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rocknpilot(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:33 am Post subject: Oil Tank / Engine Heater

Hi, Redstars! 



  

Well, our 3 weeks of Summer flew by (pun intended!) quickly in WI and I am now faced with the dismal prospect of a multi-month "no fly zone" due to ridiculously impending cold weather and harsh climate. Can anyone offer advice on engine / oil pre-heat for  a Yak 52? I've done some propane ducted-heat experimentation and have seen limited / marginal success. I would really like a dependable method so I can maintain my "chops" over the Winter months. If anyone has any solid advice / experience and / or if anyone  has a system for sale, or feels confident in directing me to someone offering one, please talk to me. I think we can keep this topic "on-list" as it may be of interest to other pilots...? 



  

Thank you in advance - and 'hoping this finds you all healthy, happy and thriving! 



  Rico Jaeger

 915 S. 11th Ave.                  

 Wausau, WI. 54401     

 715.529.7426                    

                                                                     //

 1966 Cessna 150F                            ^/---//-X

 N8558G                                                  // Hangar #35 / AUW

                                                   //               

 1992 Yakovlev Yak 52    ^/---//-X

 N21YK                                   //

 Hangar #21 / AUW

                                           

 

 

 

 

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cjpilot710(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:51 pm Post subject: Oil Tank / Engine Heater

Jaeger, (German for 'hunter', I think)

  

 I seen (but never had to use) electric heating pads and oil dip  sticks.  I've seen pad pasted not only to sides of the oil tank but to the  oil sump as well.  One can buy electric oil tank emersion heater  elements.   Another cheap way is infrared lamps placed under the cowl  with a large blanket drape over the entire cowling to keep the heat  in.  When I lived in CT, I kept two 100w light bulbs under the cowling  of my Pitts with a blanket draped over the cowl in the winter (Not that I flew  it that much in the winter).  Or you could do like a lot Alaskans  do.  Drain the oil in large bucket and take it home to keep it  warm.  Simply it pour back in the tank when you're ready to  fly.

  

 I personally believe I'd look for a way to heat not just the oil but the  engine it self at the same time.  It not good to get cold metal to moving  with all the contraction of the cold in it parts.

  

 Jim "Pappy" Goolsby

 PS  Its WHY I live in Florida BTW.

  

  In a message dated 10/9/2015 4:20:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  rocknpilot(at)hotmail.com writes:

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Hi, Redstars!   



   

Well, our 3 weeks of Summer flew by (pun intended!) quickly in WI and    I am now faced with the dismal prospect of a multi-month "no fly zone" due to    ridiculously impending cold weather and harsh climate. Can anyone offer    advice on engine / oil pre-heat for a Yak 52? I've done some propane    ducted-heat experimentation and have seen limited / marginal success. I would    really like a dependable method so I can maintain my "chops" over the Winter    months. If anyone has any solid advice / experience and / or if anyone has a    system for sale, or feels confident in directing me to someone offering one,    please talk to me. I think we can keep this topic "on-list" as it may be of    interest to other pilots...?   



   

Thank you in advance - and 'hoping this finds you all healthy, happy    and thriving!   



   Rico Jaeger

915 S. 11th Ave.                     

Wausau, WI. 54401        

715.529.7426                       

                                                                             //

1966 Cessna    150F                               ^/---//-X

N8558G                                                        //    Hangar #35 / AUW

                                                           //                  

1992 Yakovlev Yak 52    ^/---//-X

N21YK                                         //

   Hangar #21 /    AUW

                                          





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flying(at)jeffhove.com
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:47 pm Post subject: Oil Tank / Engine Heater

Rico,



The owner of EZ-Heat <http://e-zheat.com/store/> is also a Yak-52 owner 

and has electric heat pads that perfectly fit the Yak's oil tank, sump, 

and oil cooler (don't forget about the cold oil there at the end of six 

foot long oil lines!).  The kits are complete and easy to install (just 

be sure to thoroughly sand and clean the areas the pads adhere to).



