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 Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:04 pm Post subject: Antisplataero gust lock review |
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I just posted a review of the Gust lock from antisplataero on VAF. http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=939414#post939414
As Bob Leffler commented, if you have wires routed on the outside of the stick, versus inside (as I did) this gust lock, with retainer, the way it is today will NOT work for you. http://antisplataero.com/RV-10_Ultimate_Gust_Lock.html
Pascal
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| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 5:18 am Post subject: Antisplataero gust lock review |
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Looks like a good unit with a few 'ifs'.
Another solution that I'm sure I picked up here and have been using for almost 3 years now is a modified Bogi-bar It has a few 'ifs' as well but if the logic tree works for you, it may be a solution.
- IF the Bogi-bar works as a tow bar for you (I have the stainless heads of cap screws extending from the sides of my nosewheel pant - the Bogi-bar fits around those for towing and works very well)
- and IF you have Oregon Aero cushions - are there any others out there? Don't know, probably will work the same anyway
- and IF you have the standard rudder pedals - I am unaware of what else is out there.
- THEN you can move either seat to the rear most position and jam the collapsed Bogi-bar between the front of the seat cushion and the rudder pedals. The round tow pin receivers on the bar will hold in the gap at the bottom of the standard pedals and the handle jams into the front of the cushions with an over-center kind of fit that will stay in place in heavy winds
- and THEN you can take a short bungee cord and tie it around the stick and Bogi-bar in any one of several ways to lock the ailerons and elevator. If you leave this off, it still works well in most situations since the rudder is the real culprit in winds, the elevator doesn't seem like it will move and the ailerons are pretty much damped out by the trim springs - but I always add the bungee. Wrapping a little friction tape around the Bogi-bar where it touches the stick is a good idea. This works independent of how the stick is wired or booted.
- And IF all the above works for you, you can THEN add some welded on tabs to the bottom of the Bogi-bar (half washers work well) to key into the gap at the bottom of the standard rudder pedals to make the whole thing more secure and fool proof.
What makes all this work is the improbable accident that the collapsed Bogi-Bar is exactly the right length to fit between the front seat and the rudder pedals - go figure.
The advantage for me is there is only one item to carry along on trips - the Bogi-Bar - which I use for backing my '10 out of the hangar and hand towing around ramps. I assume there is a fair number of Bogi-bar users out there already who do the same thing(?).
I should take a few pics and post but haven't.
Bill "thinking about some proficiency work with 600' ceilings" Watson
On 12/5/2014 8:01 PM, Pascal wrote:
[quote] I just posted a review of the Gust lock from antisplataero on VAF. http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=939414#post939414
As Bob Leffler commented, if you have wires routed on the outside of the stick, versus inside (as I did) this gust lock, with retainer, the way it is today will NOT work for you. http://antisplataero.com/RV-10_Ultimate_Gust_Lock.html
Pascal
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| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 5:30 am Post subject: Re: Antisplataero gust lock review |
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I have used the Bogi-Bar for 3 yrs too.
[quote="Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com"]Looks like a good unit with a few 'ifs'.
Another solution that I'm sure I picked up here and have been using for almost 3 years now is a modified Bogi-bar It has a few 'ifs' as well but if the logic tree works for you, it may be a solution.
- IF the Bogi-bar works as a tow bar for you (I have the stainless heads of cap screws extending from the sides of my nosewheel pant - the Bogi-bar fits around those for towing and works very well)
- and IF you have Oregon Aero cushions - are there any others out there? Don't know, probably will work the same anyway
- and IF you have the standard rudder pedals - I am unaware of what else is out there.
- THEN you can move either seat to the rear most position and jam the collapsed Bogi-bar between the front of the seat cushion and the rudder pedals. The round tow pin receivers on the bar will hold in the gap at the bottom of the standard pedals and the handle jams into the front of the cushions with an over-center kind of fit that will stay in place in heavy winds
- and THEN you can take a short bungee cord and tie it around the stick and Bogi-bar in any one of several ways to lock the ailerons and elevator. If you leave this off, it still works well in most situations since the rudder is the real culprit in winds, the elevator doesn't seem like it will move and the ailerons are pretty much damped out by the trim springs - but I always add the bungee. Wrapping a little friction tape around the Bogi-bar where it touches the stick is a good idea. This works independent of how the stick is wired or booted.
