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 Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 7:23 am Post subject: Painting trim |
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Herb,
You are correct about putting the first layer of tape exactly on the line
you want. Then tape the paper down to the first tape with another layer of
tape. I know this takes twice as much tape but it is worth it just in the
ease of application. You can actually use plain old brown masking tape for
this and save a little $$. Usually I put all the first tape down before I
start putting the tape/paper down. That way you can stand back and "eyeball"
your work to see if it matches what you were planning. Sometimes tape gets
applied to the wrong side of the "line" and it is really hard to see that if
you have the masking paper in place.
Looking at the first run of tape also helps identify any less than straight
areas. Much easier to lift and adjust a single line of tape than the whole
masked up edge.
I found the local big box hardware store had brown masking paper in rolls up
to 12" wide. The local NAPA store had wider stock. I did not try newspapers
as there are lots of recommendations against that. Hopefully you won't have
any problems. Putting two or three layers of newspaper in the first 12" away
from the trim line would help absorb any overspray that may be heavier in
that area.
Last piece of advice. Run your fingernail over all the tape where it
contacts the fabric just before you spray. That way there is nice fresh
tight contact between the tape and the fabric. This will help prevent the
new paint from creeping under the tape. Don't worry about the blue tape
sticking to the previous paint. As long as it has had a day or two to dry,
the blue tape will peel off nicely and not leave any residue. It can be
removed as soon as the paint on the tape is dry to the touch.
Best of luck and post pictures when you get'er done!
Stuart
<snip>
I bought the standard, recommended 3M blue tape..and gathered up as much
news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of newspaper
that has the small holes in it...
I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overlaying that
with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper....
need all the help that I can get... Herb in Ky
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Herbgh(at)nctc.com
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| Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:42 am Post subject: Painting trim |
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Stuart
I suspect that the print on the newspaper will bleed with the acetone
and mek that is in the paint? Think I will buy some brown paper at one
of the auto or hardware stores...Herb
ps thanks for the procedure...Think I am good to go on the
fuselage..will paint the wing leading edge outside...
On 08/19/2015 10:23 AM, Stuart Harner wrote:
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Herb,
You are correct about putting the first layer of tape exactly on the line
you want. Then tape the paper down to the first tape with another layer of
tape. I know this takes twice as much tape but it is worth it just in the
ease of application. You can actually use plain old brown masking tape for
this and save a little $$. Usually I put all the first tape down before I
start putting the tape/paper down. That way you can stand back and "eyeball"
your work to see if it matches what you were planning. Sometimes tape gets
applied to the wrong side of the "line" and it is really hard to see that if
you have the masking paper in place.
Looking at the first run of tape also helps identify any less than straight
areas. Much easier to lift and adjust a single line of tape than the whole
masked up edge.
I found the local big box hardware store had brown masking paper in rolls up
to 12" wide. The local NAPA store had wider stock. I did not try newspapers
as there are lots of recommendations against that. Hopefully you won't have
any problems. Putting two or three layers of newspaper in the first 12" away
from the trim line would help absorb any overspray that may be heavier in
that area.
Last piece of advice. Run your fingernail over all the tape where it
contacts the fabric just before you spray. That way there is nice fresh
tight contact between the tape and the fabric. This will help prevent the
new paint from creeping under the tape. Don't worry about the blue tape
sticking to the previous paint. As long as it has had a day or two to dry,
the blue tape will peel off nicely and not leave any residue. It can be
removed as soon as the paint on the tape is dry to the touch.
Best of luck and post pictures when you get'er done!
Stuart
<snip>
I bought the standard, recommended 3M blue tape..and gathered up as much
news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of newspaper
that has the small holes in it...
I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overlaying that
with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper....
need all the help that I can get... Herb in Ky
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pc.king(at)comcast.net
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| Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:03 am Post subject: Painting trim |
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Test masking tape for paint bleed under the edges before you put it all over
your Kolb. Blue painter's tape is low stick and has a better edge.
