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cooprv7(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:24 am Post subject: ADS-B Receivers

I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but I’m looking to get an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down what’s best for my setup.  I use an iPad for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays.  I’m not committed to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.  



In my research I’ve found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT displays.  



Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be able to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route.  That leaves the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only).  The XGPS170 is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS.  As I already have a backup I’m not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good.  The SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.  



I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?  It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is not really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.



Thanks,

Marcus

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:52 am Post subject: ADS-B Receivers

You are forgetting one thing in your equation.  You're going to need something later to be legal that transmits, not just receives,  most of those portables you listed will not transmit the "out" portion.  The NavWorX btw does do traffic on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or EXP model.  My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates with your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.  That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose.  I'm pretty sure the NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the ADS600-EXP may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you have the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but not sure on the iPad.  The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do it, it should be pretty cheap to do.  The ADS600B will definitely work though.  I have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring one into my RV14 as well...both to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on the iPad.  One tip...if you go with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that saves some money.  I have WingX, Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both work with the NavWorX. FlyQ just turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta tested and it's way better than the original version...you wouldn't want that old version. But now you have many options.  But I would ditch the idea of ALL of those portables and definitely buy one that will make you 2020 ready that is permanently installed, no matter what brand you use.  Plus, most of those will only receive something if someone is transmitting in your very local area.

Tim



 	  Quote: 	
		   On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but I’m looking to get an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down what’s best for my setup.  I use an iPad for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays.  I’m not committed to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.  

 

 In my research I’ve found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT displays.  

 

 Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be able to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route.  That leaves the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only).  The XGPS170 is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS.  As I already have a backup I’m not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good.  The SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.  

 

 I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?  It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is not really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.

 

 Thanks,

 Marcus

flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:07 pm Post subject: ADS-B Receivers

You might check out the pathfinder http://www.fdatasystems.com/pathfinder

What are you doing for ADS-B out?  Just curious.

I have MGL Odyssey panels and have a Trig transponder for out. Looking 

at the pathfinder for in, but haven't purchased it.  The closer I get to 

flying I think there'll be even more options, but I'm sure the prices 

will also increase.  Hobson's choice!



Linn

On 8/28/2015 3:20 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but I’m looking to get an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down what’s best for my setup.  I use an iPad for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays.  I’m not committed to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.



 In my research I’ve found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT displays.



 Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be able to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route.  That leaves the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only).  The XGPS170 is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS.  As I already have a backup I’m not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good.  The SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.



 I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?  It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is not really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.



 Thanks,

 Marcus

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cooprv7(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:45 pm Post subject: ADS-B Receivers

Tim and Linn,  thanks for the quick responses!  To be honest my plan was to put off the 2020 requirement a few more years in hopes that increased production and competition would lower the prices and I may not have the RV-10 that long either.  Can’t imagine giving it up, but the needs are always changing.  I hadn’t heard of the Pathfinder and the NavWorx EXP model looks pretty good.  NavWorx seem to be quite proud of their antennas, but otherwise the price is pretty impressive and appears to be fully capable.



Thanks again,

Marcus

On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:






You are forgetting one thing in your equation.  You're going to need something later to be legal that transmits, not just receives,  most of those portables you listed will not transmit the "out" portion.  The NavWorX btw does do traffic on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or EXP model.  My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates with your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.  That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose.  I'm pretty sure the NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the ADS600-EXP may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you have the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but not sure on the iPad.  The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do it, it should be pretty cheap to do.  The ADS600B will definitely work though.  I have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring one i!

nto my RV14 as well...both to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on the iPad.  One tip...if you go with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that saves some money.  I have WingX, Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both work with the NavWorX. FlyQ just turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta tested and it's way better than the original version...you wouldn't want that old version. But now you have many options.  But I would ditch the idea of ALL of those portables and definitely buy one that will make you 2020 ready that is permanently installed, no matter what brand you use.  Plus, most of those will only receive something if someone is transmitting in your very local area.

Tim



 	  Quote: 	
		   On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but I’m looking to get an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down what’s best for my setup.  I use an iPad for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays.  I’m not committed to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.  

 

 In my research I’ve found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT displays.  

 

 Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be able to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route.  That leaves the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only).  The XGPS170 is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS.  As I already have a backup I’m not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good.  The SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.  

 

 I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?  It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is not really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.

 

 Thanks,

 Marcus

cooprv7(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:00 pm Post subject: ADS-B Receivers

After doing a little more research on the NavWorx site I’m thinking that’s the way to go, I’ve got a request in to see if the EXP model will support both EFIS and iPad simultaneously.  Tim, where did you install your ADS600?  Still sorting out the antenna situation, but if I put the system behind the instrument panel then a remote antenna is likely the only option. 



