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gfmjr_20(at)HOTMAIL.COM
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 2:59 pm Post subject: First Flight

Well folks, this list has helped to launch another Zodiac.  On Saturday 

morning at about 9:00AM, N221GM launched off for its first flight.  Sky was 

crystal clear, winds calm, and the foliage of New England outstanding.  Take 

off occurred after about a 450 foot run with a climbout at 85mph.  I'm using 

a dynon system for EFIS and forgot to set it up with VSI, so my best guess 

is that the climb was about 600-700fpm.  No attempt was made for a max 

climb, just a relatively gently one.  I climbed to 2500ft, took a deep 

breath, enjoyed the secenery for a couple of minutes and gently circled the 

field checking out pitch, roll and yaw.  With everything in the green engine 

wise the only issued appeared to be the need for continuous back pressure on 

the elevator which could not be trimmed out.  Speed was 95-100mph

  Since the preflight plan was take off, climb to 2500, circle for control 

checks and land,  it was time to start the drop back to pattern altitute for 

landing.  I still had the need for significant back pressure on the stick.  

Luckily as the speed dropped to 65-70mph the backpressure required also 

dropped making the landing approach a lot less exciting than I thought at 

first it might be. Knowing I had to continue to hold back stick , I extended 

the downwind leg figuring it would give me more time for the final lineup.  

All went well.  The zodiac is a really well behaved plane, and was very 

stable through the base and final.  I came over the fence at 65mph and 

settled right on the numbers. Full stop was in about 350feet



  All suggestions for fixes to alleviate the elevator backpressure are 

appreciated.  Since the pressure varied with speed, I assume it is probably 

a misalignment of incidence between the wing,fuse and/or stab.  I'll be 

checking that out on Monday.



Thanks to everyone on the list for your comments, suggestions and help  

especially to list member Jeff Paris for the familiarization flight.



George May

Zodiac 601XL  912s

N221GM



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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:23 pm Post subject: First Flight

George,

Congratulations on your first flight.  The adventure has just begun!



Larry McFarland

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george may wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 Well folks, this list has helped to launch another Zodiac.  On 

 Saturday morning at about 9:00AM, N221GM launched off for its first 

 flight.  Sky was crystal clear, winds calm, and the foliage of New 

 England outstanding. 



  All suggestions for fixes to alleviate the elevator backpressure are 

 appreciated.  Since the pressure varied with speed, I assume it is 

 probably a misalignment of incidence between the wing,fuse and/or 

 stab.  I'll be checking that out on Monday.



 Thanks to everyone on the list for your comments, suggestions and 

 help  especially to list member Jeff Paris for the familiarization 

 flight.



 George May

 Zodiac 601XL  912s

 N221GM

nfivesl(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:38 pm Post subject: First Flight

George I'm happy for you!  Congratulations!  Thanks for the detailed description of your first flight.  I felt like I was up there with you!  



I've heard of a few guys adjusting their horiz. Stab for the same reason you stated below.  I'd get some details from the actual guys before taking any action.  



Congratulations again!  



Scott Laughlin

601XL/Corvair

Engine testing



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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 6:12 pm Post subject: First Flight

A big congrats to you. The smile you have will last for weeks.. 

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Ben Haas

N801BH

www.haaspowerair.com



-- "george may" <gfmjr_20(at)HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:

--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20(at)hotmail.com>

Well folks, this list has helped to launch another Zodiac.  On Saturday 

morning at about 9:00AM, N221GM launched off for its first flight.  Sky was 

crystal clear, winds calm, and the foliage of New England outstanding.  Take 

off occurred after about a 450 foot run with a climbout at 85mph.  I'm using 

a dynon system for EFIS and forgot to set it up with VSI, so my best guess 

is that the climb was about 600-700fpm.  No attempt was made for a max 

climb, just a relatively gently one.  I climbed to 2500ft, took a deep 

breath, enjoyed the secenery for a couple of minutes and gently circled the 

field checking out pitch, roll and yaw.  With everything in the green engine 

wise the only issued appeared to be the need for continuous back pressure on 

the elevator which could not be trimmed out.  Speed was 95-100mph

  Since the preflight plan was take off, climb to 2500, circle for control 

checks and land,  it was time to start the drop back to pattern altitute for 

landing.  I still had the need for significant back pressure on the stick.  

Luckily as the speed dropped to 65-70mph the backpressure required also 

dropped making the landing approach a lot less exciting than I thought at 

first it might be. Knowing I had to continue to hold back stick , I extended 

the downwind leg figuring it would give me more time for the final lineup.  

All went well.  The zodiac is a really well behaved plane, and was very 

stable through the base and final.  I came over the fence at 65mph and 

settled right on the numbers. Full stop was in about 350feet



  All suggestions for fixes to alleviate the elevator backpressure are 

appreciated.  Since the pressure varied with speed, I assume it is probably 

a misalignment of incidence between the wing,fuse and/or stab.  I'll be 

checking that out on Monday.



Thanks to everyone on the list for your comments, suggestions and help  

especially to list member Jeff Paris for the familiarization flight.



