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ogdenk

Joined: 05 Feb 2007
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Location: Syracuse, NY

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 1:44 pm Post subject: Finishing kit mods

Hi all,

  

 As I am progressing on my fuselage I want to get my finishing kit ordered.  I know there had been some issues with axle extensions, wheels etc. and I am looking for advice on what parts maybe should be omitted with plans on buying better/more appropriate parts.

  

 I had Vans send me the parts list so I could customize prior to ordering, here are some of the landing gear parts that I was wondering about:

  

 2.00  U 15X6.0-6               MAIN TIRE 6 PLY RV-10       

 2.00  U 15X6.0-6IT             INNER TUBE MAIN RV-10       

1.00  U 5:00X5-6               6 PLY TIRE MAIN GEAR        

1.00  U 5:00X5-6IT             TUBE FOR 5:005-6            

 1.00  U-00011                  GROVE WHL&BRK 6X6.00        

 1.00  U NW501.25               NOSE WHEEL W/BEARINGS       



 I don't see any axle extensions (U-1004B) listed as mentioned on Tim Olson's page here:

 http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html

 although the U-1004A axle nuts are listed.

  

 I am interested in upgrading the brakes (also mentioned on Tim Olson's site) but I don't know anything about the interchangeability of these parts, so advice there would be welcomed.  There is a brake mount:

 2.00  U-1003-PC                BRAKE MOUNT                 

 and I wonder if this would work with other (Matco?) brakes.

  

 Scanning the finishing kit list, I didn't see anything else that was obvious that I would want to omit, but if there are any other suggestions I would be happy to hear them.

  

 Thanks.

  

 Kent Ogden

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johngoodman

Joined: 18 Sep 2006
Posts: 530
Location: GA

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: Finishing kit mods

It looks like you're thinking about a brake modification. A friend of mine who also owns an RV-10 just did his this Fall. He went with the Matco mod:

http://www.matcomfg.com/WHLBRKWI600225KftlbenergyeXtraTorqueRV10CONFIG-idv-3814-4.html

I flew it one time and it does feel like there is more brake there. Your mileage may vary....

John

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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:06 pm Post subject: Finishing kit mods

While some have had issues with the original Cleveland brakes the -10 was designed with, I've not heard any issues with the Grove brakes. Quite frankly, I believe every -10 I have flown had the Clevelands, and they seemed plenty adequate.



Not sure I see the benefit of being able to flat spot the tires faster. More brakes won't help on gravel or grass. Very few paved runways are that marginal for the -10.



I would definitely do the nose wheel change to the proper Matco. I think Tim had a list of the proper tires and tubes. I chose to buy all retreads from Desser, because they seem to last a lot longer on the hot runways of Aridzona. Leakguard or Air Stop tubes are desirable.Â  Some have pointed out that the much more common and cheaper 6:00X6 tire will fit the wheel pants, and has the same load rating for given number of plies as the Vans choice of 15X6:00X6 tire.



-sent from the microchip implanted in my forearm

 

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 It looks like you're thinking about a brake modification. A friend of mine who also owns an RV-10 just did his this Fall. He went with the Matco mod:

 http://www.matcomfg.com/WHLBRKWI600225KftlbenergyeXtraTorqueRV10CONFIG-idv-3814-4.html

 I flew it one time and it does feel like there is more brake there. Your mileage may vary....

 John

 

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Bob Turner

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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:49 pm Post subject: Re: Finishing kit mods

IIRC, The stock axle extensions are just cut from hex-cross section stock. They are too small in diameter, the larger diameter after-market replacements are very desirable - I'd say necessary.

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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:59 pm Post subject: Finishing kit mods

If you fit the wheel pants to 6.00x6 tires they will fit. If you fit them per the plans with 15/6.00x6 tires then change to 6.00x6, they will hit the top of the wheel pant, or at least the nutplates, or at the very least the screws. Ask me how I know. 



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On Dec 30, 2015, at 10:03 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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		  While some have had issues with the original Cleveland brakes the -10 was designed with, I've not heard any issues with the Grove brakes. Quite frankly, I believe every -10 I have flown had the Clevelands, and they seemed plenty adequate.