Thanks again for the info,

Marcus

On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> wrote:



Tim and Linn,  thanks for the quick responses!  To be honest my plan was to put off the 2020 requirement a few more years in hopes that increased production and competition would lower the prices and I may not have the RV-10 that long either.  Can’t imagine giving it up, but the needs are always changing.  I hadn’t heard of the Pathfinder and the NavWorx EXP model looks pretty good.  NavWorx seem to be quite proud of their antennas, but otherwise the price is pretty impressive and appears to be fully capable.



Thanks again,

Marcus

On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:






You are forgetting one thing in your equation.  You're going to need something later to be legal that transmits, not just receives,  most of those portables you listed will not transmit the "out" portion.  The NavWorX btw does do traffic on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or EXP model.  My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates with your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.  That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose.  I'm pretty sure the NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the ADS600-EXP may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you have the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but not sure on the iPad.  The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do it, it should be pretty cheap to do.  The ADS600B will definitely work though.  I have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring one i!

nto my RV14 as well...both to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on the iPad.  One tip...if you go with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that saves some money.  I have WingX, Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both work with the NavWorX. FlyQ just turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta tested and it's way better than the original version...you wouldn't want that old version. But now you have many options.  But I would ditch the idea of ALL of those portables and definitely buy one that will make you 2020 ready that is permanently installed, no matter what brand you use.  Plus, most of those will only receive something if someone is transmitting in your very local area.

Tim



 	  Quote: 	
		   On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but I’m looking to get an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down what’s best for my setup.  I use an iPad for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays.  I’m not committed to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.  

 

 In my research I’ve found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT displays.  

 

 Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be able to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route.  That leaves the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only).  The XGPS170 is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS.  As I already have a backup I’m not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good.  The SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.  

 

 I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?  It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is not really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.

 

 Thanks,

 Marcus

rleffler

Joined: 05 Nov 2006
Posts: 680

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:30 pm Post subject: ADS-B Receivers

Most of us have put them behind the baggage bulkhead next to the batteries.    That makes running the gps and transponder antenna easier.

Sent from my iPad

 	  Quote: 	
		   On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

 After doing a little more research on the NavWorx site I’m thinking that’s the way to go, I’ve got a request in to see if the EXP model will support both EFIS and iPad simultaneously.  Tim, where did you install your ADS600?  Still sorting out the antenna situation, but if I put the system behind the instrument panel then a remote antenna is likely the only option. 

 Thanks again for the info,

 Marcus

 On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

 Tim and Linn,  thanks for the quick responses!  To be honest my plan was to put off the 2020 requirement a few more years in hopes that increased production and competition would lower the prices and I may not have the RV-10 that long either.  Can’t imagine giving it up, but the needs are always changing.  I hadn’t heard of the Pathfinder and the NavWorx EXP model looks pretty good.  NavWorx seem to be quite proud of their antennas, but otherwise the price is pretty impressive and appears to be fully capable.

 Thanks again,

 Marcus

 On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:

 You are forgetting one thing in your equation.  You're going to need something later to be legal that transmits, not just receives,  most of those portables you listed will not transmit the "out" portion.  The NavWorX btw does do traffic on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or EXP model.  My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates with your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.  That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose.  I'm pretty sure the NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the ADS600-EXP may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you have the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but not sure on the iPad.  The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do it, it should be pretty cheap to do.  The ADS600B will definitely work though.  I have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring one i!

 nto my RV14 as well...both to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on the iPad.  One tip...if you go with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that saves some money.  I have WingX, Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both work with the NavWorX. FlyQ just turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta tested and it's way better than the original version...you wouldn't want that old version. But now you have many options.  But I would ditch the idea of ALL of those portables and definitely buy one that will make you 2020 ready that is permanently installed, no matter what brand you use.  Plus, most of those will only receive something if someone is transmitting in your very local area.

 Tim

> On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but I’m looking to get an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down what’s best for my setup.  I use an iPad for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays.  I’m not committed to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.  

> 

> In my research I’ve found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT displays.  

> 

> Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be able to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route.  That leaves the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only).  The XGPS170 is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS.  As I already have a backup I’m not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good.  The SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.  

> 

> I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?  It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is not really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.

> 

> Thanks,

> Marcus

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Bob Turner

Joined: 03 Jan 2009
Posts: 885
Location: Castro Valley, CA

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:51 pm Post subject: Re: ADS-B Receivers

My two cents:



WX on the iPad is okay, but you really want traffic up on the panel - e.g., on your GRT display. You did not say what GRT you have. The older HS requires an RS232 input, while the HX or HXr can use USB. So your GRT equipment may dictate what ADSB-in box you can use.



For now, with no ADSB-out, your traffic in will be limited. That being the case I'd consider only dual band receivers, so at least you maximize what you can get.