He is also a neighbor of yours based in Chetek, WI.   Go tour the 

factory right on the airport.



This warms everything gently without introducing a lot of water vapor or 

exhaust fumes like combustion pre-heaters and is safe to leave 

unattended.   Add a cell-phone controlled GSM relay system 

<http://relaysupply.com/gsm-relays/gsm-auto-high-amperage-remote-control-device-2-x-relays-ac-100-240v-powered.html/>, 

and you can start the pre-heat the night before fly so it is already 

warm when you get to the hangar.



Jeff Hove

Lake Elmo, MN

Cessna 150F N8353G

RV-7A N347RV

Yak-52 NX52BS



On 10/9/2015 2:28 PM, Rico Jaeger wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

 Hi, Redstars!

 Well, our 3 weeks of Summer flew by (pun intended!) quickly in WI and 

 I am now faced with the dismal prospect of a multi-month "no fly zone" 

 due to ridiculously impending cold weather and harsh climate. Can 

 anyone offer advice on engine / oil pre-heat for a Yak 52? I've done 

 some propane ducted-heat experimentation and have seen limited / 

 marginal success. I would really like a dependable method so I can 

 maintain my "chops" over the Winter months. If anyone has any solid 

 advice / experience and / or if anyone has a system for sale, or feels 

 confident in directing me to someone offering one, please talk to me. 

 I think we can keep this topic "on-list" as it may be of interest to 

 other pilots...?

 Thank you in advance - and 'hoping this finds you all healthy, happy 

 and thriving!

 Rico Jaeger

 915 S. 11th Ave.

 Wausau, WI. 54401

 715.529.7426

       //

 1966 Cessna 150F                            ^/---//-X

 N8558G                                                  //

 Hangar #35 / AUW

 //

 1992 Yakovlev Yak 52    ^/---//-X

 N21YK                                   //

 Hangar #21 / AUW

 http://www.matronics.com/contribution

rocknpilot(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 8:36 pm Post subject: Oil Tank / Engine Heater

Thanks, Jeff! Most helpful!



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From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com> on behalf of Jeff Hove <flying(at)jeffhove.com>

Sent: Friday, October 9, 2015 10:44 PM

To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Oil Tank / Engine Heater






Rico,



The owner of EZ-Heat <http://e-zheat.com/store/> is also a Yak-52 owner

and has electric heat pads that perfectly fit the Yak's oil tank, sump,

and oil cooler (don't forget about the cold oil there at the end of six

foot long oil lines!).  The kits are complete and easy to install (just

be sure to thoroughly sand and clean the areas the pads adhere to).



He is also a neighbor of yours based in Chetek, WI.   Go tour the

factory right on the airport.



This warms everything gently without introducing a lot of water vapor or

exhaust fumes like combustion pre-heaters and is safe to leave

unattended.   Add a cell-phone controlled GSM relay system

<http://relaysupply.com/gsm-relays/gsm-auto-high-amperage-remote-control-device-2-x-relays-ac-100-240v-powered.html/>,

and you can start the pre-heat the night before fly so it is already

warm when you get to the hangar.



Jeff Hove

Lake Elmo, MN

Cessna 150F N8353G

RV-7A N347RV

Yak-52 NX52BS



On 10/9/2015 2:28 PM, Rico Jaeger wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

 Hi, Redstars!

 Well, our 3 weeks of Summer flew by (pun intended!) quickly in WI and

 I am now faced with the dismal prospect of a multi-month "no fly zone"

 due to ridiculously impending cold weather and harsh climate. Can

 anyone offer advice on engine / oil pre-heat for a Yak 52? I've done

 some propane ducted-heat experimentation and have seen limited /

 marginal success. I would really like a dependable method so I can

 maintain my "chops" over the Winter months. If anyone has any solid

 advice / experience and / or if anyone has a system for sale, or feels

 confident in directing me to someone offering one, please talk to me.