- And IF all the above works for you, you can THEN add some welded on tabs to the bottom of the Bogi-bar (half washers work well) to key into the gap at the bottom of the standard rudder pedals to make the whole thing more secure and fool proof.
What makes all this work is the improbable accident that the collapsed Bogi-Bar is exactly the right length to fit between the front seat and the rudder pedals - go figure.
The advantage for me is there is only one item to carry along on trips - the Bogi-Bar - which I use for backing my '10 out of the hangar and hand towing around ramps. I assume there is a fair number of Bogi-bar users out there already who do the same thing(?).
I should take a few pics and post but haven't.
Bill "thinking about some proficiency work with 600' ceilings" Watson
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| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 6:51 am Post subject: Antisplataero gust lock review |
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(I'm going to repost without the bulleted list - it displayed back badly to me:)
Looks like a good unit with a few 'ifs'.
Another solution that I'm sure I picked up here and have been using for almost 3 years now is a modified Bogi-bar It has a few 'ifs' as well but if the logic tree works for you, it may be a solution.
- IF the Bogi-bar works as a tow bar for you (I have the stainless heads of cap screws extending from the sides of my nosewheel pant - the Bogi-bar fits around those for towing and works very well)
- and IF you have Oregon Aero cushions - are there any others out there? Don't know, probably will work the same anyway
- and IF you have the standard rudder pedals - I am unaware of what else is out there.
- THEN you can move either seat to the rear most position and jam the collapsed Bogi-bar between the front of the seat cushion and the rudder pedals. The round tow pin receivers on the bar will hold in the gap at the bottom of the standard pedals and the handle jams into the front of the cushions with an over-center kind of fit that will stay in place in heavy winds.
- and THEN you can take a short bungee cord and tie it around the stick and Bogi-bar in any one of several ways to lock the ailerons and elevator. If you leave this off, it still works well in most situations since the rudder is the real culprit in winds, the elevator doesn't seem like it will move and the ailerons are pretty much damped out by the trim springs - but I always add the bungee. Wrapping a little friction tape around the Bogi-bar where it touches the stick is a good idea. This works independent of how the stick is wired or booted.
- And IF all the above works for you, you can THEN add some welded on tabs to the bottom of the Bogi-bar (half washers work well) to key into the gap at the bottom of the standard rudder pedals to make the whole thing more secure and fool proof.
What makes all this work is the improbable accident that the collapsed Bogi-Bar is exactly the right length to fit between the front seat and the rudder pedals - go figure.
The advantage for me is there is only one item to carry along on trips - the Bogi-Bar - which I use for backing my '10 out of the hangar and hand towing around ramps. I assume there is a fair number of Bogi-bar users out there already who do the same thing(?).
I should take a few pics and post but haven't.
Bill "thinking about some proficiency work with 600' ceilings" Watson
On 12/5/2014 8:01 PM, Pascal wrote:
[quote] I just posted a review of the Gust lock from antisplataero on VAF. http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=939414#post939414
As Bob Leffler commented, if you have wires routed on the outside of the stick, versus inside (as I did) this gust lock, with retainer, the way it is today will NOT work for you. http://antisplataero.com/RV-10_Ultimate_Gust_Lock.html
Pascal
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| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:00 am Post subject: Antisplataero gust lock review |
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For the bogi bar, just extent the handle and put it up against the seat back and seat belt it down. Works great.
Jesse SaintI-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org (jesse(at)itecusa.org)
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www.mavericklsa.com
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On Dec 6, 2014, at 8:16 AM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com (Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com)> wrote:
[quote] Looks like a good unit with a few 'ifs'.
