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I am nearing completion of my Mk3 rebuild. I would like information on how to install limit stops on the elevator up and elevator down positions. I don't see this in the manual that came with my used Mark3. See attachments. A down stop is installed but needs modification; however I see no up stops at all. An up stop is needed because the controls stick hits the seat. Your input, especially photos, are appreciated.
Thanks,
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| Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 7:22 am Post subject: Elevator Stops on Mark III |
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Dee, Is yours an early Mk III? Is there a serial number on the aft end of the engine mount tube? I ask because the bell crank to which the elevator cables are attached is not the latest version. Is the cable that appears in this picture: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1190_880.jpg the trim cable? Does it run all the back to the elevator bell crank at the elevator?
Rick Girard
PS If that is a paper fuel filter you ought to consider replacing it with one that has a synthetic element. Rotax has a service bulletin that recommends against using paper elements. If you get ethanol gas there is a possibility that water held in suspension by the ethanol can saturate paper element and effectively block the flow of fuel.
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I am nearing completion of my Mk3 rebuild. I would like information on how to install limit stops on the elevator up and elevator down positions. I don't see this in the manual that came with my used Mark3. See attachments. A down stop is installed but needs modification; however I see no up stops at all. An up stop is needed because the controls stick hits the seat. Your input, especially photos, are appreciated.
Thanks,
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Yes, it’s a early (old) Mk3. There’s no SN on the aft end of the engine mount tube. There are two cables shown in the photo. The one in the foreground (the one out of focus) is one of the rudder cables. The other cable (with the plastic sleeve) is the trim cable that goes all the way back do the elevator horn. Dee LeBlanc
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Dee, Is yours an early Mk III? Is there a serial number on the aft end of the engine mount tube? I ask because the bell crank to which the elevator cables are attached is not the latest version. Is the cable that appears in this picture: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1190_880.jpg the trim cable? Does it run all the back to the elevator bell crank at the elevator?
Rick Girard
PS If that is a paper fuel filter you ought to consider replacing it with one that has a synthetic element. Rotax has a service bulletin that recommends against using paper elements. If you get ethanol gas there is a possibility that water held in suspension by the ethanol can saturate paper element and effectively block the flow of fuel.
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Dee, What I don't see is how the trim system is set up. This is why I asked about the foreground cable. When I got my Mk III the trim cable ran all the way back to the elevator and then back up to the bell crank. The result was that when you pulled trim, the rudder cable went slack and banged around in the boom tube. It really made for some crappy control harmony. I could pull back on the stick and nothing happened. I just had to feel my way around until the elevator cable became tight again. I created a fix that approximates the current factory bell crank and I've attached a photo of it.
In honor of my departed friend Jeff Johnson, the tang used to create the trim link was off Jeff's EipperFormance FlexiFlier.
Hope this helps a bit.
Rick
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Dee LeBlanc <leblancds(at)cox.net (leblancds(at)cox.net)> wrote:
| Quote: | Yes, it’s a early (old) Mk3. There’s no SN on the aft end of the engine mount tube. There are two cables shown in the photo. The one in the foreground (the one out of focus) is one of the rudder cables. The other cable (with the plastic sleeve) is the trim cable that goes all the way back do the elevator horn.
Dee LeBlanc
leblancds(at)cox.net (leblancds(at)cox.net)
cell [url=tel:225-802-1038]225-802-1038[/url]
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| Quote: | On Sep 24, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
Dee, Is yours an early Mk III? Is there a serial number on the aft end of the engine mount tube? I ask because the bell crank to which the elevator cables are attached is not the latest version. Is the cable that appears in this picture: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1190_880.jpg the trim cable? Does it run all the back to the elevator bell crank at the elevator?
Rick Girard
PS If that is a paper fuel filter you ought to consider replacing it with one that has a synthetic element. Rotax has a service bulletin that recommends against using paper elements. If you get ethanol gas there is a possibility that water held in suspension by the ethanol can saturate paper element and effectively block the flow of fuel.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 12:22 pm Post subject: Elevator Stops on Mark III |
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Hey Rick, thanks for your response. Sounds like my elevator trim is set up similar to yours; i.e. the springed trim cable goes all the way back to the elevator up control horn (this is independent from the rudder cables). I'm simply looking for a good installation for an elevator up stop. Control stick hitting the seat as mine does is not the best arrangement.
