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karolamy(at)roadrunner.co
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 6:15 am Post subject: Windscreen Die

Chris,

 Used the die in my windscreen layup not too long ago.  Don't remember the brand, but it was made specifically for epoxy resins and was black in color.  Although I wouldn't say it created any huge complications, it did little to actually turn the epoxy black as I'd hoped for.  Turned it a light gray at best.  There was a volume limit caution with the die also, so you couldn't just say, "well a little is good so a lot will be better".  It also was a liquid, not powder.  

  My reasoning for using the die was purely aesthetics.  My RV-6 used the same windscreen layup, and looking through the windscreen from inside was never bothersome, especially after being painted.   In the 10 however we sit a bit higher.  After completing the windscreen layup I checked the appearance from inside.  Didn't like it & too much was visible.  Everyone has a different opinion, but I like the way automotive glass today has a black painted border on the inside perimeter.   This paint allows the hiding of trim pieces (pillar post, headliner, etc) while looking from outside in.  I copied that.  Using 3M fine line tape was able to get a decent border on the inside of the windscreen and shoot it a semi flat black.  It's about 2 minutes of painting, and an hour or so of masking, but came out nicely.  

  Plans call for small clips to be fabricated to support in position the lower fwd section of windscreen.  I could actually make those out (looking inside out) after the layup on mine.  After paint of course,  gone.  

  This painting inside perimeter has been mentioned on this site before, so check archives if you are interested.  Good luck with your sanding!



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civengpe

Joined: 14 Feb 2011
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 6:42 am Post subject: Windscreen Die

Thank you all for your input on this.  It has given me much to think about.  Does anyone have any photos of what the inside of the non-dyed fairing looks like after paint?

Thanks,

Shannon Hicks

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Rich Hansen <karolamy(at)roadrunner.com (karolamy(at)roadrunner.com)> wrote:

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  Chris,

  Used the die in my windscreen layup not too long ago.  Don't remember the brand, but it was made specifically for epoxy resins and was black in color.  Although I wouldn't say it created any huge complications, it did little to actually turn the epoxy black as I'd hoped for.  Turned it a light gray at best.  There was a volume limit caution with the die also, so you couldn't just say, "well a little is good so a lot will be better".  It also was a liquid, not powder.

   My reasoning for using the die was purely aesthetics.  My RV-6 used the same windscreen layup, and looking through the windscreen from inside was never bothersome, especially after being painted.   In the 10 however we sit a bit higher.  After completing the windscreen layup I checked the appearance from inside.  Didn't like it & too much was visible.  Everyone has a different opinion, but I like the way automotive glass today has a black painted border on the inside perimeter.   This paint allows the hiding of trim pieces (pillar post, headliner, etc) while looking from outside in.  I copied that.  Using 3M fine line tape was able to get a decent border on the inside of the windscreen and shoot it a semi flat black.  It's about 2 minutes of painting, and an hour or so of masking, but came out nicely.

   Plans call for small clips to be fabricated to support in position the lower fwd section of windscreen.  I could actually make those out (looking inside out) after the layup on mine.  After paint of course,  gone.

   This painting inside perimeter has been mentioned on this site before, so check archives if you are interested.  Good luck with your sanding!

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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 6:51 am Post subject: Windscreen Die

I used the AS pigment- 

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/epoxyPigments.php?clickkey=334111

A little bit went a long way. I found that it did a very nice job making it 

black and would use/do it again.

One needs to be careful however. once it touches something it is virtually 

impossible to clean it up completely.

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civengpe

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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 7:08 am Post subject: Windscreen Die

Thanks Pascal.  This is the pigment I have on order along with the Alumiprep and Alodine.  I may try a dry run on some scrap aluminum just to get the hang of it prior to going full scale.



Now I need to spend the next week trying to get this Cee-Baley windshield to fit.  It looks like I'm going to have to do some serious sanding to get this thing to fit.  When it sits flush on my upper fuselage, I only have about 1/4"-1/2" overlap on the top portion of the cabin top flange....This means I'm going to have to remove about 1/2" from the corners of the plexi so it can slide back.   Maybe they have fixed these fit issues since I ordered mine 3 years ago, but they are no where near drop in place.

Shannon

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Pascal <rv10flyer(at)live.com (rv10flyer(at)live.com)> wrote:

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 I used the AS pigment- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/epoxyPigments.php?clickkey=334111

 A little bit went a long way. I found that it did a very nice job making it black and would use/do it again.

 One needs to be careful however. once it touches something it is virtually impossible to clean it up completely.