You can buy blue tape with paper already applied to it. It costs more but is
worth the lower effort. Taping paper is like hanging wallpaper by yourself.
It's not pretty.
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russk50(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 1:59 pm Post subject: Painting trim |
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Painters
I agree with the advice about not using newspaper. Don’t be stingy! - good paper is worth it.
And I haven’t heard mentioned that by far the easier way to paint is to paint the trim FIRST; then mask it off & spray the rest of the plane. MUCH less area to mask off. And good luck.
Fair winds, Russ K
do not archive
| Quote: | On Aug 19, 2015, at 12:41 PM, Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> wrote:
Stuart
I suspect that the print on the newspaper will bleed with the acetone and mek that is in the paint? Think I will buy some brown paper at one of the auto or hardware stores...Herb
ps thanks for the procedure...Think I am good to go on the fuselage..will paint the wing leading edge outside...
On 08/19/2015 10:23 AM, Stuart Harner wrote:
>
>
> Herb,
>
> You are correct about putting the first layer of tape exactly on the line
> you want. Then tape the paper down to the first tape with another layer of
> tape. I know this takes twice as much tape but it is worth it just in the
> ease of application. You can actually use plain old brown masking tape for
> this and save a little $$. Usually I put all the first tape down before I
> start putting the tape/paper down. That way you can stand back and "eyeball"
> your work to see if it matches what you were planning. Sometimes tape gets
> applied to the wrong side of the "line" and it is really hard to see that if
> you have the masking paper in place.
>
> Looking at the first run of tape also helps identify any less than straight
> areas. Much easier to lift and adjust a single line of tape than the whole
> masked up edge.
>
> I found the local big box hardware store had brown masking paper in rolls up
> to 12" wide. The local NAPA store had wider stock. I did not try newspapers
> as there are lots of recommendations against that. Hopefully you won't have
> any problems. Putting two or three layers of newspaper in the first 12" away
> from the trim line would help absorb any overspray that may be heavier in
> that area.
>
> Last piece of advice. Run your fingernail over all the tape where it
> contacts the fabric just before you spray. That way there is nice fresh
> tight contact between the tape and the fabric. This will help prevent the
> new paint from creeping under the tape. Don't worry about the blue tape
> sticking to the previous paint. As long as it has had a day or two to dry,
> the blue tape will peel off nicely and not leave any residue. It can be
> removed as soon as the paint on the tape is dry to the touch.
>
> Best of luck and post pictures when you get'er done!
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
>
> <snip>
> I bought the standard, recommended 3M blue tape..and gathered up as much
> news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of newspaper
> that has the small holes in it...
>
> I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overlaying that
> with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper....
> need all the help that I can get... Herb in Ky
>
>
>
>
>
>
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smlplanet(at)msn.com
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| Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:56 pm Post subject: Painting trim |
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Like Russ said get a good paper, it's worth it and less head aches. Depending on the style and amount, I painted the plane first. I found that after taping off the area to be trimmed I would use a a spray can of clear and sprayed the tape to stop any paint leaking under the tape onto the other paint.
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 17:59:28 -0400
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
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Painters
I agree with the advice about not using newspaper. Don’t be stingy! - good paper is worth it.
And I haven’t heard mentioned that by far the easier way to paint is to paint the trim FIRST; then mask it off & spray the rest of the plane. MUCH less area to mask off. And good luck.
Fair winds, Russ K
do not archive
> On Aug 19, 2015, at 12:41 PM, Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> wrote:
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> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
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> Stuart
>
> I suspect that the print on the newspaper will bleed with the acetone and mek that is in the paint? Think I will buy some brown paper at one of the auto or hardware stores...Herb
>
> ps thanks for the procedure...Think I am good to go on the fuselage..will paint the wing leading edge outside...