What do you have now? I already have a Garmin 420W, and an HX. So I have determined my best path to compliance is:

Upgrade 420W software to latest version, which offers "ADSB+" output; sell my existing mode C transponder and replace it with a Trig TT-31 or TT-22, both of which can read Garmin's ADSB+ format (not sure the GRT version of the -22 is up to date but I'm sure it will be soon). I already have a Skyradar D2 installed (antennas on the fiberglass door posts, works fine) which I purchased factory overhauled for $500. It displays both on the Hx (USB) and on my iPad (wifi) running WingX, although the iPad is strictly a backup.

I like and have used WingX even when I paid for it; as a CFI I currently get it for free which is great!

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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB

cooprv7(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:52 pm Post subject: ADS-B Receivers

Thanks Bill, that makes sense.

I received a response from the Bill Moffitt at NavWorx regarding communicating to multiple devices, here it is:

       The product description has the ADS600-EXP sending traffic & weather data to an EFIS (e.g. GRT, AFS, etc) <and> traffic & weather data over the built-in Wifi to iOS or Android devices - up to 7 devices in the airplane at one time.  The ADS600-EXP is the same hardware and software as in our STC/AML/TSO certified ADS600-B product.

Marcus

On Aug 28, 2015, at 5:26 PM, Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> wrote:

Most of us have put them behind the baggage bulkhead next to the batteries.    That makes running the gps and transponder antenna easier.

Sent from my iPad

 	  Quote: 	
		   On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

 After doing a little more research on the NavWorx site I’m thinking that’s the way to go, I’ve got a request in to see if the EXP model will support both EFIS and iPad simultaneously.  Tim, where did you install your ADS600?  Still sorting out the antenna situation, but if I put the system behind the instrument panel then a remote antenna is likely the only option. 

 Thanks again for the info,

 Marcus

 On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

 Tim and Linn,  thanks for the quick responses!  To be honest my plan was to put off the 2020 requirement a few more years in hopes that increased production and competition would lower the prices and I may not have the RV-10 that long either.  Can’t imagine giving it up, but the needs are always changing.  I hadn’t heard of the Pathfinder and the NavWorx EXP model looks pretty good.  NavWorx seem to be quite proud of their antennas, but otherwise the price is pretty impressive and appears to be fully capable.

 Thanks again,

 Marcus

 On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:

 You are forgetting one thing in your equation.  You're going to need something later to be legal that transmits, not just receives,  most of those portables you listed will not transmit the "out" portion.  The NavWorX btw does do traffic on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or EXP model.  My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates with your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.  That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose.  I'm pretty sure the NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the ADS600-EXP may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you have the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but not sure on the iPad.  The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do it, it should be pretty cheap to do.  The ADS600B will definitely work though.  I have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring one!

 i!

 	  Quote: 	
		   nto my RV14 as well...both to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on the iPad.  One tip...if you go with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that saves some money.  I have WingX, Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both work with the NavWorX. FlyQ just turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta tested and it's way better than the original version...you wouldn't want that old version. But now you have many options.  But I would ditch the idea of ALL of those portables and definitely buy one that will make you 2020 ready that is permanently installed, no matter what brand you use.  Plus, most of those will only receive something if someone is transmitting in your very local area.

 Tim

> On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but I’m looking to get an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down what’s best for my setup.  I use an iPad for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays.  I’m not committed to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.  

> 

> In my research I’ve found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT displays.  

> 

> Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be able to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route.  That leaves the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only).  The XGPS170 is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS.  As I already have a backup I’m not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good.  The SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.  

> 

> I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?  It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is not really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.

> 

> Thanks,

> Marcus

jesse(at)saintaviation.co
Guest

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:54 pm Post subject: ADS-B Receivers

I usually install them in the tailcone for short antenna runs. 

Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

352-427-0285

jesse(at)saintaviation.com

Sent from my iPad

 	  Quote: 	
		   On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

 After doing a little more research on the NavWorx site I’m thinking that’s the way to go, I’ve got a request in to see if the EXP model will support both EFIS and iPad simultaneously.  Tim, where did you install your ADS600?  Still sorting out the antenna situation, but if I put the system behind the instrument panel then a remote antenna is likely the only option. 

 Thanks again for the info,

 Marcus

 On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

 Tim and Linn,  thanks for the quick responses!  To be honest my plan was to put off the 2020 requirement a few more years in hopes that increased production and competition would lower the prices and I may not have the RV-10 that long either.  Can’t imagine giving it up, but the needs are always changing.  I hadn’t heard of the Pathfinder and the NavWorx EXP model looks pretty good.  NavWorx seem to be quite proud of their antennas, but otherwise the price is pretty impressive and appears to be fully capable.

