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skyjockey
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 Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:44 pm Post subject: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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Hi folks,
I had the pleasure to fly a Yak 52 this weekend here in San Diego and loved it!
Most fun ever flying planes as a pilot and after flying Cessnas, Pipers and Bonanzas nothing comes close to the thrills. Only downside to the Yak 52 is range and lack of IFR capability. I am working toward my instrument rating and wanted to find out if an experimental plane like the Yak 52 and CJ6 are classified can be fitted with lower cost IFR avionics and used for instrument training and the checkride?
Also I need to find out what the price ranges are for a Yak 52 or CJ6 since they are all across the board on TAP, Controller, etc. How much should I expect to pay for a nice Yak 52 or CJ6?
I wanted at first an American warbird like an AT-6, T-34 or T-28 but prices are 3x more expensive than a Yak or CJ!!
How do I get checked out in one? I looked at the Redstar Pilot group and contacted a few San Diego instructors but no luck. Never heard back from Redstar either after contacting them by email.
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Viperdoc
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| Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:38 pm Post subject: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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Rich Hess and Pappy speak up. Help the boy get checked out. $60-70 K for YAK. $100 - 120 K for CJ 6. As far as fuel on the 52, everybody worries about it but soon find they are not going to be doing long sorties in the YAK. The CJ is the XC aircraft. The 52 can be fitted with bladders that gives her roughly 3 hours of fuel.
The cockpit of both are no set up for long legged people. Hence after 1.5 hours in either of them you want to get out and stretch your legs, drain your bladder, and hydrate. You get a workout flying either aircraft.
Doc
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| Quote: | On Dec 15, 2015, at 8:44 PM, skyjockey <mixxalot(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi folks,
I had the pleasure to fly a Yak 52 this weekend here in San Diego and loved it!
Most fun ever flying planes as a pilot and after flying Cessnas, Pipers and Bonanzas nothing comes close to the thrills. Only downside to the Yak 52 is range and lack of IFR capability. I am working toward my instrument rating and wanted to find out if an experimental plane like the Yak 52 and CJ6 are classified can be fitted with lower cost IFR avionics and used for instrument training and the checkride?
Also I need to find out what the price ranges are for a Yak 52 or CJ6 since they are all across the board on TAP, Controller, etc. How much should I expect to pay for a nice Yak 52 or CJ6?
I wanted at first an American warbird like an AT-6, T-34 or T-28 but prices are 3x more expensive than a Yak or CJ!!
How do I get checked out in one? I looked at the Redstar Pilot group and contacted a few San Diego instructors but no luck. Never heard back from Redstar either after contacting them by email.
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skyjockey
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| Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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Thanks viper,
I would ideally like to partner with an instructor who has either a Yak or CJ and pay time to get the check out before purchase. That way I can fly the plane home once I locate the right one. I am looking at a few in California right at the moment and Yak are half the price of a CJ. So might get a Yak and with the extra cash buy a second plane like an RV7 for longer trips. I could add fuel bladders and Dynon glass panel to one. How would one take an IFR checkered with local DPE in such a plane? I know a few DPE in San Diego like Julie Keane are pretty nice folks. Anyways feel free to PM if you have contacts or want to help me reach my goals and I will reciprocate to the next Yak/CJ newbie.
Scott
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| Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:07 pm Post subject: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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Yak for sale in Ft. Collins, CO. Excellent condition. The guy will check you out. Barnstormers.
Low $50’s.
These are not X-country airplanes. Just go fly locally and have fun.
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Rich Hess and Pappy speak up. Help the boy get checked out. $60-70 K for YAK. $100 - 120 K for CJ 6. As far as fuel on the 52, everybody worries about it but soon find they are not going to be doing long sorties in the YAK. The CJ is the XC aircraft. The 52 can be fitted with bladders that gives her roughly 3 hours of fuel.