Thanks for your insight, Dee LeBlanc
leblancds(at)cox.net (leblancds(at)cox.net)
cell 225-802-1038
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| Quote: | On Sep 25, 2015, at 10:46 AM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
Dee, What I don't see is how the trim system is set up. This is why I asked about the foreground cable. When I got my Mk III the trim cable ran all the way back to the elevator and then back up to the bell crank. The result was that when you pulled trim, the rudder cable went slack and banged around in the boom tube. It really made for some crappy control harmony. I could pull back on the stick and nothing happened. I just had to feel my way around until the elevator cable became tight again. I created a fix that approximates the current factory bell crank and I've attached a photo of it.
In honor of my departed friend Jeff Johnson, the tang used to create the trim link was off Jeff's EipperFormance FlexiFlier.
Hope this helps a bit.
Rick
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Dee LeBlanc <leblancds(at)cox.net (leblancds(at)cox.net)> wrote: | Quote: | Yes, it’s a early (old) Mk3. There’s no SN on the aft end of the engine mount tube. There are two cables shown in the photo. The one in the foreground (the one out of focus) is one of the rudder cables. The other cable (with the plastic sleeve) is the trim cable that goes all the way back do the elevator horn. Dee LeBlanc
leblancds(at)cox.net (leblancds(at)cox.net)
cell [url=tel:225-802-1038]225-802-1038[/url]
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| Quote: | On Sep 24, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
Dee, Is yours an early Mk III? Is there a serial number on the aft end of the engine mount tube? I ask because the bell crank to which the elevator cables are attached is not the latest version. Is the cable that appears in this picture: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1190_880.jpg the trim cable? Does it run all the back to the elevator bell crank at the elevator?
Rick Girard
PS If that is a paper fuel filter you ought to consider replacing it with one that has a synthetic element. Rotax has a service bulletin that recommends against using paper elements. If you get ethanol gas there is a possibility that water held in suspension by the ethanol can saturate paper element and effectively block the flow of fuel.
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 9:06 PM, Dee One <leblancds(at)cox.net (leblancds(at)cox.net)> wrote:
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| Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:43 pm Post subject: Elevator Stops on Mark III |
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Dee, Just don't short change yourself on up elevator. I flew a Mk IIIX at 1280 lb once and I had about 1/4" between the stick and the forward seat bar just to maintain straight and level.
Rick
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Dee LeBlanc <leblancds(at)cox.net (leblancds(at)cox.net)> wrote:
| Quote: | Hey Rick, thanks for your response. Sounds like my elevator trim is set up similar to yours; i.e. the springed trim cable goes all the way back to the elevator up control horn (this is independent from the rudder cables). I'm simply looking for a good installation for an elevator up stop. Control stick hitting the seat as mine does is not the best arrangement.
Thanks for your insight,
Dee LeBlanc
leblancds(at)cox.net (leblancds(at)cox.net)
cell [url=tel:225-802-1038]225-802-1038[/url]
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The Future is a Mystery
Today is a Gift
That’s Why They Call it the Present
| Quote: | On Sep 25, 2015, at 10:46 AM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
Dee, What I don't see is how the trim system is set up. This is why I asked about the foreground cable. When I got my Mk III the trim cable ran all the way back to the elevator and then back up to the bell crank. The result was that when you pulled trim, the rudder cable went slack and banged around in the boom tube. It really made for some crappy control harmony. I could pull back on the stick and nothing happened. I just had to feel my way around until the elevator cable became tight again. I created a fix that approximates the current factory bell crank and I've attached a photo of it.
In honor of my departed friend Jeff Johnson, the tang used to create the trim link was off Jeff's EipperFormance FlexiFlier.
Hope this helps a bit.
Rick
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Dee LeBlanc <leblancds(at)cox.net (leblancds(at)cox.net)> wrote:
| Quote: | Yes, it’s a early (old) Mk3. There’s no SN on the aft end of the engine mount tube. There are two cables shown in the photo. The one in the foreground (the one out of focus) is one of the rudder cables. The other cable (with the plastic sleeve) is the trim cable that goes all the way back do the elevator horn.
