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wladimirkummer(at)gmail.c
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Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 2:56 am Post subject: Interior finishing

Hi fellows,



I´m about to attach the top fuse but first considering do some interior

finish work to the cockpit. In your opinion what would be the lightest

finish? 



Best



Wladimir

To be Europa XS MG kit A193

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Fred Klein

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Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 7:30 am Post subject: Interior finishing

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		  On Dec 9, 2015, at 2:52 AM, Wladimir Kummer de Paula <wladimirkummer(at)gmail.com (wladimirkummer(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

I´m about to attach the top fuse but first considering do some interiorfinish work to the cockpit. In your opinion what would be the lightestfinish? 

	


Wladimir…I used a “splatter paint” called Zolotone, sprayed on w/ an oversize needle in the gun. I found it to be a wonderful material which blends easily. I also am happy to have sprayed the interior of the top fuselage before bonding it to the lower fuselage, believing that I’ve saved myself a lot of awkward effort…Good luck, Fred

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paul.the.aviator(at)gmail
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Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:10 am Post subject: Interior finishing

The only thing I can add on Zolotone is to prepare your surface well and then spray it with clear coat to protect it.Â  I did put some upholstery in my airplane in areas of high wear, for example the baggage compartment.



On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com (fklein(at)orcasonline.com)> wrote:

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		  On Dec 9, 2015, at 2:52 AM, Wladimir Kummer de Paula <wladimirkummer(at)gmail.com (wladimirkummer(at)gmail.com)> wrote:



IÂ´m about to attach the top fuse but first considering do some interiorfinish work to the cockpit. In your opinion what would be the lightestfinish?Â 

	




Wladimirâ€¦I used a â€œsplatter paintâ€ called Zolotone, sprayed on w/ an oversize needle in the gun. I found it to be a wonderful material which blends easily. I also am happy to have sprayed the interior of the top fuselage before bonding it to the lower fuselage, believing that Iâ€™ve saved myself a lot of awkward effortâ€¦Good luck, Fred

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budyerly(at)msn.com
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Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:15 pm Post subject: Interior finishing

To add to Fred’s comment on the importance of interior finish prep.

  

 Painting requires tedious prep for sure.  Clean well and smooth as  much as you can while preparing yourself for some awkward sanding.  For  your lungs sake, use a good respirator.

 Let me emphasize that Zolotone or trunk paint is forgiving but will scrape  off with wear so a good polyurethane clear flat over the interior adds wear  resistance and is easier to clean.  Heavy truck bed liner paint wears well,  but is heavier than fabric and some leathers.

  

 As far as the doors go we paint the interior door the same color as the  exterior although it can be painted to match the interior.

  

 Notes on interior weight.

 Interior fabrics:  

 Pay attention to your seat cushions.  I chose medium weight foam  rather than soft or memory foam.  That’s a personal choice.  2.5 pound  medium foam works for my 190 pounds.

 I use 2 inch on the seat bottom and 1 inch for the seat back and a back  bolster of about another three inches total thickness on average at the small of  the back.

 Cut the foam to size and sit in the seat for two hours minimum.  I  make my upholsterer make the cushions to shape, add a small side bolster, then  I, or preferably the customer sits in the seat for a couple hours (normally  programming his instrument EFIS and Engine monitor) and get feedback on what he  needs before final sewing.  Do not forget the back cushion.  The back  cushion should include a proper sitting angle and back lumbar support for the  shape of your back.  Both seat cushions upholstered should not exceed 10  pounds.

  

 Ready to install cushions are fine, however look at the weight.   Oregon Aero has very nice cushions but they are very heavy. 

  

 Leather is normally milled about 3/32 inch thick and a half a hide costs  $500.  Half a hide will do the cushions and center console.  Weight is  about 2.5 oz per square foot.

  

 Upholstery fabric varies and is about the same weight if it has foam bonded  to it.  I use tweed for the sides and tweed with leather accents for the  center and high wear areas.

  

 I like a leather cushion as it is easier to slide in and out of the  aircraft.  

  

 Overhead fabric is a pain for anybody and adds the most time to the  project.  Mine is a $90 a yard material and is very light.  I got it  for a steal at $10 a yard.  Most auto shops have a nice selection of vinyl  and or what is called “Mouse Fur” fabric which is easy to work with and fairly  cheap at $3 a yard.  Vinyl on the overhead tends to fall off over time  because the normal interior glues have trouble holding up the weight.   Mouse Fur is quite light and is easy to glue with proper contact adhesives (3M  777 is pretty good).

  

 Carpet is really heavy.  I bought the lightest I could find.  It  weighs about 1 pound per square yard.  It is not high wear.

  

 Total weight of my interior was about 20 pounds including the carpet, seat  bottom fabric coated and a complete baggage bay covering with embroidery.

  

 Both of my go to upholsterers have increased their prices to $90 per hour  and estimate about 200 hours to do the plane and actually take 250.  My  last bid was $6000 for a leather and full custom upholstered interior with  embroidery (it used to cost $4000 max).  (We do a seat back embroidery if  the customer wants it, but usually only do EXPERIMENTAL across the D panel in  the rear). 

  

 Make sure all your fabrics are cleanable.  That is why I do not  embroider my seat back.  Easier to clean and slide down.

  

 Frankly the Europa-Aircraft tri gear interior kit price is pretty fair at  1000 UK pounds or $1600 US for a sewn kit with embroidery on the cushions.   Then Zolatone the top and find someone to install it.

 Shipping is a fairly high cost.  Expect it to cost nearly $400 to pack  and ship.

  

 An auto upholstery shop may bid the install cheap, because it looks small,  but they usually don’t want to ever do one again.  Spend time with the  upholsterer and visit often.  You don’t want to end up with a screw or snap  in your fuel tank.  Its happened.

  

  

 Just my thoughts,

  

 Bud Yerly

  

  

  

    

  From: Fred Klein (fklein(at)orcasonline.com) 

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		     On Dec 9, 2015, at 2:52 AM, Wladimir Kummer de Paula <wladimirkummer(at)gmail.com (wladimirkummer(at)gmail.com)>    wrote:

    

   I´m    about to attach the top fuse but first considering do some interiorfinish    work to the cockpit. In your opinion what would be the lightestfinish? 

	




 Wladimir…I used a “splatter paint” called Zolotone, sprayed on w/ an  oversize needle in the gun. I found it to be a wonderful material which blends  easily. I also am happy to have sprayed the interior of the top fuselage before  bonding it to the lower fuselage, believing that I’ve saved myself a lot of  awkward effort…Good luck, Fred

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