 Thanks again,

 Marcus

 On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:

 You are forgetting one thing in your equation.  You're going to need something later to be legal that transmits, not just receives,  most of those portables you listed will not transmit the "out" portion.  The NavWorX btw does do traffic on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or EXP model.  My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates with your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.  That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose.  I'm pretty sure the NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the ADS600-EXP may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you have the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but not sure on the iPad.  The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do it, it should be pretty cheap to do.  The ADS600B will definitely work though.  I have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring one i!

 nto my RV14 as well...both to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on the iPad.  One tip...if you go with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that saves some money.  I have WingX, Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both work with the NavWorX. FlyQ just turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta tested and it's way better than the original version...you wouldn't want that old version. But now you have many options.  But I would ditch the idea of ALL of those portables and definitely buy one that will make you 2020 ready that is permanently installed, no matter what brand you use.  Plus, most of those will only receive something if someone is transmitting in your very local area.

 Tim

> On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but I’m looking to get an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down what’s best for my setup.  I use an iPad for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays.  I’m not committed to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.  

> 

> In my research I’ve found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT displays.  

> 

> Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be able to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route.  That leaves the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only).  The XGPS170 is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS.  As I already have a backup I’m not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good.  The SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.  

> 

> I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?  It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is not really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.

> 

> Thanks,

> Marcus

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>

Bob Turner

Joined: 03 Jan 2009
Posts: 885
Location: Castro Valley, CA

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 2:13 pm Post subject: Re: ADS-B Receivers

NavWorx-EXP sends data to the GRT vis RS232, so you need to have an unused serial port on your GRT available. As a UAT it needs an external antenna.

Just be advised that Navworx is the first company that I know to tread the new ground, saying the EXP meets the requirements but does not carry a TSO.

This is apparently okay, but it doesn't mean the FAA won't ask for some sort of documentation in the future. And that burden might fall on the aircraft owner.

It wouldn't be the first time the FAA changed the rules.

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RV-10 QB

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 2:54 pm Post subject: ADS-B Receivers

That's where mine is too, next to the battery.  Just had to run some

Shielded cables to the cockpit.

Tim



 	  Quote: 	
		   On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 I usually install them in the tailcone for short antenna runs. 

 

 Jesse Saint

 Saint Aviation, Inc.

 352-427-0285

 jesse(at)saintaviation.com

 

 Sent from my iPad

 

> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> After doing a little more research on the NavWorx site I’m thinking that’s the way to go, I’ve got a request in to see if the EXP model will support both EFIS and iPad simultaneously.  Tim, where did you install your ADS600?  Still sorting out the antenna situation, but if I put the system behind the instrument panel then a remote antenna is likely the only option. 

> 

> Thanks again for the info,

> Marcus

> 

> 

> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

> 

> Tim and Linn,  thanks for the quick responses!  To be honest my plan was to put off the 2020 requirement a few more years in hopes that increased production and competition would lower the prices and I may not have the RV-10 that long either.  Can’t imagine giving it up, but the needs are always changing.  I hadn’t heard of the Pathfinder and the NavWorx EXP model looks pretty good.  NavWorx seem to be quite proud of their antennas, but otherwise the price is pretty impressive and appears to be fully capable.

> 

> Thanks again,

> Marcus

> 

> 

> On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> You are forgetting one thing in your equation.  You're going to need something later to be legal that transmits, not just receives,  most of those portables you listed will not transmit the "out" portion.  The NavWorX btw does do traffic on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or EXP model.  My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates with your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.  That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose.  I'm pretty sure the NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the ADS600-EXP may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you have the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but not sure on the iPad.  The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do it, it should be pretty cheap to do.  The ADS600B will definitely work though.  I have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring one!

  i!

> nto my RV14 as well...both to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on the iPad.  One tip...if you go with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that saves some money.  I have WingX, Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both work with the NavWorX. FlyQ just turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta tested and it's way better than the original version...you wouldn't want that old version. But now you have many options.  But I would ditch the idea of ALL of those portables and definitely buy one that will make you 2020 ready that is permanently installed, no matter what brand you use.  Plus, most of those will only receive something if someone is transmitting in your very local area.

> Tim

> 

> 

> 

>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but I’m looking to get an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down what’s best for my setup.  I use an iPad for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays.  I’m not committed to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.  

>> 

>> In my research I’ve found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT displays.  

>> 

>> Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be able to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route.  That leaves the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only).  The XGPS170 is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS.  As I already have a backup I’m not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good.  The SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.  

>> 

>> I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?  It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is not really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.

>> 

>> Thanks,

>> Marcus

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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 3:34 pm Post subject: ADS-B Receivers

The ADS-B regulatory team took a good look at the problems avionics 

manufacturers have ..... certifying each box/installation on specific 

airplane models ..... and wrote in blanket approval for GA aircraft.  