>
> On 08/19/2015 10:23 AM, Stuart Harner wrote:
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net>
>>
>> Herb,
>>
>> You are correct about putting the first layer of tape exactly on the line
>> you want. Then tape the paper down to the first tape with another layer of
>> tape. I know this takes twice as much tape but it is worth it just in the
>> ease of application. You can actually use plain old brown masking tape for
>> this and save a little $$. Usually I put all the first tape down before I
>> start putting the tape/paper down. That way you can stand back and "eyeball"
>> your work to see if it matches what you were planning. Sometimes tape gets
>> applied to the wrong side of the "line" and it is really hard to see that if
>> you have the masking paper in place.
>>
>> Looking at the first run of tape also helps identify any less than straight
>> areas. Much easier to lift and adjust a single line of tape than the whole
>> masked up edge.
>>
>> I found the local big box hardware store had brown masking paper in rolls up
>> to 12" wide. The local NAPA store had wider stock. I did not try newspapers
>> as there are lots of recommendations against that. Hopefully you won't have
>> any problems. Putting two or three layers of newspaper in the first 12" away
>> from the trim line would help absorb any overspray that may be heavier in
>> that area.
>>
>> Last piece of advice. Run your fingernail over all the tape where it
>> contacts the fabric just before you spray. That way there is nice fresh
>> tight contact between the tape and the fabric. This will help prevent the
>> new paint from creeping under the tape. Don't worry about the blue tape
>> sticking to the previous paint. As long as it has had a day or two to dry,
>> the blue tape will peel off nicely and not leave any residue. It can be
>> removed as soon as the paint on the tape is dry to the touch.
>>
>> Best of luck and post pictures when you get'er done!
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <snip>
>> I bought the standard, recommended 3M blue tape..and gathered up as much
>> news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of newspaper
>> that has the small holes in it...
>>
>> I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overlaying that
>> with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper....
>> need all the help that I can get... Herb in Ky
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>
>
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:10 pm Post subject: Painting trim |
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They sell fine line tape for painting at the auto parts. It is very thin is plastic so it can be stretched to make curves. It has smooth edges that will not leave rough paint lines. You put it on first to get lines or designs then use blue painters tape on it. Spend the money to use good tape and paper if you want the best paint job you can do.
Gary Jindra
Mark 3c 912 ul
380 hours
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: Painting trim
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com (Herbgh(at)nctc.com)>
Stuart
I suspect that the print on the newspaper will bleed with the acetone
and mek that is in the paint? Think I will buy some brown paper at one
of the auto or hardware stores...Herb
ps thanks for the procedure...Think I am good to go on the
fuselage..will paint the wing leading edge outside..
On 08/19/2015 10:23 AM, Stuart Harner wrote:
[quote] --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net (stuart(at)harnerfarm.net)>
Herb,
You are correct about putting the first layer of tape exactly on the line
you want. Then tape the paper down to the first tape with another layer of
tape. I know this takes twice as much tape but it is worth it just in the
ease of application. You can actually use plain old brown masking tape for
this and save a little $$. Usually I put all the first tape down before I
start putting the tape/paper down. That way you can stand back and "eyeball"
your work to see if it matches what you were planning. Sometimes tape gets
applied to the wrong side of the "line" and it is really hard to see that if
you have the masking paper in place.
Looking at the first run of tape also helps identify any less than straight
areas. Much easier to lift and adjust a single line of tape than the whole
masked up edge.
I found the local big box hardware store had brown masking paper in rolls up
to 12" wide. The local NAPA store had wider stock. I did not try newspapers
as there are lots of recommendations against that. Hopefully you won't have
any problems. Putting two or three layers of newspaper in the first 12" away
from the trim line would help absorb any overspray that may be heavier in
that area.