 I think we can keep this topic "on-list" as it may be of interest to

 other pilots...?

 Thank you in advance - and 'hoping this finds you all healthy, happy

 and thriving!

 Rico Jaeger

 915 S. 11th Ave.

 Wausau, WI. 54401

 715.529.7426

       //

 1966 Cessna 150F                            ^/---//-X

 N8558G                                                  //

 Hangar #35 / AUW

 //

 1992 Yakovlev Yak 52    ^/---//-X

 N21YK                                   //

 Hangar #21 / AUW

 http://www.matronics.com/contribution

richard.goode(at)russiana
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:25 am Post subject: Oil Tank / Engine Heater

It is worth noting that the original Russian instructions say that if the M 14 P is not going to be used for only a week, then it should have short-term conservation, to prevent internal corrosion on an engine that has been used and so has combustion by-products in the engine. If you are leaving the engine for an entire winter, it should have full conservation. Of course they were incredibly conservative, but I pass this on for what it is worth!

 

Richard Goode Aerobatics

Rhodds Farm

Lyonshall

Hereford

HR5 3LW

 

Tel:  +44 (0) 1544 340120

Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129

www.russianaeros.com



 

From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rico Jaeger

Sent: 09 October 2015 20:29

To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Oil Tank / Engine Heater

 

Hi, Redstars!

 

Well, our 3 weeks of Summer flew by (pun intended!) quickly in WI and I am now faced with the dismal prospect of a multi-month "no fly zone" due to ridiculously impending cold weather and harsh climate. Can anyone offer advice on engine / oil pre-heat for a Yak 52? I've done some propane ducted-heat experimentation and have seen limited / marginal success. I would really like a dependable method so I can maintain my "chops" over the Winter months. If anyone has any solid advice / experience and / or if anyone has a system for sale, or feels confident in directing me to someone offering one, please talk to me. I think we can keep this topic "on-list" as it may be of interest to other pilots...?

 

Thank you in advance - and 'hoping this finds you all healthy, happy and thriving!

 

Rico Jaeger

915 S. 11th Ave.                  

Wausau, WI. 54401     

715.529.7426                    

                                                                    //

1966 Cessna 150F                            ^/---//-X

N8558G                                                  // 

Hangar #35 / AUW

                                                  //               

1992 Yakovlev Yak 52    ^/---//-X

N21YK                                   //



Hangar #21 / AUW

                                          

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heaysr(at)telus.net
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:09 pm Post subject: Oil Tank / Engine Heater

I fly my Yak 55/M14P throughout the winter here in Vancouver BC, except on

very cold days when ambient is below freezing.



The O&M manual indicates preheat in necessary below 5 deg C



My hangar is unheated.



I have installed a EZ heat butterfly pad on the bottom of the oil tank, and

a single EZ Heat pad on one end of the oil cooler and another on the sump

located at the front of the engine bottom center (where the metal filings

sensor and drain valve is located).



I leave the tank heater on for a minimum of an hour and the oil cooler and

sump heaters on for 30 min before engine start. I get quite a lot of oil

draining down to the sump over a week. Hence the sump heater.



In addition I use a propane space heater to heat the cylinders. I remove the

lower half cowling and leave the upper half  cowling on and cover it with a

blanket.



With stove piping, the space heater output is directed straight up from the

hangar floor under the engine watching to make sure things don't get too hot

inside the cowling.  The engine gets cozy warm after 30 min. I check

cylinder and engine component  temps using one of those hand held temp

reading guns. 



On start up the oil pressure is within limits. After warming the engine at

46% RPM for about 5 minutes, the oil pressure suddenly drops to the lower

limit and stays there for a while, then gradually increases back to normal

as the oil temp rises to the green arc. I suppose the drop is the oil being

routed to the oil cooler where the cold oil has a high viscosity until

flushed through.