Not sure I see the benefit of being able to flat spot the tires faster. More brakes won't help on gravel or grass. Very few paved runways are that marginal for the -10.



I would definitely do the nose wheel change to the proper Matco. I think Tim had a list of the proper tires and tubes. I chose to buy all retreads from Desser, because they seem to last a lot longer on the hot runways of Aridzona. Leakguard or Air Stop tubes are desirable.  Some have pointed out that the much more common and cheaper 6:00X6 tire will fit the wheel pants, and has the same load rating for given number of plies as the Vans choice of 15X6:00X6 tire.



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 It looks like you're thinking about a brake modification. A friend of mine who also owns an RV-10 just did his this Fall. He went with the Matco mod:

 http://www.matcomfg.com/WHLBRKWI600225KftlbenergyeXtraTorqueRV10CONFIG-idv-3814-4.html

 I flew it one time and it does feel like there is more brake there. Your mileage may vary....

 John

 

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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:23 pm Post subject: Re: Finishing kit mods

BTW, the talk about the Cleveland wheels and brakes is mostly academic; current -10 kits don't have them.

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Kelly McMullen

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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:37 am Post subject: Finishing kit mods

Yes, except the Clevelands were what prompted builders to look for alternatives.



The question then becomes whether the Groves are in anyway deficient to where one needs to deviate from plans and substitute Matco. Each modification costs money and more significantly extra build time. BTDT.



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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 6:05 am Post subject: Finishing kit mods

As far as I'm concerned the stock axle extensions are not adequate.

I made about 30 sets.  Attached is a pic (mod vs. stock).

Don McDonald



 

       From: Kent Ogden <ogdenk(at)upstate.edu>

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com 

 Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 3:41 PM

 Subject: RV10-List: Finishing kit mods

  

 

      Hi all,

  

 As I am progressing on my fuselage I want to get my finishing kit ordered.  I know there had been some issues with axle extensions, wheels etc. and I am looking for advice on what parts maybe should be omitted with plans on buying better/more appropriate parts.

  

 I had Vans send me the parts list so I could customize prior to ordering, here are some of the landing gear parts that I was wondering about:

  

 2.00  U 15X6.0-6               MAIN TIRE 6 PLY RV-10       

 2.00  U 15X6.0-6IT             INNER TUBE MAIN RV-10       

1.00  U 5:00X5-6               6 PLY TIRE MAIN GEAR        

1.00  U 5:00X5-6IT             TUBE FOR 5:005-6            

 1.00  U-00011                  GROVE WHL&BRK 6X6.00        

 1.00  U NW501.25               NOSE WHEEL W/BEARINGS       



 I don't see any axle extensions (U-1004B) listed as mentioned on Tim Olson's page here:

 http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html

 although the U-1004A axle nuts are listed.

  

 I am interested in upgrading the brakes (also mentioned on Tim Olson's site) but I don't know anything about the interchangeability of these parts, so advice there would be welcomed.  There is a brake mount:

 2.00  U-1003-PC                BRAKE MOUNT                 

 and I wonder if this would work with other (Matco?) brakes.

  

 Scanning the finishing kit list, I didn't see anything else that was obvious that I would want to omit, but if there are any other suggestions I would be happy to hear them.

  

 Thanks.

  

 Kent Ogden

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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 7:20 am Post subject: Finishing kit mods

I skipped the Vanâ€™s main gear wheel pants and used the James Aircraft pants: http://www.jamesaircraft.com/?page_id=47 

 

While I like the much tighter fit, I would estimate these to be a little more work to fit than the stock Vanâ€™s pants.

 

Carl

 

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McDonald

Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 9:02 AM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com; Kent Ogden

Subject: Re: Finishing kit mods

 

As far as I'm concerned the stock axle extensions are not adequate.



I made about 30 sets.  Attached is a pic (mod vs. stock).



