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kearney

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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 7:37 am Post subject: LOP Education - APS Seminar

Hi



I have heard that the APS Seminar on LOP ops is worthwhile. Has anyone had first hand experience with their $395 on line course. 



I notice that they also have a 3 day live seminar as well. It would seem that a 3 day seminar to learn how to run an engine is a bit excessive. Amy I missing something here? Is LOP really that difficult to do correctly?



Cheers



Les

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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 10:43 am Post subject: LOP Education - APS Seminar

This is purely an opinion, but LOP is not rocket science and there is a wealth of info on this forum.  I’d start here and see if you feel comfortable with the lessons learned before dropping the $395.  There are also a number of great articles by Mike Bush of Flying Magazine that you can probably find on the subject.



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 Hi

 

 I have heard that the APS Seminar on LOP ops is worthwhile. Has anyone had first hand experience with their $395 on line course. 

 

 I notice that they also have a 3 day live seminar as well. It would seem that a 3 day seminar to learn how to run an engine is a bit excessive. Amy I missing something here? Is LOP really that difficult to do correctly?

 

 Cheers

 

 Les

 

 

 

 

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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:20 pm Post subject: LOP Education - APS Seminar

The seminar was specifically tailored to "Well Healed" owners of Continental IO-520 and 550s. They do one heck of a job. Many Beech and Cirrus owners have found the seminar well worth the value (Time & Money).Â LOP theory can be boiled down to effectively injecting each of your cylinders and judiciously monitoring data stream.Â  Glass cockpit design has helped immensely.

Knowing PEAK is a requirement.Â  Understanding the Benefit/Risk of ROP and how far down the curve past PEAK you can run LEAN is the final exam.

Those who are receptive, those who monitor the side haved saved countless $$ on AVGAS.Â  FADEC is the only alternative to do the same without Intervention.Â  The Rotax 912 iS is a stunning example over the 912 ULS in the RV-12.

I valued the material.Â  I believe I understand the Risks and the clear rewards.Â  I know when not to walk the "Lean of Peak" trot.Â  YMMV.Â  I know of many a stubborn pilots who swear they would never cross to the other side. Throwing fuel at the issue is simple. Uncontrolled Detonation is the focus of the seminar training.

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 I have heard that the APS Seminar on LOP ops is worthwhile. Has anyone had first hand experience with their $395 on line course.

 

 I notice that they also have a 3 day live seminar as well. It would seem that a 3 day seminar to learn how to run an engine is a bit excessive. Amy I missing something here? Is LOP really that difficult to do correctly?

 

 Cheers

 

 Les

 

 

 

 

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Lenny Iszak

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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: LOP Education - APS Seminar

Les,



I did the online course and then a few months later the live seminar. I think at least the online course should be mandatory for anyone flying behind these engines.

Some of the material is geared toward turbocharged engines simply because the margin of error is a lot less on those. Our engines are pretty indestructible in comparison.



There's so much misinformation floating around about these engines, and these guys show you the data, real time, on a fully instrumented engine. You can watch the same thing on the online course videos, but it's way better to watch it live in the test cell, and tell George to do this or that to the engine and watch the pressure traces.



These guys have spent countless hours trying to detonate and do all kinds of bad things to a bunch of different engines in their test cell. By the end of the seminar your head will spin from all of the information, but you'll get a much better understanding of your engine and a clear picture of how to manage the red knob which so many people are afraid of.



I attended a Lycoming forum a couple of years ago at OSH, where they pretty much said if you run your engine LOP you'll kill it, sooner than later. Bullshit legal CYA.

At APS you get the real data, without myths or biases or operating manuals written by lawyers.



They do give you a manual: "The basic theory of operation of the Turbo Compound Engine", written in 1957. Contains the same or very similar pressure traces that are drawn on George's high tech screens... back then engines still liked running lean of peak... 



The online course is surprisingly well put together and definitely worth the money. They have quizzes at the end of each chapter to verify that you really understood the material. They have a few in-flight videos and a couple of test cell videos. I felt that I learned a lot from the online course, but the live seminar gave me an even better understanding of my engine.



One other thing, these guys have done the live event for many years and it shows in its organization. Everything went smoothly from start to finish. It was also very entertaining.



Lenny

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