I use Phillips 66 X/C 25W-60  Radial engine oil 



Regards



Royden



   



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Posts: 484
Location: 08A

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:16 pm Post subject: Oil Tank / Engine Heater

Move south young man.

Doc



Sent from my iPad



On Oct 9, 2015, at 2:28 PM, Rico Jaeger <rocknpilot(at)hotmail.com (rocknpilot(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:

[quote]       

Hi, Redstars! 



  

Well, our 3 weeks of Summer flew by (pun intended!) quickly in WI and I am now faced with the dismal prospect of a multi-month "no fly zone" due to ridiculously impending cold weather and harsh climate. Can anyone offer advice on engine / oil pre-heat for  a Yak 52? I've done some propane ducted-heat experimentation and have seen limited / marginal success. I would really like a dependable method so I can maintain my "chops" over the Winter months. If anyone has any solid advice / experience and / or if anyone  has a system for sale, or feels confident in directing me to someone offering one, please talk to me. I think we can keep this topic "on-list" as it may be of interest to other pilots...? 



  

Thank you in advance - and 'hoping this finds you all healthy, happy and thriving! 



  Rico Jaeger

 915 S. 11th Ave.                  

 Wausau, WI. 54401     

 715.529.7426                    

                                                                     //

 1966 Cessna 150F                            ^/---//-X

 N8558G                                                  // Hangar #35 / AUW

                                                   //               

 1992 Yakovlev Yak 52    ^/---//-X

 N21YK                                   //

 Hangar #21 / AUW

                                           

 

 

 

 

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Viperdoc

rocknpilot(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:24 am Post subject: Oil Tank / Engine Heater

Thnax, Richard!!

  



  Rico Jaeger

 915 S. 11th Ave.                  

 Wausau, WI. 54401     

 715.529.7426                    

                                                                     //

 1966 Cessna 150F                            ^/---//-X

 N8558G                                                  // Hangar #35 / AUW

                                                   //               

 1992 Yakovlev Yak 52    ^/---//-X

 N21YK                                   //

 Hangar #21 / AUW

                                           

 

 

 

 

 

   From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com> on behalf of Richard Goode <richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com>

 Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 3:22 AM

 To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Oil Tank / Engine Heater  

 

   

 It is worth noting that the original Russian instructions say that if the M 14 P is not going to be used for only a week, then it should have short-term conservation, to prevent  internal corrosion on an engine that has been used and so has combustion by-products in the engine. If you are leaving the engine for an entire winter, it should have full conservation. Of course they were incredibly conservative, but I pass this on for what  it is worth! 

    

 Richard Goode Aerobatics 

 Rhodds Farm 

 Lyonshall 

 Hereford 

 HR5 3LW 

   

 Tel:  +44 (0) 1544 340120 

 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 

 www.russianaeros.com 

 

     

 From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rico Jaeger

 Sent: 09 October 2015 20:29

 To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Oil Tank / Engine Heater 

 

 

    

Hi, Redstars! 

  

Well, our 3 weeks of Summer flew by (pun intended!) quickly in WI and I am now faced with the dismal prospect of a multi-month "no fly zone" due to ridiculously impending  cold weather and harsh climate. Can anyone offer advice on engine / oil pre-heat for a Yak 52? I've done some propane ducted-heat experimentation and have seen limited / marginal success. I would really like a dependable method so I can maintain my "chops"  over the Winter months. If anyone has any solid advice / experience and / or if anyone has a system for sale, or feels confident in directing me to someone offering one, please talk to me. I think we can keep this topic "on-list" as it may be of interest to  other pilots...? 

  

Thank you in advance - and 'hoping this finds you all healthy, happy and thriving! 