What they didn't do is address experimentals at all ..... just plain 

ignored them ..... so the FAA wrote a blanket letter that basically says 

(like the EXP below) the installation and equipment must meet the 

requirements of the TSO.



The FAA, in it's infinite wisdom, certified GPS boxes/installation which 

left out upgrades to the GPS chipset ..... so that those original 

certified GPS units are inferior to present day chip sets.  The chip set 

manufacturers have quit certifying the chip sets because of the 

repetitive costs of certification.  The rewrite of the part 23 

certification (AFAIK) is supposed to broaden the scope of certification 

and thereby bring the cost of certified boxes down.

Linn

On 8/28/2015 6:13 PM, Bob Turner wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 NavWorx-EXP sends data to the GRT vis RS232, so you need to have an unused serial port on your GRT available. As a UAT it needs an external antenna.

 Just be advised that Navworx is the first company that I know to tread the new ground, saying the EXP meets the requirements but does not carry a TSO.

 This is apparently okay, but it doesn't mean the FAA won't ask for some sort of documentation in the future. And that burden might fall on the aircraft owner.

 It wouldn't be the first time the FAA changed the rules.



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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:21 pm Post subject: ADS-B Receivers

On 8/28/2015 5:51 PM, Bob Turner wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   I already have a Garmin 420W, and an HX. So I have determined my best path to compliance is:

 Upgrade 420W software to latest version, which offers "ADSB+" output; sell my existing mode C transponder and replace it with a Trig TT-31 or TT-22, both of which can read Garmin's ADSB+ format (not sure the GRT version of the -22 is up to date but I'm sure it will be soon). I already have a Skyradar D2 installed (antennas on the fiberglass door posts, works fine) which I purchased factory overhauled for $500. It displays both on the Hx (USB) and on my iPad (wifi) running WingX, although the iPad is strictly a backup.

 I like and have used WingX even when I paid for it; as a CFI I currently get it for free which is great!


	




Bob your setup is very similar to mine:



IN:

SkyRadar with iLevil for tertiary attitude backup

WingX on an iPad for ADS-B info and attitude info via Wifi

GRT HX for ADS-B info via USB



OUT:

Trig TT22 (latest 2.7 software update that came out last month supports 

Garmin ADS-B+ protocol)

Garmin GNS480 (Apollo CNX80) for GPS position source

GRT Mini-X as the control head for the TT22 and secondary attitude backup



I just finished the software upgrade to the TT22 and it seems to work well.



-Dj



-- 

Dj Merrill - N1JOV - EAA Chapter 87

Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/

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Bob Turner

Joined: 03 Jan 2009
Posts: 885
Location: Castro Valley, CA

Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:10 pm Post subject: Re: ADS-B Receivers

 	  deej(at)deej.net wrote: 	
		  



OUT:

Trig TT22 (latest 2.7 software update that came out last month supports 

Garmin ADS-B+ protocol)



I just finished the software upgrade to the TT22 and it seems to work well.



-Dj



-- 

Dj Merrill - N1JOV - EAA Chapter 87

Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/

Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/ 	




So does the GRT set up software now offer "Garmin ADSB+" as a format option? Last time I looked it did not. Or does the TT-22 auto-detect?

_________________
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RV-10 QB

deej(at)deej.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 3:40 pm Post subject: ADS-B Receivers

On 8/29/2015 6:10 PM, Bob Turner wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   So does the GRT set up software now offer "Garmin ADSB+" as a format option? Last time I looked it did not. Or does the TT-22 auto-detect?


	




There is a beta version of the Mini software that allows you to select 

the Garmin ADS-B+ protocol for the TT22.  I don't know the release date 

but I suspect it won't bee too far off.



-Dj



-- 

Dj Merrill - N1JOV - EAA Chapter 87

Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/

Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/

cooprv7(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 5:50 pm Post subject: ADS-B Receivers

Gents,

    Thanks for all of the inputs, great information!  This, as usual, has opened up a whole can of worms for me.  What started as a simple, nice for now, addition has led to possible a full upgrade.  I have the GRT WS EFIS and EIS with TruTrack autopilot and GNS 480.  In all honest it’s a great system and meets my needs, but now that it’s pushing 9 years old and the options have significantly increased and improved I’m thinking about upgrading.  The new GRT HX looks great and would be a relatively easy upgrade.  However, I’m also looking at the Garmin G3X, Dynon Skyview and am open to any other suggestions that are similarly priced.  I’m hesitant to go down a path that would require new autopilot servos, etc as that system is working great and there’s no need to create unnecessary expenses. The goal would be to have nicer displays and incorporate ADS-B in/out so the new EFIS as well as an appropriate transponder and receiver would be necessary.  The GRT HX and Trig TT22 look good, as does the NavWorx 600EXP.  Just wondering what other options folks are using or other considerations?