Don McDonald



 

 

From: Kent Ogden <ogdenk(at)upstate.edu (ogdenk(at)upstate.edu)>

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com) 

Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 3:41 PM

Subject: Finishing kit mods



 

Hi all,



 



As I am progressing on my fuselage I want to get my finishing kit ordered.  I know there had been some issues with axle extensions, wheels etc. and I am looking for advice on what parts maybe should be omitted with plans on buying better/more appropriate parts.



 



I had Vans send me the parts list so I could customize prior to ordering, here are some of the landing gear parts that I was wondering about:



 



2.00  U 15X6.0-6               MAIN TIRE 6 PLY RV-10       

2.00  U 15X6.0-6IT             INNER TUBE MAIN RV-10       

1.00  U 5:00X5-6               6 PLY TIRE MAIN GEAR        

1.00  U 5:00X5-6IT             TUBE FOR 5:005-6            

1.00  U-00011                  GROVE WHL&BRK 6X6.00        

1.00  U NW501.25               NOSE WHEEL W/BEARINGS       



I don't see any axle extensions (U-1004B) listed as mentioned on Tim Olson's page here:



http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html



although the U-1004A axle nuts are listed.



 



I am interested in upgrading the brakes (also mentioned on Tim Olson's site) but I don't know anything about the interchangeability of these parts, so advice there would be welcomed.  There is a brake mount:



2.00  U-1003-PC                BRAKE MOUNT                 



and I wonder if this would work with other (Matco?) brakes.



 



Scanning the finishing kit list, I didn't see anything else that was obvious that I would want to omit, but if there are any other suggestions I would be happy to hear them.



 



Thanks.



 



Kent Ogden



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ogdenk

Joined: 05 Feb 2007
Posts: 41
Location: Syracuse, NY

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 7:58 am Post subject: Finishing kit mods

John,

  

 My motivation there is that we are looking to retire out west (eventually) and some of the places we like are at pretty high elevation.  A good example is Flagstaff AZ at around 7,000'.  Touchdown speeds will be pretty high with a lot of energy to dissipate at that altitude and beefier brakes seem like a good idea.  Having said that, it sounds like the current brakes are better than the original Clevelands and there may be no reason to spend the extra money on the Matco mod.

  

 Kent

  

 



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		  >> "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net> 12/30/2015 5:02 PM >>>

--> RV10-List message posted by: "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
	




It looks like you're thinking about a brake modification. A friend of mine who also owns an RV-10 just did his this Fall. He went with the Matco mod:

http://www.matcomfg.com/WHLBRKWI600225KftlbenergyeXtraTorqueRV10CONFIG-idv-3814-4.html

I flew it one time and it does feel like there is more brake there. Your mileage may vary....

John



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rjones560xl@gmail.com

Joined: 29 Jul 2015
Posts: 64
Location: Las Vegas, NV

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 8:16 am Post subject: Finishing kit mods

I bought the wheels and brakes from Matco. They have a complete set a wheels and brakes set up for the RV10. Their front axle is way better than Van's. Bearing preload is set with a separate nut instead using the axle bolt. The axle can't turn on the bolt because it is kept from turning by an off center cap screw on one end. Their brakes have 3 piston calipers and the linings have twice the brake energy limits as the original Van's supplied brakes. The two piston Grove brakes currently supplied by Van's are better than the original, but not as good as Matco's. I bought Goodyear Flight Custom III tires and but buteral tubes (the no leak type). 



Robert Jones



On Dec 31, 2015, at 07:55, Kent Ogden <ogdenk(at)upstate.edu (ogdenk(at)upstate.edu)> wrote:

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		      John,

  

 My motivation there is that we are looking to retire out west (eventually) and some of the places we like are at pretty high elevation.  A good example is Flagstaff AZ at around 7,000'.  Touchdown speeds will be pretty high with a lot of energy to dissipate at that altitude and beefier brakes seem like a good idea.  Having said that, it sounds like the current brakes are better than the original Clevelands and there may be no reason to spend the extra money on the Matco mod.