George May

Zodiac 601XL  912s

N221GM



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Michael Valentine

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 6:23 pm Post subject: First Flight

Great news George - congratulations.  I look forward to coming for a visit.



Michael



On 10/15/06, george may < gfmjr_20(at)hotmail.com (gfmjr_20(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:[quote]--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" < gfmjr_20(at)hotmail.com (gfmjr_20(at)hotmail.com)>

Well folks, this list has helped to launch another Zodiac.  On Saturday

morning at about 9:00AM, N221GM launched off for its first flight.  Sky was 

crystal clear, winds calm, and the foliage of New England outstanding.  Take

off occurred after about a 450 foot run with a climbout at 85mph.  I'm using

a dynon system for EFIS and forgot to set it up with VSI, so my best guess 

is that the climb was about 600-700fpm.  No attempt was made for a max

climb, just a relatively gently one.  I climbed to 2500ft, took a deep

breath, enjoyed the secenery for a couple of minutes and gently circled the 

field checking out pitch, roll and yaw.  With everything in the green engine

wise the only issued appeared to be the need for continuous back pressure on

the elevator which could not be trimmed out.  Speed was 95-100mph 

  Since the preflight plan was take off, climb to 2500, circle for control

checks and land,  it was time to start the drop back to pattern altitute for

landing.  I still had the need for significant back pressure on the stick. 

Luckily as the speed dropped to 65-70mph the backpressure required also

dropped making the landing approach a lot less exciting than I thought at

first it might be. Knowing I had to continue to hold back stick , I extended 

the downwind leg figuring it would give me more time for the final lineup.

All went well.  The zodiac is a really well behaved plane, and was very

stable through the base and final.  I came over the fence at 65mph and 

settled right on the numbers. Full stop was in about 350feet



  All suggestions for fixes to alleviate the elevator backpressure are

appreciated.  Since the pressure varied with speed, I assume it is probably 

a misalignment of incidence between the wing,fuse and/or stab.  I'll be

checking that out on Monday.



Thanks to everyone on the list for your comments, suggestions and help

especially to list member Jeff Paris for the familiarization flight. 



George May

Zodiac 601XL  912s

N221GM



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armyret(at)mchsi.com
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:58 am Post subject: First Flight

Great Job George!  Congrats.

Al Young

601XL being painted



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clojan(at)sbcglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 6:14 am Post subject: First Flight

George: I look forward to seeing the tag line" first flight" from builders I have followed.  Congrats.  As far as the stick pressure I riveted a tab on the trim tab that sticks out about 1"" and bends down at a 30 deg angle. Solved the problem. Jack in los Osos Ca

  [quote]  On 10/15/06, george may < gfmjr_20(at)hotmail.com (gfmjr_20(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:  [quote]--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" < gfmjr_20(at)hotmail.com (gfmjr_20(at)hotmail.com)>

Well folks, this list has helped to launch another Zodiac.  On Saturday

morning at about 9:00AM, N221GM launched off for its first flight.  Sky was  

crystal clear, winds calm, and the foliage of New England outstanding.  Take

off occurred after about a 450 foot run with a climbout at 85mph.  I'm using

a dynon system for EFIS and forgot to set it up with VSI, so my best guess 

is that the climb was about 600-700fpm.  No attempt was made for a max

climb, just a relatively gently one.  I climbed to 2500ft, took a deep

breath, enjoyed the secenery for a couple of minutes and gently circled the 

field checking out pitch, roll and yaw.  With everything in the green engine

wise the only issued appeared to be the need for continuous back pressure on

the elevator which could not be trimmed out.  Speed was 95-100mph 

  Since the preflight plan was take off, climb to 2500, circle for control

checks and land,  it was time to start the drop back to pattern altitute for

landing.  I still had the need for  significant back pressure on the stick. 

Luckily as the speed dropped to 65-70mph the backpressure required also

dropped making the landing approach a lot less exciting than I thought at

first it might be. Knowing I had to continue to hold back stick , I extended 

the downwind leg figuring it would give me more time for the final lineup.

All went well.  The zodiac is a really well behaved plane, and was very

stable through the base and final.  I came over the fence at 65mph and 

settled right on the numbers. Full stop was in about 350feet



  All suggestions for fixes to alleviate the elevator backpressure are

appreciated.  Since the pressure varied with speed, I assume it is probably 

a misalignment of incidence between the wing,fuse and/or stab.  I'll be

checking that out on Monday.



Thanks to everyone on the list for your comments, suggestions and help

especially to list member [quote][b]

Ron Lendon

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 685
Location: Clinton Twp., MI

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:12 pm Post subject: Re: First Flight

Congratulations George.

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steerr(at)bellsouth.net
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:25 am Post subject: First Flight

Way to go, George!  Sorry I couldn't be there to witness the flight.