   

 Rico Jaeger

 915 S. 11th Ave.                  

 Wausau, WI. 54401     

 715.529.7426                    

                                                                     //

 1966 Cessna 150F                            ^/---//-X

 N8558G                                                  //   

 Hangar #35 / AUW

                                                   //               

 1992 Yakovlev Yak 52    ^/---//-X

 N21YK                                   // 

  

 Hangar #21 / AUW

                                            

 

 

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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:26 am Post subject: Oil Tank / Engine Heater

Doc, 



  

I can be there as early as Tuesday. I just need hangar space and a room w/ cable, internet, fridge (dorm size OK) laundry, RR, girl and bed. Let me know... 



  

Thanks!

  



  Rico Jaeger

 915 S. 11th Ave.                  

 Wausau, WI. 54401     

 715.529.7426                    

                                                                     //

 1966 Cessna 150F                            ^/---//-X

 N8558G                                                  // Hangar #35 / AUW

                                                   //               

 1992 Yakovlev Yak 52    ^/---//-X

 N21YK                                   //

 Hangar #21 / AUW

                                           

 

 

 

 

 

   From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com> on behalf of Roger Kemp <f16viperdoc(at)me.com>

 Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 3:12 PM

 To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Oil Tank / Engine Heater  

 

  Move south young man.

 Doc

 

 Sent from my iPad

 

 On Oct 9, 2015, at 2:28 PM, Rico Jaeger <rocknpilot(at)hotmail.com (rocknpilot(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:

 

 

 [quote]   

Hi, Redstars! 



  

Well, our 3 weeks of Summer flew by (pun intended!) quickly in WI and I am now faced with the dismal prospect of a multi-month "no fly zone" due to ridiculously impending cold weather and harsh climate. Can anyone offer advice on engine / oil pre-heat for  a Yak 52? I've done some propane ducted-heat experimentation and have seen limited / marginal success. I would really like a dependable method so I can maintain my "chops" over the Winter months. If anyone has any solid advice / experience and / or if anyone  has a system for sale, or feels confident in directing me to someone offering one, please talk to me. I think we can keep this topic "on-list" as it may be of interest to other pilots...? 



  

Thank you in advance - and 'hoping this finds you all healthy, happy and thriving! 



  Rico Jaeger

 915 S. 11th Ave.                  

 Wausau, WI. 54401     

 715.529.7426                    

                                                                     //

 1966 Cessna 150F                            ^/---//-X

 N8558G                                                  // Hangar #35 / AUW

                                                   //               

 1992 Yakovlev Yak 52    ^/---//-X

 N21YK                                   //

 Hangar #21 / AUW

                                           

 

 

 

 

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Viperdoc

Joined: 19 Apr 2014
Posts: 484
Location: 08A

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 11:50 am Post subject: Oil Tank / Engine Heater

ðŸ˜‰ most are workable. The girl, you'll have to on your own.

Doc



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On Oct 11, 2015, at 1:22 PM, Rico Jaeger <rocknpilot(at)hotmail.com (rocknpilot(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:

[quote]       

Doc, 



  

I can be there as early as Tuesday. I just need hangar space and a room w/ cable, internet, fridge (dorm size OK) laundry, RR, girl and bed. Let me know... 



  

Thanks!

  



  Rico Jaeger

 915 S. 11th Ave.                  

 Wausau, WI. 54401     

 715.529.7426                    

                                                                     //

 1966 Cessna 150F                            ^/---//-X

 N8558G                                                  // Hangar #35 / AUW

                                                   //               

 1992 Yakovlev Yak 52    ^/---//-X

 N21YK                                   //

 Hangar #21 / AUW

                                           

 

 

 

 

 

   From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com) <owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com)> on behalf of Roger Kemp <f16viperdoc(at)me.com (f16viperdoc(at)me.com)>

 Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 3:12 PM

 To: yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)

 Subject: Re: Oil Tank / Engine Heater  

 

  Move south young man.