  

 Kent

  

 



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		  >> "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net (johngoodman(at)earthlink.net)> 12/30/2015 5:02 PM >>>

--> RV10-List message posted by: "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net (johngoodman(at)earthlink.net)>
	




It looks like you're thinking about a brake modification. A friend of mine who also owns an RV-10 just did his this Fall. He went with the Matco mod:

http://www.matcomfg.com/WHLBRKWI600225KftlbenergyeXtraTorqueRV10CONFIG-idv-3814-4.html

I flew it one time and it does feel like there is more brake there. Your mileage may vary....

John



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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 8:29 am Post subject: Finishing kit mods

FWIW, those high elevation runways are       longer ..... FLG is 8800' ..... which is huge compared to my 4000'       SL airport ...  X59.

       I'm used to steep approaches with full flaps which shortens the       energy vector down the runway.  It does take some finesse in the       flare and I've yet to land a -10              .    I'd compare the -10 to a Grumman       AA-5X ..... fast, sleek etc. but I'd like to hear from pilots that       have flown both.

       Linn .... Pitts S-1E, Grumman AA-1B, Traumahawk .... painting the       -10

       

       On 12/31/2015 10:55 AM, Kent Ogden wrote:

     

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		                       John,

        

       My motivation there is that we are looking to retire out west         (eventually) and some of the places we like are at pretty high         elevation.  A good example is Flagstaff AZ at around 7,000'.          Touchdown speeds will be pretty high with a lot of energy to         dissipate at that altitude and beefier brakes seem like a good         idea.  Having said that, it sounds like the current brakes are         better than the original Clevelands and there may be no reason         to spend the extra money on the Matco mod.

        

       Kent

        

       

         

         >>> "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net> (johngoodman(at)earthlink.net)         12/30/2015 5:02 PM >>>

         --> RV10-List message posted by: "johngoodman"         <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net> (johngoodman(at)earthlink.net)

         

         It looks like you're thinking about a brake modification. A         friend of mine who also owns an RV-10 just did his this Fall. He         went with the Matco mod:

         http://www.matcomfg.com/WHLBRKWI600225KftlbenergyeXtraTorqueRV10CONFIG-idv-3814-4.html

         I flew it one time and it does feel like there is more brake         there. Your mileage may vary....

         John

         

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Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 8:29 am Post subject: Finishing kit mods

Most airports at higher elevations have plenty of runway to deal with 

the higher true airspeed touchdown, Flagstaff included. Mostly runway 

length is dictated by takeoff needs for the D/A, not landing roll.

I have landed at plenty of high D/A airports (7000+ elev) with my 

Mooney, which has same approach speeds, stall speed within a knot or two 

and same typical wts. Empty wt within 5 lbs of each other. It is 

equipped with early '60s vintage Cleveland brakes. Braking is not an 

issue. Staying on speed for approach, adjusted for actual wt is the key. 

If you have an AOA installed, that should be very easy.

IMHO, YMMV.



The book landing distance for the Mooney at gross 2575 lbs is 1550 sea 

level, 1795 at 7500 D/A at standard temps. Obviously that will go up 

with summer temps perhaps 20 above standard. FLG runway length is 8800.



On 12/31/2015 8:55 AM, Kent Ogden wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   John,

 My motivation there is that we are looking to retire out west

 (eventually) and some of the places we like are at pretty high

 elevation.  A good example is Flagstaff AZ at around 7,000'.  Touchdown

 speeds will be pretty high with a lot of energy to dissipate at that

 altitude and beefier brakes seem like a good idea.  Having said that, it

 sounds like the current brakes are better than the original Clevelands

 and there may be no reason to spend the extra money on the Matco mod.

 Kent

  >>> "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net> 12/30/2015 5:02 PM >>>

 



 It looks like you're thinking about a brake modification. A friend of

 mine who also owns an RV-10 just did his this Fall. He went with the

 Matco mod:

 http://www.matcomfg.com/WHLBRKWI600225KftlbenergyeXtraTorqueRV10CONFIG-idv-3814-4.html

 I flew it one time and it does feel like there is more brake there. Your

 mileage may vary....