 

 

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flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:00 am Post subject: Windscreen Die

I clecoed a piece of scrap angle       aluminum where the front of the windshield sits on the upper fuse       and laid the windshield against it to keep the windshield from       sliding fwd.  I marked where the cabin top edge met the windshield       with a sharpie and trimmed to that line.  The belt sander made       quick work of final fitting.  My windshield fit flush all the way       around the upper fuse with the exception of an area on both sides        just fwd of the fiberglass top.  A clip riveted to the upper fuse       solved that problem.

       Linn

       

       On 7/8/2015 11:05 AM, Shannon Hicks wrote:

     

     [quote]       Thanks Pascal.  This is the pigment I have on order         along with the Alumiprep and Alodine.  I may try a dry run on         some scrap aluminum just to get the hang of it prior to going         full scale.         

         

         Now I need to spend the next week trying to get this           Cee-Baley windshield to fit.  It looks like I'm going to have           to do some serious sanding to get this thing to fit.  When it           sits flush on my upper fuselage, I only have about 1/4"-1/2"           overlap on the top portion of the cabin top flange....This           means I'm going to have to remove about 1/2" from the corners           of the plexi so it can slide back.   Maybe they have fixed           these fit issues since I ordered mine 3 years ago, but they           are no where near drop in place.

         

         

         Shannon

       

       

         On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Pascal           <rv10flyer(at)live.com (rv10flyer(at)live.com)>           wrote:

           [quote]-->             RV10-List message posted by: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com (rv10flyer(at)live.com)>

             

             I used the AS pigment- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/epoxyPigments.php?clickkey=334111

             A little bit went a long way. I found that it did a very             nice job making it black and would use/do it again.

             One needs to be careful however. once it touches something             it is virtually impossible to clean it up completely.

             

             

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civengpe

Joined: 14 Feb 2011
Posts: 105

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 12:44 pm Post subject: Windscreen Die

It looks like I had a misunderstanding of what the Cee-Bailey plexi would give me.  So when they weren't "plug and play", I was under the false assumption that I had some bad stuff.  Now that I know the intent was to leave 1/4" for final fit up it makes a lot more sense.  



These last few steps have been a real booger compared to the first 95%. of the build.  I have learned that I like aluminum much more than either fiber or plexi glass.

Shannon

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Linn Walters <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com (flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com)> wrote:

[quote]                   I clecoed a piece of scrap angle       aluminum where the front of the windshield sits on the upper fuse       and laid the windshield against it to keep the windshield from       sliding fwd.  I marked where the cabin top edge met the windshield       with a sharpie and trimmed to that line.  The belt sander made       quick work of final fitting.  My windshield fit flush all the way       around the upper fuse with the exception of an area on both sides        just fwd of the fiberglass top.  A clip riveted to the upper fuse       solved that problem.

       Linn

       

       On 7/8/2015 11:05 AM, Shannon Hicks wrote:

     

     [quote]       Thanks Pascal.  This is the pigment I have on order         along with the Alumiprep and Alodine.  I may try a dry run on         some scrap aluminum just to get the hang of it prior to going         full scale.         

         

         Now I need to spend the next week trying to get this           Cee-Baley windshield to fit.  It looks like I'm going to have           to do some serious sanding to get this thing to fit.  When it           sits flush on my upper fuselage, I only have about 1/4"-1/2"           overlap on the top portion of the cabin top flange....This           means I'm going to have to remove about 1/2" from the corners           of the plexi so it can slide back.   Maybe they have fixed           these fit issues since I ordered mine 3 years ago, but they           are no where near drop in place.

         

         

         Shannon

       

       

         On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Pascal           <rv10flyer(at)live.com (rv10flyer(at)live.com)>           wrote:

           [quote]-->             RV10-List message posted by: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com (rv10flyer(at)live.com)>

             

             I used the AS pigment- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/epoxyPigments.php?clickkey=334111

             A little bit went a long way. I found that it did a very             nice job making it black and would use/do it again.

             One needs to be careful however. once it touches something             it is virtually impossible to clean it up completely.

             

             

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Bob Turner

Joined: 03 Jan 2009
Posts: 885
Location: Castro Valley, CA

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 4:14 pm Post subject: Re: Windscreen Die

Can anyone change the title to "dye"? I thought someone was trying to put threads in their windscreen!

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johngoodman

Joined: 18 Sep 2006
Posts: 530
Location: GA

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:18 pm Post subject: Re: Windscreen Die

Yeah, it's really dye, but on to the point.

I didn't use Van's method of glassing strips at the base of the windshield - I used the ML Skunkworks aluminum method, instead. I love the results, and it will be much easier to remove when the day comes.

http://www.mlblueskunk.com/Windscreen_Fairings.html



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