 Doc

 

 Sent from my iPad

 

 On Oct 9, 2015, at 2:28 PM, Rico Jaeger <rocknpilot(at)hotmail.com (rocknpilot(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:

 

 

  	  Quote: 	
		     

Hi, Redstars! 



  

Well, our 3 weeks of Summer flew by (pun intended!) quickly in WI and I am now faced with the dismal prospect of a multi-month "no fly zone" due to ridiculously impending cold weather and harsh climate. Can anyone offer advice on engine / oil pre-heat for  a Yak 52? I've done some propane ducted-heat experimentation and have seen limited / marginal success. I would really like a dependable method so I can maintain my "chops" over the Winter months. If anyone has any solid advice / experience and / or if anyone  has a system for sale, or feels confident in directing me to someone offering one, please talk to me. I think we can keep this topic "on-list" as it may be of interest to other pilots...? 



  

Thank you in advance - and 'hoping this finds you all healthy, happy and thriving! 



  Rico Jaeger

 915 S. 11th Ave.                  

 Wausau, WI. 54401     

 715.529.7426                    

                                                                     //

 1966 Cessna 150F                            ^/---//-X

 N8558G                                                  // Hangar #35 / AUW

                                                   //               

 1992 Yakovlev Yak 52    ^/---//-X

 N21YK                                   //

 Hangar #21 / AUW

                                           

 

 

 

 

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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:17 am Post subject: Re: Oil Tank / Engine Heater

Hi



This is how I do it:

I use a portable on wheels airconditioner, a small heater and a aluminium foil type duct which can be bought at a DIY store.



Normally an airconditioner will take warm air from the rear inlet, cool it and blow the cold air out in front and the hot resultant air out of its "exhaust outlet". This outlet pipe is usually routed out of a window or maybe a hole in the ceiling and out.



So what I do is to extend the standard outlet with the aluminium flxible duct and route it in to the engine bay between the fuselage and cowling.



I place the little heater at the rear of the airconditioner at the inlet.



The hot air from the exhaust is hot and a strong airflow.



This works much better than just a small heater with a fan or other sump heaters.



I set this up as a first thing and then start pre-flight. By the time I am done with the pre-flight, the CHT temp raised by at least 20 degrees Celsius.



This way you heat up the whole engine and not only the sump as with some sump heaters.



I must say that the winters never really get colder than -2 to -3 degrees Celsius and the YAK-52 live inside a hanger.



regards

Paul

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danbooker

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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 6:50 am Post subject: Re: Oil Tank / Engine Heater

Hey Rico,

I have oil pan heat strips installed. They work great. Only problem is I preheated engine compartment and still blue an oil line going to wing/oil cooler. I suggest an additional heater strip on your oil cooler "radiator". Of course, a heated hanger would be best, but I do not have that option!  Good luck.

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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:41 am Post subject: Oil Tank / Engine Heater

I've mentioned this before, but it is worth repeating I suppose.   



The original YAK-50 came with a type of "Veritherm", think of it as working the same way as the thermostat in your engines cooling system.   It screws into the standard M-14 oil cooler that is found on both the 50, 52, 55 and Sukhoi's as well.   You'll also find a Veritherm in U.S. made oil coolers on many models.  



For reasons unknown, Russia put out a directive to remove these devices from the YAK-50's.  However they can still be found in the Russian helicopter oil coolers.  Long story short, they are not easy to find, but they are out there, and they do work extremely well.  Vladimir Yastremski happened to come across one, and I had him put it back in my otherwise stock oil cooler.  



I immediately noticed faster oil warm-up times, and a much more stable oil temperature reading.  This also gives a pressure by-pass to the oil cooler when the oil is cold.  The oil temp also remains much more stable when flying, obviously because it is now regulated just like your car engines water temperature (more or less anyway).  



There has to be some reason why the Russians pulled this thing out, but it can't be THAT bad since they left them in every helicopter oil cooler.   In any case, I've run this one over 500 hours without an issue.  