Another solution that I'm sure I picked up here and have been using for almost 3 years now is a modified Bogi-bar It has a few 'ifs' as well but if the logic tree works for you, it may be a solution.
- IF the Bogi-bar works as a tow bar for you (I have the stainless heads of cap screws extending from the sides of my nosewheel pant - the Bogi-bar fits around those for towing and works very well)
- and IF you have Oregon Aero cushions - are there any others out there? Don't know, probably will work the same anyway
- and IF you have the standard rudder pedals - I am unaware of what else is out there.
- THEN you can move either seat to the rear most position and jam the collapsed Bogi-bar between the front of the seat cushion and the rudder pedals. The round tow pin receivers on the bar will hold in the gap at the bottom of the standard pedals and the handle jams into the front of the cushions with an over-center kind of fit that will stay in place in heavy winds
- and THEN you can take a short bungee cord and tie it around the stick and Bogi-bar in any one of several ways to lock the ailerons and elevator. If you leave this off, it still works well in most situations since the rudder is the real culprit in winds, the elevator doesn't seem like it will move and the ailerons are pretty much damped out by the trim springs - but I always add the bungee. Wrapping a little friction tape around the Bogi-bar where it touches the stick is a good idea. This works independent of how the stick is wired or booted.
- And IF all the above works for you, you can THEN add some welded on tabs to the bottom of the Bogi-bar (half washers work well) to key into the gap at the bottom of the standard rudder pedals to make the whole thing more secure and fool proof.
What makes all this work is the improbable accident that the collapsed Bogi-Bar is exactly the right length to fit between the front seat and the rudder pedals - go figure.
The advantage for me is there is only one item to carry along on trips - the Bogi-Bar - which I use for backing my '10 out of the hangar and hand towing around ramps. I assume there is a fair number of Bogi-bar users out there already who do the same thing(?).
I should take a few pics and post but haven't.
Bill "thinking about some proficiency work with 600' ceilings" Watson
On 12/5/2014 8:01 PM, Pascal wrote:
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| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:49 am Post subject: Re: Antisplataero gust lock review |
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I too extend it against the seat back. belt it down. I put some Home Depot pipe insulation in the triangle of the bar that the stick goes thru. I use the other seat's seat belt to hold the sticks firmly against the Boggie bar/pipe insulation. No need to carry extra cords.
I don't weld, so I used some hose clamps to hold the front tabs on.
[quote="jesse(at)saintaviation.co"]For the bogi bar, just extent the handle and put it up against the seat back and seat belt it down. Works great.
Jesse SaintI-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org (jesse(at)itecusa.org)
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 6, 2014, at 8:16 AM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver> wrote:
| Quote: | Looks like a good unit with a few 'ifs'.
Another solution that I'm sure I picked up here and have been using for almost 3 years now is a modified Bogi-bar It has a few 'ifs' as well but if the logic tree works for you, it may be a solution.
- IF the Bogi-bar works as a tow bar for you (I have the stainless heads of cap screws extending from the sides of my nosewheel pant - the Bogi-bar fits around those for towing and works very well)
- and IF you have Oregon Aero cushions - are there any others out there? Don't know, probably will work the same anyway
- and IF you have the standard rudder pedals - I am unaware of what else is out there.
- THEN you can move either seat to the rear most position and jam the collapsed Bogi-bar between the front of the seat cushion and the rudder pedals. The round tow pin receivers on the bar will hold in the gap at the bottom of the standard pedals and the handle jams into the front of the cushions with an over-center kind of fit that will stay in place in heavy winds
- and THEN you can take a short bungee cord and tie it around the stick and Bogi-bar in any one of several ways to lock the ailerons and elevator. If you leave this off, it still works well in most situations since the rudder is the real culprit in winds, the elevator doesn't seem like it will move and the ailerons are pretty much damped out by the trim springs - but I always add the bungee. Wrapping a little friction tape around the Bogi-bar where it touches the stick is a good idea. This works independent of how the stick is wired or booted.