Thanks again,

Marcus



 	  Quote: 	
		   On Aug 29, 2015, at 7:51 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 That's where mine is too, next to the battery.  Just had to run some

 Shielded cables to the cockpit.

 Tim

 

 

 

> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> I usually install them in the tailcone for short antenna runs. 

> 

> Jesse Saint

> Saint Aviation, Inc.

> 352-427-0285

> jesse(at)saintaviation.com

> 

> Sent from my iPad

> 

>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> After doing a little more research on the NavWorx site I’m thinking that’s the way to go, I’ve got a request in to see if the EXP model will support both EFIS and iPad simultaneously.  Tim, where did you install your ADS600?  Still sorting out the antenna situation, but if I put the system behind the instrument panel then a remote antenna is likely the only option. 

>> 

>> Thanks again for the info,

>> Marcus

>> 

>> 

>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

>> 

>> Tim and Linn,  thanks for the quick responses!  To be honest my plan was to put off the 2020 requirement a few more years in hopes that increased production and competition would lower the prices and I may not have the RV-10 that long either.  Can’t imagine giving it up, but the needs are always changing.  I hadn’t heard of the Pathfinder and the NavWorx EXP model looks pretty good.  NavWorx seem to be quite proud of their antennas, but otherwise the price is pretty impressive and appears to be fully capable.

>> 

>> Thanks again,

>> Marcus

>> 

>> 

>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> You are forgetting one thing in your equation.  You're going to need something later to be legal that transmits, not just receives,  most of those portables you listed will not transmit the "out" portion.  The NavWorX btw does do traffic on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or EXP model.  My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates with your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.  That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose.  I'm pretty sure the NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the ADS600-EXP may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you have the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but not sure on the iPad.  The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do it, it should be pretty cheap to do.  The ADS600B will definitely work though.  I have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring on!

 e!

> i!

>> nto my RV14 as well...both to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on the iPad.  One tip...if you go with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that saves some money.  I have WingX, Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both work with the NavWorX. FlyQ just turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta tested and it's way better than the original version...you wouldn't want that old version. But now you have many options.  But I would ditch the idea of ALL of those portables and definitely buy one that will make you 2020 ready that is permanently installed, no matter what brand you use.  Plus, most of those will only receive something if someone is transmitting in your very local area.

>> Tim

>> 

>> 

>> 

>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but I’m looking to get an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down what’s best for my setup.  I use an iPad for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays.  I’m not committed to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.  

>>> 

>>> In my research I’ve found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT displays.  

>>> 

>>> Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be able to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route.  That leaves the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only).  The XGPS170 is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS.  As I already have a backup I’m not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good.  The SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.  

>>> 

>>> I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?  It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is not really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.

>>> 

>>> Thanks,

>>> Marcus

> 

> 

> 

> 

>

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 7:13 pm Post subject: ADS-B Receivers

Not that this will be the way you should go if you're considering other upgrades, but, seeing that you have a 480 in your panel, if you get the full Non-EXP model of NavWorX, you could also interface it to that, so you'd have EFIS, GPS, and iPad options.  That said, if you do switch to the G3X that's a nice system and if you do that, you should get all the accessories from Garmin too.  Do check on the database costs though. I am not sure what they run, and I've heard that they can be "cheaper" in a bundle but the may not be the same as what you're used to today.  You've got a lot of variables to consider, and a lot of good options on how to get ADS-B in your panel.  Personally, for WX, I think you can't beat satellite, but for traffic, I think everyone should be rushing to get EFIS integrated traffic ASAP, because the more that outfit with it the better it all works.

Tim



 	  Quote: 	
		   On Aug 30, 2015, at 8:47 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 Gents,

    Thanks for all of the inputs, great information!  This, as usual, has opened up a whole can of worms for me.  What started as a simple, nice for now, addition has led to possible a full upgrade.  I have the GRT WS EFIS and EIS with TruTrack autopilot and GNS 480.  In all honest it’s a great system and meets my needs, but now that it’s pushing 9 years old and the options have significantly increased and improved I’m thinking about upgrading.  The new GRT HX looks great and would be a relatively easy upgrade.  However, I’m also looking at the Garmin G3X, Dynon Skyview and am open to any other suggestions that are similarly priced.  I’m hesitant to go down a path that would require new autopilot servos, etc as that system is working great and there’s no need to create unnecessary expenses. The goal would be to have nicer displays and incorporate ADS-B in/out so the new EFIS as well as an appropriate transponder and receiver would be necessary.  The GRT HX and Tr!

 ig TT22 look good, as does the NavWorx 600EXP.  Just wondering what other options folks are using or other considerations?

 

 Thanks again,

 Marcus

 

> On Aug 29, 2015, at 7:51 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> That's where mine is too, next to the battery.  Just had to run some

> Shielded cables to the cockpit.