The only problem is finding one, but it's worth thinking about. 



Mark

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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:37 am Post subject: Oil Tank / Engine Heater

I fully concur. I have one on my Yak 50 too.



Jan



On 13/10/15 17:38, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD"

<owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of

mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil> wrote:



[quote]

<mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil>



I've mentioned this before, but it is worth repeating I suppose.



The original YAK-50 came with a type of "Veritherm", think of it as

working the same way as the thermostat in your engines cooling system.

It screws into the standard M-14 oil cooler that is found on both the 50,

52, 55 and Sukhoi's as well.   You'll also find a Veritherm in U.S. made

oil coolers on many models.



For reasons unknown, Russia put out a directive to remove these devices

from the YAK-50's.  However they can still be found in the Russian

helicopter oil coolers.  Long story short, they are not easy to find, but

they are out there, and they do work extremely well.  Vladimir Yastremski

happened to come across one, and I had him put it back in my otherwise

stock oil cooler. 



I immediately noticed faster oil warm-up times, and a much more stable

oil temperature reading.  This also gives a pressure by-pass to the oil

cooler when the oil is cold.  The oil temp also remains much more stable

when flying, obviously because it is now regulated just like your car

engines water temperature (more or less anyway).



There has to be some reason why the Russians pulled this thing out, but

it can't be THAT bad since they left them in every helicopter oil cooler.

  In any case, I've run this one over 500 hours without an issue.



The only problem is finding one, but it's worth thinking about.



Mark

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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 9:55 am Post subject: Oil Tank / Engine Heater

I flew various helicopters for years... the OH-58 series (almost the same as a Jet Ranger) has the Vernatherm valve for that very purpose... to aid in cooling and warming the oil in cold weather ops.  The valve is also found on most H.O. engines such as Lycoming and Continental.  Anyway, here's a good article on the subject.  http://www.avweb.com/news/maint/182617-1.html



 



   From: "Mark G CIV NAVAIR Bitterlich, WD" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil>

To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 10:38:16 AM

Subject: RE: Re: Oil Tank / Engine Heater

 



--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil>

 



I've mentioned this before, but it is worth repeating I suppose.   

 



The original YAK-50 came with a type of "Veritherm", think of it as working the same way as the thermostat in your engines cooling system.   It screws into the standard M-14 oil cooler that is found on both the 50, 52, 55 and Sukhoi's as well.   You'll also find a Veritherm in U.S. made oil coolers on many models.  

 



For reasons unknown, Russia put out a directive to remove these devices from the YAK-50's.  However they can still be found in the Russian helicopter oil coolers.  Long story short, they are not easy to find, but they are out there, and they do work extremely well.  Vladimir Yastremski happened to come across one, and I had him put it back in my otherwise stock oil cooler.  

 



I immediately noticed faster oil warm-up times, and a much more stable oil temperature reading.  This also gives a pressure by-pass to the oil cooler when the oil is cold.  The oil temp also remains much more stable when flying, obviously because it is now regulated just like your car engines water temperature (more or less anyway).  

 



There has to be some reason why the Russians pulled this thing out, but it can't be THAT bad since they left them in every helicopter oil cooler.   In any case, I've run this one over 500 hours without an issue.  

 



The only problem is finding one, but it's worth thinking about. 

 



Mark

 

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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:27 am Post subject: Oil Tank / Engine Heater

Mark, this is a good point and ultimately what I believe the problem is / was with the TWs The TW had all of the oil overheat problems early on and people came up with all types of solutions, including sealing or raising the doghouse under the nose.  

 Others tried extending the exhaust thinking hot exhaust was directed right inot the cooler intake.

 We even moved ours to the wing.  This required a cooler replacement from Positech.  They do sell coolers that work with a vernatherm.  Mine works well now, but I believe it is due to the vernatherm, not the change in location to the wingroot.

 I think several other TW owners have solved their oil cooling problems with help from Positech, either replacing the cooler or the vernatherm.