 John



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 Read this topic online here:



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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 9:12 am Post subject: Finishing kit mods

While the upgraded (Matco) mains/brakesÂ are nice, I've taken off andÂ landed my first RV-10 with CleavelandsÂ at KFLY several times, onceÂ with a DA of 11,200!Â  As has been said, high altitude runways are typically much longer than normal.Â  Combine that with the fact that RV-10s can get into and out of short strips with ease, you won't have a problem even with the original Cleavelands.



Where you would have an issue with the Cleavelands is in an aborted takeoff scenario.Â  If youre taking off on a short runway at gross weightÂ and have to abort at the last sec before flying.Â  Getting on the brakes hard with that much built up energy, you'll like experience some brake "fade" from the heat build up.Â  My recollection is that the Cleavelands are rated for aÂ 3000 pound gross so a loaded 10 is getting close to that.Â  The Matcos are much heavier duty Â with dual calipersÂ so that won't be an issue.

Bob



On Thursday, December 31, 2015, Kent Ogden <ogdenk(at)upstate.edu (ogdenk(at)upstate.edu)> wrote:

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		      John,

 Â 

 My motivation there is that we are looking to retire out west (eventually) and some of the places we like are at pretty high elevation.Â  A good example is Flagstaff AZ at around 7,000'.Â  Touchdown speeds will be pretty high with a lot of energy to dissipate at that altitude and beefier brakes seem like a good idea.Â  Having said that, it sounds like the current brakes are better than the original Clevelands and there may be no reason to spend the extra money on the Matco mod.

 Â 

 Kent

 Â 

 



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It looks like you're thinking about a brake modification. A friend of mine who also owns an RV-10 just did his this Fall. He went with the Matco mod:

http://www.matcomfg.com/WHLBRKWI600225KftlbenergyeXtraTorqueRV10CONFIG-idv-3814-4.html

I flew it one time and it does feel like there is more brake there. Your mileage may vary....

John



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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 9:37 am Post subject: Finishing kit mods

If you must use Cleaveland Brakes, the best part number to use is the 30-52N. These are the double puck brakes that have the "blisters" on the caliper and use the thicker rotors. Airframes Alaska is a pma manufacturer and uses these brakes exclusively on their installs of 31" and 35" Alaska Bushwheels. These can be installed on a C185 and stop the 3300lb airplane from 65 kias with no problems. This setup absorbs a great deal of energy from a large spinning mass and heavy weights. This is by far the most proliferated brake setup on wheeled planes in Alaska. Anyone here using them on the -10?

I am however, a bigger fan of the Matco products. Far less expensive, and I have yet to meet a single owner who doesn't love them and swear they outperform the Cleaveland wheels. 



 



On Dec 31, 2015, at 21:09, Bob Condrey <condreyb(at)gmail.com (condreyb(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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		  While the upgraded (Matco) mains/brakes are nice, I've taken off and landed my first RV-10 with Cleavelands at KFLY several times, once with a DA of 11,200!  As has been said, high altitude runways are typically much longer than normal.  Combine that with the fact that RV-10s can get into and out of short strips with ease, you won't have a problem even with the original Cleavelands.



Where you would have an issue with the Cleavelands is in an aborted takeoff scenario.  If youre taking off on a short runway at gross weight and have to abort at the last sec before flying.  Getting on the brakes hard with that much built up energy, you'll like experience some brake "fade" from the heat build up.  My recollection is that the Cleavelands are rated for a 3000 pound gross so a loaded 10 is getting close to that.  The Matcos are much heavier duty  with dual calipers so that won't be an issue.

Bob



On Thursday, December 31, 2015, Kent Ogden <ogdenk(at)upstate.edu (ogdenk(at)upstate.edu)> wrote:

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		      John,

  

 My motivation there is that we are looking to retire out west (eventually) and some of the places we like are at pretty high elevation.  A good example is Flagstaff AZ at around 7,000'.  Touchdown speeds will be pretty high with a lot of energy to dissipate at that altitude and beefier brakes seem like a good idea.  Having said that, it sounds like the current brakes are better than the original Clevelands and there may be no reason to spend the extra money on the Matco mod.