Dee LeBlanc
leblancds(at)cox.net (leblancds(at)cox.net)
cell [url=tel:225-802-1038]225-802-1038[/url]
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The Past is History
The Future is a Mystery
Today is a Gift
That’s Why They Call it the Present
| Quote: | On Sep 24, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
Dee, Is yours an early Mk III? Is there a serial number on the aft end of the engine mount tube? I ask because the bell crank to which the elevator cables are attached is not the latest version. Is the cable that appears in this picture: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1190_880.jpg the trim cable? Does it run all the back to the elevator bell crank at the elevator?
Rick Girard
PS If that is a paper fuel filter you ought to consider replacing it with one that has a synthetic element. Rotax has a service bulletin that recommends against using paper elements. If you get ethanol gas there is a possibility that water held in suspension by the ethanol can saturate paper element and effectively block the flow of fuel.
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 9:06 PM, Dee One <leblancds(at)cox.net (leblancds(at)cox.net)> wrote:
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| Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 2:43 pm Post subject: Elevator Stops on Mark III |
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RightO Rick, my salient need for a elevator stop is because the pivot bolt on the controls dick jams up against the forwards seat rivets; thereby preventing unobstructed aileron control. By the way, do you know how many degrees up and down elevator travel the Mark III is supposed to get? Mine gets 30° up and 25° down before the elevator bell crank starts hitting the aft end of the boom. Dee LeBlanc
leblancds(at)cox.net (leblancds(at)cox.net)
cell 225-802-1038
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| Quote: | On Sep 25, 2015, at 3:22 PM, Dee LeBlanc <leblancds(at)cox.net (leblancds(at)cox.net)> wrote:
Hey Rick, thanks for your response. Sounds like my elevator trim is set up similar to yours; i.e. the springed trim cable goes all the way back to the elevator up control horn (this is independent from the rudder cables). I'm simply looking for a good installation for an elevator up stop. Control stick hitting the seat as mine does is not the best arrangement.
Thanks for your insight, Dee LeBlanc
leblancds(at)cox.net (leblancds(at)cox.net)
cell 225-802-1038
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The Past is History
The Future is a Mystery
Today is a Gift
That’s Why They Call it the Present
| Quote: | On Sep 25, 2015, at 10:46 AM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
Dee, What I don't see is how the trim system is set up. This is why I asked about the foreground cable. When I got my Mk III the trim cable ran all the way back to the elevator and then back up to the bell crank. The result was that when you pulled trim, the rudder cable went slack and banged around in the boom tube. It really made for some crappy control harmony. I could pull back on the stick and nothing happened. I just had to feel my way around until the elevator cable became tight again. I created a fix that approximates the current factory bell crank and I've attached a photo of it.
In honor of my departed friend Jeff Johnson, the tang used to create the trim link was off Jeff's EipperFormance FlexiFlier.
Hope this helps a bit.
Rick
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Dee LeBlanc <leblancds(at)cox.net (leblancds(at)cox.net)> wrote: | Quote: | Yes, it’s a early (old) Mk3. There’s no SN on the aft end of the engine mount tube. There are two cables shown in the photo. The one in the foreground (the one out of focus) is one of the rudder cables. The other cable (with the plastic sleeve) is the trim cable that goes all the way back do the elevator horn. Dee LeBlanc
leblancds(at)cox.net (leblancds(at)cox.net)
cell [url=tel:225-802-1038]225-802-1038[/url]
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The Past is History
The Future is a Mystery
Today is a Gift
That’s Why They Call it the Present
| Quote: | On Sep 24, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
Dee, Is yours an early Mk III? Is there a serial number on the aft end of the engine mount tube? I ask because the bell crank to which the elevator cables are attached is not the latest version. Is the cable that appears in this picture: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1190_880.jpg the trim cable? Does it run all the back to the elevator bell crank at the elevator?