> Tim

> 

> 

> 

>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> wrote:

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I usually install them in the tailcone for short antenna runs. 

>> 

>> Jesse Saint

>> Saint Aviation, Inc.

>> 352-427-0285

>> jesse(at)saintaviation.com

>> 

>> Sent from my iPad

>> 

>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> After doing a little more research on the NavWorx site I’m thinking that’s the way to go, I’ve got a request in to see if the EXP model will support both EFIS and iPad simultaneously.  Tim, where did you install your ADS600?  Still sorting out the antenna situation, but if I put the system behind the instrument panel then a remote antenna is likely the only option. 

>>> 

>>> Thanks again for the info,

>>> Marcus

>>> 

>>> 

>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

>>> 

>>> Tim and Linn,  thanks for the quick responses!  To be honest my plan was to put off the 2020 requirement a few more years in hopes that increased production and competition would lower the prices and I may not have the RV-10 that long either.  Can’t imagine giving it up, but the needs are always changing.  I hadn’t heard of the Pathfinder and the NavWorx EXP model looks pretty good.  NavWorx seem to be quite proud of their antennas, but otherwise the price is pretty impressive and appears to be fully capable.

>>> 

>>> Thanks again,

>>> Marcus

>>> 

>>> 

>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> You are forgetting one thing in your equation.  You're going to need something later to be legal that transmits, not just receives,  most of those portables you listed will not transmit the "out" portion.  The NavWorX btw does do traffic on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or EXP model.  My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates with your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.  That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose.  I'm pretty sure the NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the ADS600-EXP may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you have the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but not sure on the iPad.  The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do it, it should be pretty cheap to do.  The ADS600B will definitely work though.  I have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring o!

 n!

> e!

>> i!

>>> nto my RV14 as well...both to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on the iPad.  One tip...if you go with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that saves some money.  I have WingX, Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both work with the NavWorX. FlyQ just turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta tested and it's way better than the original version...you wouldn't want that old version. But now you have many options.  But I would ditch the idea of ALL of those portables and definitely buy one that will make you 2020 ready that is permanently installed, no matter what brand you use.  Plus, most of those will only receive something if someone is transmitting in your very local area.

>>> Tim

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but I’m looking to get an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down what’s best for my setup.  I use an iPad for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays.  I’m not committed to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.  

>>>> 

>>>> In my research I’ve found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT displays.  

>>>> 

>>>> Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be able to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route.  That leaves the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only).  The XGPS170 is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS.  As I already have a backup I’m not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good.  The SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.  

>>>> 

>>>> I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?  It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is not really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.

>>>> 

>>>> Thanks,

>>>> Marcus

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>

rleffler

Joined: 05 Nov 2006
Posts: 680

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:21 am Post subject: ADS-B Receivers

Marcus,



Both Skyview and AFS EFIS will work with Trutrak servos and autopilot.   AFS has better integration than Skyview, but the extent on integration will depend on which AP head you have.



I know at least one RV-10 that has Skyview and a Trutrak Vizion installed.  He also has a 480. There quite a few RV-10s with AFS with the AFS Pilot AP (including me) which is a Trutrak head with slightly different firmware for better integration.   I'm also aware of folks that have a Sorcerer with their AFS EFIS, but the integration is not as complete.



Bob



Sent from my iPad



 	  Quote: 	
		   On Aug 30, 2015, at 9:47 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 Gents,

    Thanks for all of the inputs, great information!  This, as usual, has opened up a whole can of worms for me.  What started as a simple, nice for now, addition has led to possible a full upgrade.  I have the GRT WS EFIS and EIS with TruTrack autopilot and GNS 480.  In all honest it’s a great system and meets my needs, but now that it’s pushing 9 years old and the options have significantly increased and improved I’m thinking about upgrading.  The new GRT HX looks great and would be a relatively easy upgrade.  However, I’m also looking at the Garmin G3X, Dynon Skyview and am open to any other suggestions that are similarly priced.  I’m hesitant to go down a path that would require new autopilot servos, etc as that system is working great and there’s no need to create unnecessary expenses. The goal would be to have nicer displays and incorporate ADS-B in/out so the new EFIS as well as an appropriate transponder and receiver would be necessary.  The GRT HX and Tr!

 ig TT22 look good, as does the NavWorx 600EXP.  Just wondering what other options folks are using or other considerations?

 

 Thanks again,

 Marcus

 

> On Aug 29, 2015, at 7:51 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> That's where mine is too, next to the battery.  Just had to run some

> Shielded cables to the cockpit.

> Tim

> 

> 

> 

>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> wrote:

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I usually install them in the tailcone for short antenna runs. 

>> 

>> Jesse Saint

>> Saint Aviation, Inc.