The cockpit of both are no set up for long legged people. Hence after 1.5 hours in either of them you want to get out and stretch your legs, drain your bladder, and hydrate. You get a workout flying either aircraft.
Doc
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> I had the pleasure to fly a Yak 52 this weekend here in San Diego and loved it!
> Most fun ever flying planes as a pilot and after flying Cessnas, Pipers and Bonanzas nothing comes close to the thrills. Only downside to the Yak 52 is range and lack of IFR capability. I am working toward my instrument rating and wanted to find out if an experimental plane like the Yak 52 and CJ6 are classified can be fitted with lower cost IFR avionics and used for instrument training and the checkride?
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> Also I need to find out what the price ranges are for a Yak 52 or CJ6 since they are all across the board on TAP, Controller, etc. How much should I expect to pay for a nice Yak 52 or CJ6?
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> I wanted at first an American warbird like an AT-6, T-34 or T-28 but prices are 3x more expensive than a Yak or CJ!!
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> How do I get checked out in one? I looked at the Redstar Pilot group and contacted a few San Diego instructors but no luck. Never heard back from Redstar either after contacting them by email.
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BTLYak
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| Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:31 am Post subject: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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We just went through the YAK - 52 search and buy process.
Advice: spend a little extra to get a cleaner airplane. $45-50K sounds good until you see the cost of recovering the rudder, air system upgrades, parachutes, five point harness, FOD barrier, and Auto plug mods.
iPad and a Stratus for X/C flying.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:42 am Post subject: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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Excellent advice! Putting it another way, you really do get what you
pay for when buying a Yak 52.
There was a Fram oil filter commercial a few years ago which definitely
applies when first buying a Yak 52. It went something like this:"You
can pay me now or pay me later."
Let me know if I can help.
Merry Christmas
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
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We just went through the YAK - 52 search and buy process.
Advice: spend a little extra to get a cleaner airplane. $45-50K sounds good until you see the cost of recovering the rudder, air system upgrades, parachutes, five point harness, FOD barrier, and Auto plug mods.
iPad and a Stratus for X/C flying.
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"Battle Yak"
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barryhancock
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| Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:29 am Post subject: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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Reminds me of myself 15+ years ago when I was just getting into this. Put another way, a friend of mine has a saying that could not be more true...
"The bitterness of a poorly maintained airplane lingers much longer than the sweetness of the price." 'nuff said.
In general, they are both great airplanes. The Yak is a terrific, purpose built, aerobatic trainer. It even has it's own category in the World Aerobatic Championships. If you are interested in competition style aerobatics (negative G, snaps, etc.) and don't plan to do much cross country flying beyond 300nm, then the Yak is a great option. If you are looking for something with good aerobatic capability but can still get cross country at a reasonable speed (140KTAS) with 2 people plus bags for a week, a bit more room in the cockpit, and a bit more stable, then the CJ is a great choice. What you really need is a CJ for formation and cross country, and a Yak-50 for local fun.  I still miss #001, but I digress. Bottom line is it is prudent to write down what your current flight profiles will normally be and then go fly them both.
One word of caution for both airplanes, and any warbird, is to get proper spin training before learning any aerobatics, particularly in the -52. The -52, while completely predictable and reliable in a spin, has some unique characteristics that will surprise the uninitiated/inexperienced pilot.
In any event, you will not find better bang for the buck warbirds than the CJs and Yaks. Welcome to the adventure, it only gets better from here. Please let me know if there's anything I can do to help.
Doc, you need to buy some of my rudder pedal extensions, they make great stocking stuffers. 
Fly safe!
Barry
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nylbrooks
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| Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:41 am Post subject: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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Hi Skyjockey,
I agree with all of the previous responses you have received, both aircraft are fantastic just a bit different capabilities.
In 2011 I chose the CJ-6A and have been extremely happy I did. Great aircraft, incredible construction and fun to fly.
However; an illness in my family forces me to sell our beloved Nanchang.