  

 Kent

  

 



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It looks like you're thinking about a brake modification. A friend of mine who also owns an RV-10 just did his this Fall. He went with the Matco mod:

http://www.matcomfg.com/WHLBRKWI600225KftlbenergyeXtraTorqueRV10CONFIG-idv-3814-4.html

I flew it one time and it does feel like there is more brake there. Your mileage may vary....

John



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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 2:48 pm Post subject: Finishing kit mods

I have the original axel extension and fly out of grass strip.  1100+ hours and no issues. 



Do not archive. 



Rob Kermanj 

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		   On Dec 30, 2015, at 9:49 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> wrote:

 

 

 

 IIRC, The stock axle extensions are just cut from hex-cross section stock. They are too small in diameter, the larger diameter after-market replacements are very desirable - I'd say necessary.

 

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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 3:34 pm Post subject: Finishing kit mods

An RV-10 based at a 1900' strip at 5000msl in Mexico installed the Matco Brakes after the Cleveland Brakes didn't stop the plane on a hot landing. He feels much better landing with the Matco's. 



Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

352-427-0285

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On Dec 31, 2015, at 12:33 PM, Justin Jones <jmjones2000(at)mindspring.com (jmjones2000(at)mindspring.com)> wrote:

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		  If you must use Cleaveland Brakes, the best part number to use is the 30-52N. These are the double puck brakes that have the "blisters" on the caliper and use the thicker rotors. Airframes Alaska is a pma manufacturer and uses these brakes exclusively on their installs of 31" and 35" Alaska Bushwheels. These can be installed on a C185 and stop the 3300lb airplane from 65 kias with no problems. This setup absorbs a great deal of energy from a large spinning mass and heavy weights. This is by far the most proliferated brake setup on wheeled planes in Alaska. Anyone here using them on the -10?

I am however, a bigger fan of the Matco products. Far less expensive, and I have yet to meet a single owner who doesn't love them and swear they outperform the Cleaveland wheels. 



 



On Dec 31, 2015, at 21:09, Bob Condrey <condreyb(at)gmail.com (condreyb(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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		  While the upgraded (Matco) mains/brakes are nice, I've taken off and landed my first RV-10 with Cleavelands at KFLY several times, once with a DA of 11,200!  As has been said, high altitude runways are typically much longer than normal.  Combine that with the fact that RV-10s can get into and out of short strips with ease, you won't have a problem even with the original Cleavelands.



Where you would have an issue with the Cleavelands is in an aborted takeoff scenario.  If youre taking off on a short runway at gross weight and have to abort at the last sec before flying.  Getting on the brakes hard with that much built up energy, you'll like experience some brake "fade" from the heat build up.  My recollection is that the Cleavelands are rated for a 3000 pound gross so a loaded 10 is getting close to that.  The Matcos are much heavier duty  with dual calipers so that won't be an issue.

Bob



On Thursday, December 31, 2015, Kent Ogden <ogdenk(at)upstate.edu (ogdenk(at)upstate.edu)> wrote:

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		      John,

  

 My motivation there is that we are looking to retire out west (eventually) and some of the places we like are at pretty high elevation.  A good example is Flagstaff AZ at around 7,000'.  Touchdown speeds will be pretty high with a lot of energy to dissipate at that altitude and beefier brakes seem like a good idea.  Having said that, it sounds like the current brakes are better than the original Clevelands and there may be no reason to spend the extra money on the Matco mod.

  

 Kent

  

 



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It looks like you're thinking about a brake modification. A friend of mine who also owns an RV-10 just did his this Fall. He went with the Matco mod:

http://www.matcomfg.com/WHLBRKWI600225KftlbenergyeXtraTorqueRV10CONFIG-idv-3814-4.html

I flew it one time and it does feel like there is more brake there. Your mileage may vary....

John



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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 6:52 am Post subject: Finishing kit mods

The aftermarket extension was the very first accessory I bought for my 

'10 back in 1996.  It finally flew late in 2011 when I put the pants on 

after engine break-in.  A little over 500 hours and approximately 150 

operations off of a grass strip, one of the extension ends stripped and 

had to be replaced.