- And IF all the above works for you, you can THEN add some welded on tabs to the bottom of the Bogi-bar (half washers work well) to key into the gap at the bottom of the standard rudder pedals to make the whole thing more secure and fool proof.
What makes all this work is the improbable accident that the collapsed Bogi-Bar is exactly the right length to fit between the front seat and the rudder pedals - go figure.
The advantage for me is there is only one item to carry along on trips - the Bogi-Bar - which I use for backing my '10 out of the hangar and hand towing around ramps. I assume there is a fair number of Bogi-bar users out there already who do the same thing(?).
I should take a few pics and post but haven't.
Bill "thinking about some proficiency work with 600' ceilings" Watson
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| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 10:03 am Post subject: Antisplataero gust lock review |
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Send it to me & I'll have it welded for you. I have been doing the towbars like this for about 8 years. It is always with you and works great.
Jesse Saint
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352-427-0285
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| Quote: | On Dec 6, 2014, at 12:49 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
I too extend it against the seat back. belt it down. I put some Home Depot pipe insulation in the triangle of the bar that the stick goes thru. I use the other seat's seat belt to hold the sticks firmly against the Boggie bar/pipe insulation. No need to carry extra cords.
I don't weld, so I used some hose clamps to hold the front tabs on.
[quote="jesse(at)saintaviation.co"]For the bogi bar, just extent the handle and put it up against the seat back and seat belt it down. Works great.
Jesse SaintI-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org (jesse(at)itecusa.org)
www.itecusa.org (http://www.itecusa.org)
www.mavericklsa.com (http://www.mavericklsa.com)
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 6, 2014, at 8:16 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
> Looks like a good unit with a few 'ifs'.
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> Another solution that I'm sure I picked up here and have been using for almost 3 years now is a modified Bogi-bar (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/bogibars2.php) It has a few 'ifs' as well but if the logic tree works for you, it may be a solution.
> IF the Bogi-bar works as a tow bar for you (I have the stainless heads of cap screws extending from the sides of my nosewheel pant - the Bogi-bar fits around those for towing and works very well) and IF you have Oregon Aero cushions - are there any others out there? Don't know, probably will work the same anyway and IF you have the standard rudder pedals - I am unaware of what else is out there.
> THEN you can move either seat to the rear most position and jam the collapsed Bogi-bar between the front of the seat cushion and the rudder pedals. The round tow pin receivers on the bar will hold in the gap at the bottom of the standard pedals and the handle jams into the front of the cushions with an over-center kind of fit that will stay in place in heavy winds and THEN you can take a short bungee cord and tie it around the stick and Bogi-bar in any one of several ways to lock the ailerons and elevator. If you leave this off, it still works well in most situations since the rudder is the real culprit in winds, the elevator doesn't seem like it will move and the ailerons are pretty much damped out by the trim springs - but I always add the bungee. Wrapping a little friction tape around the Bogi-bar where it touches!
the stick is a good idea. This works independent of how the stick is wired or booted. And IF all the above works for you, you can THEN add some welded on tabs to the bottom of the Bogi-bar (half washers work well) to key into the gap at the bottom of the standard rudder pedals to make the whole thing more secure and fool proof. What makes all this work is the improbable accident that the collapsed Bogi-Bar is exactly the right length to fit between the front seat and the rudder pedals - go figure.
>
> The advantage for me is there is only one item to carry along on trips - the Bogi-Bar - which I use for backing my '10 out of the hangar and hand towing around ramps. I assume there is a fair number of Bogi-bar users out there already who do the same thing(?).
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> I should take a few pics and post but haven't.