Bill



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 From: "george may" <gfmjr_20(at)HOTMAIL.COM>

 Date: 2006/10/15 Sun PM 06:58:46 EDT

 To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: First Flight

 

 

 

 

 Well folks, this list has helped to launch another Zodiac.  On Saturday 

 morning at about 9:00AM, N221GM launched off for its first flight.  Sky was 

 crystal clear, winds calm, and the foliage of New England outstanding.  Take 

 off occurred after about a 450 foot run with a climbout at 85mph.  I'm using 

 a dynon system for EFIS and forgot to set it up with VSI, so my best guess 

 is that the climb was about 600-700fpm.  No attempt was made for a max 

 climb, just a relatively gently one.  I climbed to 2500ft, took a deep 

 breath, enjoyed the secenery for a couple of minutes and gently circled the 

 field checking out pitch, roll and yaw.  With everything in the green engine 

 wise the only issued appeared to be the need for continuous back pressure on 

 the elevator which could not be trimmed out.  Speed was 95-100mph

   Since the preflight plan was take off, climb to 2500, circle for control 

 checks and land,  it was time to start the drop back to pattern altitute for 

 landing.  I still had the need for significant back pressure on the stick.  

 Luckily as the speed dropped to 65-70mph the backpressure required also 

 dropped making the landing approach a lot less exciting than I thought at 

 first it might be. Knowing I had to continue to hold back stick , I extended 

 the downwind leg figuring it would give me more time for the final lineup.  

 All went well.  The zodiac is a really well behaved plane, and was very 

 stable through the base and final.  I came over the fence at 65mph and 

 settled right on the numbers. Full stop was in about 350feet

 

   All suggestions for fixes to alleviate the elevator backpressure are 

 appreciated.  Since the pressure varied with speed, I assume it is probably 

 a misalignment of incidence between the wing,fuse and/or stab.  I'll be 

 checking that out on Monday.

 

 Thanks to everyone on the list for your comments, suggestions and help  

 especially to list member Jeff Paris for the familiarization flight.

 

 George May

 Zodiac 601XL  912s

 N221GM

jeffrey-j-paris(at)excite
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:58 am Post subject: First Flight

Hi George,



Congratulations!  And way to go!  Thanks again for the stickers and the camlock washers, very thoughtful and greatly appreciated.



Thanks,



Jeff Paris



 --- On Sun 10/15, george may < gfmjr_20(at)HOTMAIL.COM > wrote:

From: george may [mailto: gfmjr_20(at)HOTMAIL.COM]

To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:58:46 -0400

Subject: First Flight




2500, circle for control <br>checks and land,  it was time to start the drop back to pattern altitute for <br>landing.  I still had the need for significant back pressure on the stick.  <br>Luckily as the speed dropped to 65-70mph the backpressure required also <br>dropped making the landing approach a lot less exciting than I thought at <br>first it might be. Knowing I had to continue to hold back stick , I extended <br>the downwind leg figuring it would give me more time for the final lineup.  <br>All went well.  The zodiac is a really well behaved plane, and was very <br>stable through the base and final.  I came over the fence at 65mph and <br>settled right on the numbers. Full stop was in about 350feet<br><br>  All suggestions for fixes to alleviate the elevator backpressure are <br>appreciated.  Since the pressure varied with speed, I assume it is probably <br>a misalignment of incidence between the wing,fuse and/or stab.  I'll be <br>checking that out on 

  



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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:08 pm Post subject: First Flight

George, check the deflection on the horiz stab. you can adjust the stab higher and that should make the plane go up to offset the down deflection. Wings being off would probably cause a yaw to left or right not up or down.

I could be wrong, I usualy am.



Juan Vega

601xl, Tampa FLA



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zodierocket(at)hsfx.ca
Guest

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:02 pm Post subject: First Flight

George go for another flight and set yourself up for a level and stable

flight. Now measuere a specific spot on your stick to a specific spot on

your panel. Land and set the stick to the measured distance you did in

the air and check out the elevator. This should indicate the way you

need to move the stabilizer and sometimes you can guess how much you

need to move it also . Repeat this with process until you have a

straight and level flight in typical configuration with an even

elevator. Also before you do ANYTHING get your local advisor to ensure

your in appropriate CG don't guess re-measure and be sure.



cdngoose

Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH801 C-FHUC

www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com



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ggower_99(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 3:59 pm Post subject: First Flight

Hello George,



Probably this advise is not necesary, but worth mentioning:  Try the flight(s)  early in the morning, so the air is calm,  will work better,  sometimes late in the afternoon, but beware of the hour,  sometimes we get carried away with a beautyfull sunset and gets dark...  Not the best scenario for landing a new airplane...



Good luck and congratulations...   



Saludos

Gary Gower.

Flying form Chapala, Mexico.



Zodie Rocket <zodierocket(at)hsfx.ca> wrote:[quote] --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" 



George go for another flight and set yourself up for a level and stable

flight. Now measuere a specific spot on your stick to a specific spot on

your panel. Land and set the stick to the measured distance you did in

the air  and check out the elevator. This should indicate the way you

need to move the stabilizer and sometimes you can guess how much you

need to move it also . Repeat this with process until you have a

straight and level flight in typical configuration with an even

elevator. Also before you do ANYTHING get your local advisor to ensure

your in appropriate CG don't guess re-measure and be sure.



cdngoose

Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH801 C-FHUC

www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com



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