Rick Girard
PS If that is a paper fuel filter you ought to consider replacing it with one that has a synthetic element. Rotax has a service bulletin that recommends against using paper elements. If you get ethanol gas there is a possibility that water held in suspension by the ethanol can saturate paper element and effectively block the flow of fuel.
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 9:06 PM, Dee One <leblancds(at)cox.net (leblancds(at)cox.net)> wrote:
-- “Blessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.” Groucho Marx
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| Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 1:05 pm Post subject: Elevator Stops on Mark III |
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Dee, Off the top of my head I'd say +/- 25 degrees sounds about right. After everything settles down later tonight I'll get out my Mk III drawing set and see if it's spec'd there.
Rick
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Dee LeBlanc <leblancds(at)cox.net (leblancds(at)cox.net)> wrote:
| Quote: | RightO Rick, my salient need for a elevator stop is because the pivot bolt on the controls dick jams up against the forwards seat rivets; thereby preventing unobstructed aileron control. By the way, do you know how many degrees up and down elevator travel the Mark III is supposed to get? Mine gets 30° up and 25° down before the elevator bell crank starts hitting the aft end of the boom.
Dee LeBlanc
leblancds(at)cox.net (leblancds(at)cox.net)
cell [url=tel:225-802-1038]225-802-1038[/url]
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The Future is a Mystery
Today is a Gift
That’s Why They Call it the Present
| Quote: | On Sep 25, 2015, at 3:22 PM, Dee LeBlanc <leblancds(at)cox.net (leblancds(at)cox.net)> wrote:
Hey Rick, thanks for your response. Sounds like my elevator trim is set up similar to yours; i.e. the springed trim cable goes all the way back to the elevator up control horn (this is independent from the rudder cables). I'm simply looking for a good installation for an elevator up stop. Control stick hitting the seat as mine does is not the best arrangement.
Thanks for your insight,
Dee LeBlanc
leblancds(at)cox.net (leblancds(at)cox.net)
cell [url=tel:225-802-1038]225-802-1038[/url]
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Past is History
The Future is a Mystery
Today is a Gift
That’s Why They Call it the Present
| Quote: | On Sep 25, 2015, at 10:46 AM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
Dee, What I don't see is how the trim system is set up. This is why I asked about the foreground cable. When I got my Mk III the trim cable ran all the way back to the elevator and then back up to the bell crank. The result was that when you pulled trim, the rudder cable went slack and banged around in the boom tube. It really made for some crappy control harmony. I could pull back on the stick and nothing happened. I just had to feel my way around until the elevator cable became tight again. I created a fix that approximates the current factory bell crank and I've attached a photo of it.
In honor of my departed friend Jeff Johnson, the tang used to create the trim link was off Jeff's EipperFormance FlexiFlier.
Hope this helps a bit.
Rick
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Dee LeBlanc <leblancds(at)cox.net (leblancds(at)cox.net)> wrote:
| Quote: | Yes, it’s a early (old) Mk3. There’s no SN on the aft end of the engine mount tube. There are two cables shown in the photo. The one in the foreground (the one out of focus) is one of the rudder cables. The other cable (with the plastic sleeve) is the trim cable that goes all the way back do the elevator horn.
Dee LeBlanc
leblancds(at)cox.net (leblancds(at)cox.net)
cell [url=tel:225-802-1038]225-802-1038[/url]
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The Past is History
The Future is a Mystery
Today is a Gift
That’s Why They Call it the Present
| Quote: | On Sep 24, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
Dee, Is yours an early Mk III? Is there a serial number on the aft end of the engine mount tube? I ask because the bell crank to which the elevator cables are attached is not the latest version. Is the cable that appears in this picture: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1190_880.jpg the trim cable? Does it run all the back to the elevator bell crank at the elevator?
Rick Girard
PS If that is a paper fuel filter you ought to consider replacing it with one that has a synthetic element. Rotax has a service bulletin that recommends against using paper elements. If you get ethanol gas there is a possibility that water held in suspension by the ethanol can saturate paper element and effectively block the flow of fuel.
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 9:06 PM, Dee One <leblancds(at)cox.net (leblancds(at)cox.net)> wrote:
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“Blessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.” Groucho Marx
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