I like the aftermarket part - it looks good and appropriate to the 

task.  My guess is that the original axle extension works just fine as 

well though it doesn't quite look up the stresses and strains I imagine 

the part enduring.  Key words here are 'like', 'guess', 'look' and 

'imagine'.  I don't recall anyone here actually having a bad experience 

with the original part or design (?).

If I were building again I think I'd use the original part and if it 

failed, replace it with the aftermarket one.

On 12/31/2015 5:45 PM, Rob Kermanj wrote:

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 I have the original axel extension and fly out of grass strip.  1100+ hours and no issues.

 Do not archive.

 Rob Kermanj

 Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 30, 2015, at 9:49 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> wrote:

>

> 

>

> IIRC, The stock axle extensions are just cut from hex-cross section stock. They are too small in diameter, the larger diameter after-market replacements are very desirable - I'd say necessary.

>

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> Bob Turner

> RV-10 QB

>

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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 8:00 am Post subject: Finishing kit mods

Here's the reason I made the extensions.... I thought the originals were wimpy.  So after making 1 set for my plane, a friend of mine, with a 10 already flying, stopped by and saw them on my plane.  Thought they looked a lot better.... well not 3 weeks later he came by and asked if I could make him a pair because one of his broke.  At that point, I gave him mine and made up a bunch of them.

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.  Really wouldn't want to be 1,000 miles from home with a broken one.

Don McDonald

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--> RV10-List message posted by: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com (Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com)>

The aftermarket extension was the very first accessory I bought for my 

'10 back in 1996.  It finally flew late in 2011 when I put the pants on 

after engine break-in.  A little over 500 hours and approximately 150 

operations off of a grass strip, one of the extension ends stripped and 

had to be replaced.

I like the aftermarket part - it looks good and appropriate to the 

task.  My guess is that the original axle extension works just fine as 

well though it doesn't quite look up the stresses and strains I imagine 

the part enduring.  Key words here are 'like', 'guess', 'look' and 

'imagine'.  I don't recall anyone here actually having a bad experience 

with the original part or design (?).

If I were building again I think I'd use the original part and if it 

failed, replace it with the aftermarket one.

On 12/31/2015 5:45 PM, Rob Kermanj wrote:

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 I have the original axel extension and fly out of grass strip.  1100+ hours and no issues.

 Do not archive.

 Rob Kermanj

 Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 30, 2015, at 9:49 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu (bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu)> wrote:

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> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu (bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu)>

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> IIRC, The stock axle extensions are just cut from hex-cross section stock. They are too small in diameter, the larger diameter after-market replacements are very desirable - I'd say necessary.

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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 9:49 am Post subject: Finishing kit mods

I had the original parts on a plane and one side broke, taking the wheel pant with it. The bolt holding the rod to the axle nut is what broke. I won't use the stock part. If a plane comes into my shop with them, I replace them with the aftermarket parts. 

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		   On Jan 2, 2016, at 9:48 AM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> wrote:

 The aftermarket extension was the very first accessory I bought for my '10 back in 1996.  It finally flew late in 2011 when I put the pants on after engine break-in.  A little over 500 hours and approximately 150 operations off of a grass strip, one of the extension ends stripped and had to be replaced.

 I like the aftermarket part - it looks good and appropriate to the task.  My guess is that the original axle extension works just fine as well though it doesn't quite look up the stresses and strains I imagine the part enduring.  Key words here are 'like', 'guess', 'look' and 'imagine'.  I don't recall anyone here actually having a bad experience with the original part or design (?).

 If I were building again I think I'd use the original part and if it failed, replace it with the aftermarket one.

> On 12/31/2015 5:45 PM, Rob Kermanj wrote:

> 

> 

> I have the original axel extension and fly out of grass strip.  1100+ hours and no issues.

> 

> Do not archive.

> 

> Rob Kermanj

> Sent from my iPad

> 

>> On Dec 30, 2015, at 9:49 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> wrote:

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> IIRC, The stock axle extensions are just cut from hex-cross section stock. They are too small in diameter, the larger diameter after-market replacements are very desirable - I'd say necessary.

>> 

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