N92862 is a 1965 CJ-6A, 285hp Huosai HS6A, AFTT 4493, Eng 799.
KX-155 NAV/COM, KI-204 VOR/LOC/GS, Garmin 296. Lots more.
$70,000.
Ken Brooks 928-580-9817
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g195
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| Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2015 5:23 am Post subject: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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Hi, skyjockey
I have a Yak52-tw that I will be selling as soon as I finish the condition inspection. It has 74 gal of gas (600 mi range), hyd brakes, air and elec start plus barrett overhaul engine (450 hp on his dyno). Has 10" Dynon with backup alt and airspeed.
Gary
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cjpilot710(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2015 4:15 pm Post subject: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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YeeeK!!! Now that's what a 52 should be.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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Hi, skyjockey
I have a Yak52-tw that I will be selling as soon as I finish the condition inspection. It has 74 gal of gas (600 mi range), hyd brakes, air and elec start plus barrett overhaul engine (450 hp on his dyno). Has 10" Dynon with backup alt and airspeed.
Gary
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| Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2015 7:07 pm Post subject: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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Where is your TW? I have one in Louisville KY.
Sent from my iPhone
| Quote: | On Dec 19, 2015, at 8:24 AM, g195 <g195(at)grandecom.net> wrote:
Hi, skyjockey
I have a Yak52-tw that I will be selling as soon as I finish the condition inspection. It has 74 gal of gas (600 mi range), hyd brakes, air and elec start plus barrett overhaul engine (450 hp on his dyno). Has 10" Dynon with backup alt and airspeed.
Gary
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Etienne Verhellen
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| Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:04 am Post subject: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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Hi Etienne!
always nice pictures of Janie !!! and of B747 on top ...
wish you also a Merry Christmas and wonderful flights with our YAK 52s in 2016!
your grateful student 😉
JP
2015-12-20 10:58 GMT+01:00 Etienne Verhellen <janie(at)yak52.fr (janie(at)yak52.fr)>:
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Etienne Verhellen
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| Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:50 am Post subject: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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Thanks Jean-Philippe !
Really enjoyed the time we spent flying together in 2015 !
Formation flying and Airshow aerobatic display
(Meeting aérien ... as you say in France !) in 2016 !!!!!!
http://cdn.airplane-pictures.net/images/uploaded-images/2015/12/19/644057.jpg
Take care of yourself and your family.
Welcome to the Yak-list, 'la liste dont on ne revient pas !' ...
From our house to the house of ALL Yakovlevs aficionados :
Merry Xmas and Happy landings in 2016 !
Cheers,
Etienne & Co.
http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/644057/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-52/
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| Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:05 am Post subject: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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IF I had it to do over it would be T-6 all the way.....best bang for the buck on a real war bird.
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And your saying the CJ-6 not a real war bird? See the video below. About :11 mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0yNcM4kV6g
There were 10 CJ-6Bs off the Nanchang production line, rigged to carry rockets and bombs. N Korea still uses CJ-6 with that set up. Maybe not a real viable weapon in today's combat environment, but in non contested airspace and against just AK-47s.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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IF I had it to do over it would be T-6 all the way.....best bang for the buck on a real war bird.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:37 am Post subject: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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WOW!! AN-2 with rockets. (at)12:25 into the video
Tom Elliott
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And your saying the CJ-6 not a real war bird? See the video below. About :11 mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0yNcM4kV6g
There were 10 CJ-6Bs off the Nanchang production line, rigged to carry rockets and bombs. N Korea still uses CJ-6 with that set up. Maybe not a real viable weapon in today's combat environment, but in non contested airspace and against just AK-47s.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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To be fair they are arming Cessna 208's with hellfire's and calling them AC-208's...I guess I flew an attack aircraft after all when delivering the mail
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| Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:57 am Post subject: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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Hmm, really looking to buy or just looking for some free time? I see posts on the acrolist, rv list, glassair list, warbird list......
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