Last piece of advice. Run your fingernail over all the tape where it
contacts the fabric just before you spray. That way there is nice fresh
tight contact between the tape and the fabric. This will help prevent the
new paint from creeping under the tape. Don't worry about the blue tape
sticking to the previous paint. As long as it has had a day or two to dry,
the blue tape will peel off nicely and not leave any residue. It can be
removed as soon as the paint on the tape is dry to the touch.
Best of luck and post pictures when you get'er done!
Stuart
<snip>
I bought the standard, recommended 3M blue tape..and gathered up as much
news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of newspaper
that has the small holes in it...
I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overlaying that
with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper....
need all the help that I can get... Her://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List" target="_blank">http://www.matr --> [quote][b]
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 6:12 pm Post subject: Painting trim |
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I bought the blue tape and gave it a try this evening...for the life of me could not run a straight line across the top of the wing...!! Gave up and put the puppy back in the garage...Think I will prevail on a buddy who painted F4's for McDonald Douglas back in St Louis...Quite a step down and I know he will have his nose in the air...but he owes me one... Herb
On 08/20/2015 05:10 PM, GARY JINDRA wrote:
[quote]
 They sell fine line tape for painting at the auto parts. It is very thin is plastic so it can be stretched to make curves. It has smooth edges that will not leave rough paint lines. You put it on first to get lines or designs then use blue painters tape on it. Spend the money to use good tape and paper if you want the best paint job you can do.
Â
Gary Jindra  Â
Mark 3c 912 ul
380 hours
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> (Herbgh(at)nctc.com)
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: Painting trim
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com (Herbgh(at)nctc.com)>
Stuart
 I suspect that the print on the newspaper will bleed with the acetone
and mek that is in the paint? Think I will buy some brown paper at one
of the auto or hardware stores...Herb
ps thanks for the procedure...Think I am good to go on the
fuselage..will paint the wing leading edge outside...
On 08/19/2015 10:23 AM, Stuart Harner wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net (stuart(at)harnerfarm.net)>
>
> Herb,
>
> You are correct about putting the first layer of tape exactly on the line
> you want. Then tape the paper down to the first tape with another layer of
> tape. I know this takes twice as much tape but it is worth it just in the
> ease of application. You can actually use plain old brown masking tape for
> this and save a little $$. Usually I put all the first tape down before I
> start putting the tape/paper down. That way you can stand back and "eyeball"
> your work to see if it matches what you were planning. Sometimes tape gets
> applied to the wrong side of the "line" and it is really hard to see that if
> you have the masking paper in place.
>
> Looking at the first run of tape also helps identify any less than straight
> areas. Much easier to lift and adjust a single line of tape than the whole
> masked up edge.
>
> I found the local big box hardware store had brown masking paper in rolls up
> to 12" wide. The local NAPA store had wider stock. I did not try newspapers
> as there are lots of recommendations against that. Hopefully you won't have
> any problems. Putting two or three layers of newspaper in the first 12" away
> from the trim line would help absorb any overspray that may be heavier in
> that area.
>
> Last piece of advice. Run your fingernail over all the tape where it
> contacts the fabric just before you spray. That way there is nice fresh
> tight contact between the tape and the fabric. This will help prevent the
> new paint from creeping under the tape. Don't worry about the blue tape
> sticking to the previous paint. As long as it has had a day or two to dry,
> the blue tape will peel off nicely and not leave any residue. It can be
> removed as soon as the paint on the tape is dry to the touch.
>
> Best of luck and post pictures when you get'er done!
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
>
> <snip>
>Â Â I bought the standard, recommended 3M blue tape..and gathered up as much
> news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of newspaper
> that has the small holes in it...
>
>Â Â I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overlaying that
> with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper....
> need all the help that I can get... Her://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List" target="_blank">http://www.matr --> - The Kolb-List Email Forum - Un/Subscription, FAQ, href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web Site - href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:33 am Post subject: Painting trim |
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Herb,
To run a long straight line, try using some dental floss. Tape it down securely at one end and then pull it tight and tape it on the other end. Or depending on where it is you may be able to just hang a weight on it to keep it tight.