>> 352-427-0285

>> jesse(at)saintaviation.com

>> 

>> Sent from my iPad

>> 

>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> After doing a little more research on the NavWorx site I’m thinking that’s the way to go, I’ve got a request in to see if the EXP model will support both EFIS and iPad simultaneously.  Tim, where did you install your ADS600?  Still sorting out the antenna situation, but if I put the system behind the instrument panel then a remote antenna is likely the only option. 

>>> 

>>> Thanks again for the info,

>>> Marcus

>>> 

>>> 

>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

>>> 

>>> Tim and Linn,  thanks for the quick responses!  To be honest my plan was to put off the 2020 requirement a few more years in hopes that increased production and competition would lower the prices and I may not have the RV-10 that long either.  Can’t imagine giving it up, but the needs are always changing.  I hadn’t heard of the Pathfinder and the NavWorx EXP model looks pretty good.  NavWorx seem to be quite proud of their antennas, but otherwise the price is pretty impressive and appears to be fully capable.

>>> 

>>> Thanks again,

>>> Marcus

>>> 

>>> 

>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> You are forgetting one thing in your equation.  You're going to need something later to be legal that transmits, not just receives,  most of those portables you listed will not transmit the "out" portion.  The NavWorX btw does do traffic on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or EXP model.  My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates with your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.  That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose.  I'm pretty sure the NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the ADS600-EXP may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you have the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but not sure on the iPad.  The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do it, it should be pretty cheap to do.  The ADS600B will definitely work though.  I have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring o!

 n!

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>>> nto my RV14 as well...both to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on the iPad.  One tip...if you go with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that saves some money.  I have WingX, Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both work with the NavWorX. FlyQ just turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta tested and it's way better than the original version...you wouldn't want that old version. But now you have many options.  But I would ditch the idea of ALL of those portables and definitely buy one that will make you 2020 ready that is permanently installed, no matter what brand you use.  Plus, most of those will only receive something if someone is transmitting in your very local area.

>>> Tim

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>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

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>>>> I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but I’m looking to get an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down what’s best for my setup.  I use an iPad for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays.  I’m not committed to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.  

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>>>> In my research I’ve found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT displays.  

>>>> 

>>>> Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be able to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route.  That leaves the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only).  The XGPS170 is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS.  As I already have a backup I’m not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good.  The SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.  

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>>>> I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?  It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is not really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.

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>>>> Thanks,

>>>> Marcus

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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 3:49 am Post subject: ADS-B Receivers

I was in the same boat.  I went the HX and Navworx route.  Has worked great and required very little work.  In my case, I did it over time....unit a year for a couple of years (3) (replaced my backup blue mountain unit).  It is a plug and play for the screens, except they are a little bigger and require the panel to be reworked a little.



Rene'

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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 7:05 am Post subject: ADS-B Receivers

Marcus,



If you are like me, you want the biggest bang for the buck and you want whatever you get to work and have superb after the sale service.  I'll assume the following:

- You are not looking to upgrade the GNS-480, as such you retain the as is IFR GPS capability but do not have an ADS-B out compliant device.

- The Grand Rapids EIS is a very nice stand alone engine monitor so it need not be replaced.

- No matter what you need to buy a replacement XPDR.



I offer that it is not preferable to have anything other than an integrated EFIS display that has moving map, TIS and ADS-B traffic and weather.  TIS still is a great way to fill in traffic that is not ADSB out capable. 



Using these assumptions there are now several options to examine.  I have been flying with the Dynon SkyView for three years and recommend it for the following reasons:

- Plug and play - and it all works.

- Free for life aviation data base updates.

- Behind the panel Mode S transponder that is significantly less expensive than the other options.  The transponder provides TIS information for display on the SkyView EFIS.

- Full 2020 ADS-B in/out compliance using their new SkyView SV-GPS-2020 receiver (thus no need to give Garmin a wheelbarrow full of money to upgrade or replace the GNS-480) and you end up with two independent GPS receivers.

- No need to replace the TruTrack autopilot

- No need to replace the Grand Rapids EIS

- My experience with Dynon puts them at the top of the list for after the sale service.  The exact opposite is true for Garmin.

- If you take the additional step of using the Dynon heated pitot you get a very nice AOA indicator.  I find the AOA audio warning of most value.

- Add the $99/year subscription to Seattle Avionics and you get up to date geo-referenced approach plates, airport diagrams, IFR and VFR charts.

- Add the $35 WiFi plug in and now your back seat passengers get the ADAHRS feed to drive ForeFlight on their iPads, and you get electronic flight planning transfer between the iPad and the SkyView.



Another option is to keep one of your existing GRT EFIS displays and only get one Dynon SkyView display for the pilot side of the panel.  Option to get a second SkyView display can be decided down the road.



Carl



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