  

 Anyone on the list that can verify their experience??  

        

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  --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil (mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil)>  I've mentioned this before, but it is worth repeating I suppose.     The original YAK-50 came with a type of "Veritherm", think of it as working the same way as the thermostat in your engines cooling system.   It screws into the standard M-14 oil cooler that is found on both the 50, 52, 55 and Sukhoi's as well.   You'll also  find a Veritherm in U.S. made oil coolers on many models.    For reasons unknown, Russia put out a directive to remove these devices from the YAK-50's.  However they can still be found in the Russian helicopter oil coolers.  Long story short, they are not easy to find, but they are out there, and they do work extremely  well.  Vladimir Yastremski happened to come across one, and I had him put it back in my otherwise stock oil cooler.    I immediately noticed faster oil warm-up times, and a much more stable oil temperature reading.  This also gives a pressure by-pass to the oil cooler when the oil is cold.  The oil temp also remains much more stable when flying, obviously because it is now  regulated just like your car engines water temperature (more or less anyway).    There has to be some reason why the Russians pulled this thing out, but it can't be THAT bad since they left them in every helicopter oil cooler.   In any case, I've run this one over 500 hours without an issue.    The only problem is finding one, but it's worth thinking about.   Mark   --

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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:40 am Post subject: Oil Tank / Engine Heater

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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:51 am Post subject: Oil Tank / Engine Heater

Humph Humph. (nose in air)  I have four (4) vernatherm on the airplane  I fly.  ONE for each engine for the B-24.  So there.

 Jim "Pappy" Goolsby 

  

  In a message dated 10/13/2015 1:55:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  jblake207(at)comcast.net writes:

 [quote]      I flew various helicopters for years... the OH-58 series (almost the same    as a Jet Ranger) has the Vernatherm valve for that very purpose... to aid in    cooling and warming the oil in cold weather ops.  The valve is also    found on most H.O. engines such as Lycoming and Continental.  Anyway,    here's a good article on the subject.  http://www.avweb.com/news/maint/182617-1.html



   



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To:    yak-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 10:38:16    AM

Subject: RE: Re: Oil Tank / Engine Heater

   



--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV    NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil>

   



I've mentioned this before, but it is worth repeating I    suppose.   

   



The original YAK-50 came with a type of "Veritherm", think of    it as working the same way as the thermostat in your engines cooling system.      It screws into the standard M-14 oil cooler that is found on both the    50, 52, 55 and Sukhoi's as well.   You'll also find a Veritherm in U.S.    made oil coolers on many models.  

   



For reasons unknown, Russia put out a directive to remove these    devices from the YAK-50's.  However they can still be found in the    Russian helicopter oil coolers.  Long story short, they are not easy to    find, but they are out there, and they do work extremely well.  Vladimir    Yastremski happened to come across one, and I had him put it back in my    otherwise stock oil cooler.  

   



I immediately noticed faster oil warm-up times, and a much more    stable oil temperature reading.  This also gives a pressure by-pass to    the oil cooler when the oil is cold.  The oil temp also remains much more    stable when flying, obviously because it is now regulated just like your car    engines water temperature (more or less anyway).  

   



There has to be some reason why the Russians pulled this thing    out, but it can't be THAT bad since they left them in every helicopter oil    cooler.   In any case, I've run this one over 500 hours without an issue.     

   



The only problem is finding one, but it's worth thinking about.    

   



Mark

   

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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:12 am Post subject: Oil Tank / Engine Heater

Yeah, but do you have one on your CJ?    



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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:00 pm Post subject: Oil Tank / Engine Heater

Yes I do. Its a GWTFG (Goolsby Watch The Fr*&^%g Gage).

  

  In a message dated 10/13/2015 3:13:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil writes:

 [quote]-->    Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD"    <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil>

Yeah, but do you have one on your    CJ?    



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