web-based forum.
Then, on top of all that, we get our first flame war in ages -- and,
intellectually, I know that has nothing to do with the list-cum-forum
issues, but it sure FEELS like it's related.
Color me unhappy.
-- Robert
* Posting pictures is EASY in all of the lists that I maintain. The
Kolb list was all the more frustrating because it COULD be done, it
was just disallowed. But, as a list master myself, I understand why
it was done that way, but I don't have to be happy about it. Color me
grumpy.
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formerly: MkIIIc w/ 912ULS & Gyrobee
current: Autogyro Cavalon w/ 914ULS
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biglar
Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 457
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:22 pm Post subject: unhappy with forum |
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Man, I'm glad mine isn't the only chain that gets jerked around
here.........grumpy.  Tell ya the truth, I'm not real nuts about the
new format, either, for different reasons.
I solved my receiving problems. A couple of days ago, I got a spam in my
email box, meaning that it came in on a "good guys" address, in this case my
own. Usually, they're from "abcbiglar....etc.", so I just Create a Rule and
spam them. This one was from my address pure and simple, I guess, cause my
address was in the "send to spam" folder. All straight now.
Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk IIIC
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biglar
Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 457
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:35 pm Post subject: unhappy with forum |
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Whoops. I had a dialog going with Robert and automatically assumed I was
replying direct. Sorry, but it did save me an email.........I had planned
on a post to the List explaining the same thing. Lar.
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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Matt Dralle
Site Admin
Joined: 08 Nov 2005
Posts: 25781
Location: Livermore CA USA
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:40 pm Post subject: unhappy with forum |
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At 08:08 PM 1/24/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
| Quote: | 1) Even though a message will have the same, identical subject line
as a previous message in the thread, my email client(s) will no longer
recognize them as being part of the same thread.... so, for example,
before the forum, if you sent 37 message about 1 subject, and 57
messages about another, I'd have only 2 lines... now I see 80 lines
or so, and that's not fun;
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Well, this is odd behavior. Why isn't your email client seeing the messages as the same; what exactly is the difference in the Subject lines? Are you sure that your email client is using the Subject line to categorize the messages? Perhaps it uses some other field? Are you sure its the Forum that causing this problem? Quite unrelated to the Forum addition, I recently implemented a new way of cleaning the headers from incoming posts to the email lists. Perhaps this is what is causing your threading problem. You'll really have to give me some details on how your email client threads for me to look into the problem.
| Quote: | 2) Many people have settings to copy the previous message into their
forum post, but many others don't. So, I often get a message from the
latter with a short reply and I don't know what they were referring to
since the previous message wasn't included in the post. So to
understand the post, I might have to dig through quite a few
messages... enough that I don't bother... which means I'm losing
information that might be important to me. And that sux.
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This really isn't a separate problem. The fact that people don't recopy everyone's previous post over and over and over again is a good behavior.
| Quote: | Just these two "minor" problems has really made this list a LOT less
friendly, and I'm very frustrated with the change. Matt should never
have pushed the forum unless it first did no harm to the way the list
worked. Yes, it's nice we can post pictures*, etc., etc., etc., but
not all of us can or want to use the web-based forum.
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Robert, I can understand your frustration, but really this is a localized problem that likely has a simple solution. To slam the new Forums simply because of this issue is unfair. There are a huge number of people that are extremely enamored with the new interface and subscriptions have soared since adding the new Forum interface. And membership is what makes a list successful.
I'm sure we can work your problem out. Please investigate how your client is threading and we'll have a look. What client are you using, by the way?
| Quote: | Then, on top of all that, we get our first flame war in ages -- and,
intellectually, I know that has nothing to do with the list-cum-forum
issues, but it sure FEELS like it's related.
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Yes, I'm pretty disappointed with the most recent flame war on the List. Please do not use the List for this purpose. If you want to flame someone, send it directly to the person. Do not include the List in this type of dialog. Everyone has been warned.
| Quote: | * Posting pictures is EASY in all of the lists that I maintain. The
Kolb list was all the more frustrating because it COULD be done, it
was just disallowed. But, as a list master myself, I understand why
it was done that way, but I don't have to be happy about it. Color me
grumpy.
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I can and will enable picture posting on the List whenever we have a majority of people that would like that feature enabled. My recollection was that people of the Kolb List opted to not have this feature enabled. Ether way is fine by me; its up to the List.
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
| Quote: | Color me unhappy.
-- Robert
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Matt Dralle
Site Admin
Joined: 08 Nov 2005
Posts: 25781
Location: Livermore CA USA
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:45 pm Post subject: unhappy with forum |
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At 08:22 PM 1/24/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
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Man, I'm glad mine isn't the only chain that gets jerked around
here.........grumpy. Tell ya the truth, I'm not real nuts about the
new format, either, for different reasons.
I solved my receiving problems. A couple of days ago, I got a spam in my
email box, meaning that it came in on a "good guys" address, in this case my
own. Usually, they're from "abcbiglar....etc.", so I just Create a Rule and
spam them. This one was from my address pure and simple, I guess, cause my
address was in the "send to spam" folder. All straight now.
Lar.
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Lar,
What do you mean here? Why exactly aren't you happy with the new format? Nothing has changed with respect to the traditional email distribution (except perhaps for the threading problem described by Robert.) The new Forum format is just another way to view the messages. Email distribution works the same way it always did.
Just not sure where you're coming from here...?
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
[quote]Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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Possum
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
Posts: 112
Location: Georgia
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:18 pm Post subject: unhappy with forum |
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At 11:08 PM 1/24/2006, you wrote:
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Then, on top of all that, we get our first flame war in ages -- and,
intellectually, I know that has nothing to do with the list-cum-forum
issues, but it sure FEELS like it's related.
Color me unhappy.
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Flame war? Heck, you ain't seen no flame war if you missed some of the
other ones - that I won't mention here - like JH & Cap'n Ron etc.
Just to not mention one.
do not archive
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biglar
Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 457
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:29 pm Post subject: unhappy with forum |
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Just me being a stubborn old fart, Matt, and not taking time yet to learn
the new format. I'm one of the ones who wanted this type of thing, so I
can't grumble too loud. Gimmee a week or 3 and I'll prob'ly love it.
Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk IIIC
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Paul Petty
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 226
Location: Mississippi
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Thom Riddle
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1597
Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:33 am Post subject: unhappy with forum |
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I am still using the email distribution method and am very happy with
the enhancements. I can now view attached photos by merely clicking on
the link to the photo. Lots easier than the old "photoshare" method.
Thom in Buffalo
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Location: Central Illinois
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