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> Bill "thinking about some proficiency work with 600' ceilings" Watson
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> On 12/5/2014 8:01 PM, Pascal wrote:
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>> I just posted a review of the Gust lock from antisplataero on VAF. http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=939414#post939414 (http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=939414#post939414)
>> As Bob Leffler commented, if you have wires routed on the outside of the stick, versus inside (as I did) this gust lock, with retainer, the way it is today will NOT work for you. http://antisplataero.com/RV-10_Ultimate_Gust_Lock.html (http://antisplataero.com/RV-10_Ultimate_Gust_Lock.html)
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>> Pascal
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I have wild blue innovations gust buster and it works great
Alan
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On Dec 5, 2014, at 8:01 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer(at)live.com (rv10flyer(at)live.com)> wrote:
[quote] I just posted a review of the Gust lock from antisplataero on VAF. http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=939414#post939414
As Bob Leffler commented, if you have wires routed on the outside of the stick, versus inside (as I did) this gust lock, with retainer, the way it is today will NOT work for you. http://antisplataero.com/RV-10_Ultimate_Gust_Lock.html
Pascal
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I built one for under $10 that works every bit as well as any I have seen. After two years and several windy overnights, I'm still happy. I posted it at this thread. http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=94695&highlight=Gust+lock
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Most interesting. Can’t believe I haven’t thought of doing this with mine! And I’ve been carrying around my same towbar for 6 or 7 years!
Many thanks for the pictures, Jesse!
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I photo documented my use of the Bogi-bar as a gust control lock [url=http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=0&log 0875&row=1]here[/url] FYI.
It works for me.
Bill Watson
On 12/6/2014 9:49 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
[quote] (I'm going to repost without the bulleted list - it displayed back badly to me:)
Looks like a good unit with a few 'ifs'.
Another solution that I'm sure I picked up here and have been using for almost 3 years now is a modified Bogi-bar It has a few 'ifs' as well but if the logic tree works for you, it may be a solution.
- IF the Bogi-bar works as a tow bar for you (I have the stainless heads of cap screws extending from the sides of my nosewheel pant - the Bogi-bar fits around those for towing and works very well)
- and IF you have Oregon Aero cushions - are there any others out there? Don't know, probably will work the same anyway
- and IF you have the standard rudder pedals - I am unaware of what else is out there.
- THEN you can move either seat to the rear most position and jam the collapsed Bogi-bar between the front of the seat cushion and the rudder pedals. The round tow pin receivers on the bar will hold in the gap at the bottom of the standard pedals and the handle jams into the front of the cushions with an over-center kind of fit that will stay in place in heavy winds.
- and THEN you can take a short bungee cord and tie it around the stick and Bogi-bar in any one of several ways to lock the ailerons and elevator. If you leave this off, it still works well in most situations since the rudder is the real culprit in winds, the elevator doesn't seem like it will move and the ailerons are pretty much damped out by the trim springs - but I always add the bungee. Wrapping a little friction tape around the Bogi-bar where it touches the stick is a good idea. This works independent of how the stick is wired or booted.
- And IF all the above works for you, you can THEN add some welded on tabs to the bottom of the Bogi-bar (half washers work well) to key into the gap at the bottom of the standard rudder pedals to make the whole thing more secure and fool proof.
What makes all this work is the improbable accident that the collapsed Bogi-Bar is exactly the right length to fit between the front seat and the rudder pedals - go figure.
The advantage for me is there is only one item to carry along on trips - the Bogi-Bar - which I use for backing my '10 out of the hangar and hand towing around ramps. I assume there is a fair number of Bogi-bar users out there already who do the same thing(?).
I should take a few pics and post but haven't.
Bill "thinking about some proficiency work with 600' ceilings" Watson
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Albert Gardner
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:59 am Post subject: Antisplataero gust lock review |
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There are cheaper but still effective gusts locks available.
Albert Gardner
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woxofswa
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| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:06 am Post subject: Re: Antisplataero gust lock review |
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I used the gustbuster for the first time yesterday. In SLC they parked me tail to the wind and when I came back out to the airport, the winds were howling, but the controls were nice and secure and I even noticed the designed "give" in gusts which seems like a good idea to me.
The winds were so lively down by Mt Nebo, that for a brief moment I thought about hooking the stick bungees back up as an autopilot supplement!
Just kidding (not really)
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