Now go along the line every few inches and make a real light pencil mark. Now you have a guide and only have to tape from mark to mark.
Try lightly sticking down only the edge you are trying to create that way it is easy to pick up and reposition if needed.
I have watched guys who are pros stick down one end and then pull the tape all the way to the other end. Hold it straight and then lay it down and it was perfect. Since I couldn’t duplicate their skills, I had to find a way to cheat!
There is nothing that says it has to be all one piece of tape either. Work in short(er) sections if that helps you out.
Best of luck,
Stuart
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To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Painting trim
I bought the blue tape and gave it a try this evening...for the life of me could not run a straight line across the top of the wing...!! Gave up and put the puppy back in the garage...Think I will prevail on a buddy who painted F4's for McDonald Douglas back in St Louis...Quite a step down and I know he will have his nose in the air...but he owes me one... Herb
On 08/20/2015 05:10 PM, GARY JINDRA wrote:
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They sell fine line tape for painting at the auto parts. It is very thin is plastic so it can be stretched to make curves. It has smooth edges that will not leave rough paint lines. You put it on first to get lines or designs then use blue painters tape on it. Spend the money to use good tape and paper if you want the best paint job you can do.
Gary Jindra
Mark 3c 912 ul
380 hours
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> (Herbgh(at)nctc.com)
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: Painting trim
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com (Herbgh(at)nctc.com)>
Stuart
I suspect that the print on the newspaper will bleed with the acetone
and mek that is in the paint? Think I will buy some brown paper at one
of the auto or hardware stores...Herb
ps thanks for the procedure...Think I am good to go on the
fuselage..will paint the wing leading edge outside...
On 08/19/2015 10:23 AM, Stuart Harner wrote:
| Quote: | --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net (stuart(at)harnerfarm.net)>
Herb,
You are correct about putting the first layer of tape exactly on the line
you want. Then tape the paper down to the first tape with another layer of
tape. I know this takes twice as much tape but it is worth it just in the
ease of application. You can actually use plain old brown masking tape for
this and save a little $$. Usually I put all the first tape down before I
start putting the tape/paper down. That way you can stand back and "eyeball"
your work to see if it matches what you were planning. Sometimes tape gets
applied to the wrong side of the "line" and it is really hard to see that if
you have the masking paper in place.
Looking at the first run of tape also helps identify any less than straight
areas. Much easier to lift and adjust a single line of tape than the whole
masked up edge.
I found the local big box hardware store had brown masking paper in rolls up
to 12" wide. The local NAPA store had wider stock. I did not try newspapers
as there are lots of recommendations against that. Hopefully you won't have
any problems. Putting two or three layers of newspaper in the first 12" away
from the trim line would help absorb any overspray that may be heavier in
that area.
Last piece of advice. Run your fingernail over all the tape where it
contacts the fabric just before you spray. That way there is nice fresh
tight contact between the tape and the fabric. This will help prevent the
new paint from creeping under the tape. Don't worry about the blue tape
sticking to the previous paint. As long as it has had a day or two to dry,
the blue tape will peel off nicely and not leave any residue. It can be
removed as soon as the paint on the tape is dry to the touch.
Best of luck and post pictures when you get'er done!
Stuart
<snip>
I bought the standard, recommended 3M blue tape..and gathered up as much
news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of newspaper
that has the small holes in it...
I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overlaying that
with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper....
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baberdk
Joined: 23 Jan 2014
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Location: East Moline, Il
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 4:11 am Post subject: Painting trim |
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A friend of mine is a painter and he told me that if after you put the tape on, spray the edge with hair spray, or paint the tape with the color underneath the tape. Either one makes a really nice line when the tape is removed.
Respectfully,
Dennis Baber
(305) 814-7218
baberdk(at)gmail.com (baberdk(at)gmail.com)
"I can't stand intolerance !!"
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