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davidjoyce(at)doctors.org
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:52 am Post subject: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle

Steve, Great to hear you have cracked landing the mono. Many of us are still

trying to work it out!  Your comment about thinking of foot pressure, rather

than movement, is key to keeping it from snaking down the runway for me.

      Your remark about crab angle led me to wonder whether you have

calculated that with a 60 knot approach, the crab angle is the same as the

cross wind. i.e. a crab angle of 20 degrees indicates a cross wind of 20

knots, assuming you are in a stable approach, proceeding down runway

centreline. I mention it because if I find myself still crabbing at 20

degrees near to landing I start thinking about looking for an alternative

runway!

         Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ

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Gilles.Thesee(at)ac-greno
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 2:10 am Post subject: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle

Hi all,



 	  Quote: 	
		   if I find myself still crabbing at 20

 degrees near to landing I start thinking about looking for an alternative

 runway!

   


	


By the way, what are the official cross wind limitations for the 

monowheel ? 20 kt cross wind is a respectable value, even for a 

conventional airplane.

Since the outriggers may limit bank angle near the ground, isn't there 

any difficulty staying on the centerline when decrabbing ?



Thanks,

Regards,

Gilles Thesee

Grenoble, France

http://contrails.free.fr

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hagargs(at)earthlink.net
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:52 am Post subject: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle

It was  gusty, I didn't have my calibrated left right nose indicator on. 

For me "about" 20  degrees when concentrating on keeping the ends from

swapping means "more than ten and less than thirty!"   So no I had not

calculated a cross wind component.  If it were blowing that hard and steady

the tower probably would have noted it. Also note I have a lot of room to

work with, as all the municiple airports out here are WW-II AF training

training bases.  Falcon field was set up to train  British Pilots in 1941.  

Steve Hagar

hagargs(at)earthlink.net

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 From: David Joyce <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk>

 To: <europa-list(at)matronics.com>

 Date: 10/15/2006 2:57:49 AM

 Subject: Re: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle



 

<davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk>
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  

 Steve, Great to hear you have cracked landing the mono. Many of us are

still
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   trying to work it out!  Your comment about thinking of foot pressure,

rather
	


[quote] than movement, is key to keeping it from snaking down the runway for me.

       Your remark about crab angle led me to wonder whether you have

 calculated that with a 60 knot approach, the crab angle is the same as the

 cross wind. i.e. a crab angle of 20 degrees indicates a cross wind of 20

 knots, assuming you are in a stable approach, proceeding down runway

 centreline. I mention it because if I find myself still crabbing at 20

 degrees near to landing I start thinking about looking for an alternative

 runway!

          Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ

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davidjoyce(at)doctors.org
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:49 am Post subject: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle

Gilles, The XS mono pilot's handbook gives 15 kts as the crosswind limit,

which is why I thought that approaching with a crab angle of 20 degrees

might be bad for your health!

Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ

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william(at)wrmills.plus.c
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:18 am Post subject: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle

David,

Air Traffic reported gusting to 32 kts across the runway (from the right) 

when we landed at Lanzarote, so perhaps the 15 kt limit is a bit 

conservative!!!

Regards,

William



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davidjoyce(at)doctors.org
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:55 am Post subject: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle

William You and I have survived somewhat worse than 15 kts but we both were

very close to ending in the brown stuff at Lanzarote! Cheers, David

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ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:37 am Post subject: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle

Hi! William

So what was Ivor doing running along the wing like stabilising a yacht !

BTW I've done with Mono landings thanks !!!!!

Regards

Bob H .

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topglock(at)cox.net
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:07 am Post subject: Less hair raising landings, & crab angle

William and all,



Mary and I encountered a simillar situation, after leaving Sun-N-Fun.  

Winds 26, gusting to 32, 80degrees from the right.  A bit of a hairy 

situation, but, crabbing in, under power, with a last second kick from 

the rudder saved the day.  This little tri-gear is a lot tougher than 

the book gives credit for...



Jeff - Baby Blue

223 hours



William Mills wrote:



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 <william(at)wrmills.plus.com>



 David,

 Air Traffic reported gusting to 32 kts across the runway (from the 

 right) when we landed at Lanzarote, so perhaps the 15 kt limit is a 

 bit conservative!!!

 Regards,

 William



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