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Albert Gardner

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 455
Location: Yuma, AZ

Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 8:54 pm Post subject: P Mags

The 6 cylinder P Mags have been out for a while-has anyone on the list used them and have a report?

Albert Gardner

RV-10 N991RV

Yuma, AZ

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Bob Turner

Joined: 03 Jan 2009
Posts: 885
Location: Castro Valley, CA

Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 1:00 am Post subject: Re: P Mags

I was not aware that the 6 cylinder P-mags were available. How long have they been selling them?

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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB

flysrv10(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 1:07 am Post subject: P Mags

you guys wake up early!

I have been on their list for the past two yrs and was not even notified that they are avilable.  Perhaps I was don in th elist.



do not archive.



 Rob Kermanj



  

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		  On Feb 26, 2016, at 4:00 AM, Bob Turner <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu (bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu)> wrote:

--> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu (bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu)>I was not aware that the 6 cylinder P-mags were available. How long have they been selling them?--------Bob TurnerRV-10 QBRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=453203#453203

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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 3:36 am Post subject: P Mags

Latest from their web site:



Note 1/20/16:   We are pleased and grateful for the numerous six 

cylinder (Series 200) fans anxiously waiting for the product release. 

At this point, we are still cleaning up the operating code and 

electronics, in preparation for production.  Deliveries of proof-sets 

were pushed back.  Engineering has not yet released them for assembly, 

but is expected soon.



On 2/25/2016 10:53 PM, Albert wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   The 6 cylinder P Mags have been out for a while-has anyone on the list

 used them and have a report?



 Albert Gardner



 RV-10 N991RV



 Yuma, AZ

flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 4:22 am Post subject: P Mags

This is interesting ....

My buddy, another RV-10 builder, delayed shipment of his Pmags because 

he wasn't ready for them  and freed his up for another customer .....

Kinda shows that they were either shipping or real close.  He'll be 

surprised .....

Linn

On 2/26/2016 6:35 AM, Ron Walker wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Latest from their web site:

 Note 1/20/16:   We are pleased and grateful for the numerous six 

 cylinder (Series 200) fans anxiously waiting for the product release. 

 At this point, we are still cleaning up the operating code and 

 electronics, in preparation for production.  Deliveries of proof-sets 

 were pushed back.  Engineering has not yet released them for assembly, 

 but is expected soon.

 On 2/25/2016 10:53 PM, Albert wrote:

> The 6 cylinder P Mags have been out for a while-has anyone on the list

> used them and have a report?

>

> Albert Gardner

>

> RV-10 N991RV

>

> Yuma, AZ

>

n520tx(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 4:56 am Post subject: P Mags

I sent a deposit in I think last August when they were expecting 

shipments to commence some time in October. I have since acquired a pair 

of one-overhaul slick mags and am about to pull the trigger and install 

them. Perhaps a good thing - get thru the first 40 hrs with decades old 

proven technology.



--Ron



On 2/26/2016 6:22 AM, Linn Walters wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 This is interesting ....

 My buddy, another RV-10 builder, delayed shipment of his Pmags because

 he wasn't ready for them  and freed his up for another customer .....

 Kinda shows that they were either shipping or real close.  He'll be

 surprised .....

 Linn



 On 2/26/2016 6:35 AM, Ron Walker wrote:

> 

>

> Latest from their web site:

>

> Note 1/20/16:   We are pleased and grateful for the numerous six

> cylinder (Series 200) fans anxiously waiting for the product release.

> At this point, we are still cleaning up the operating code and

> electronics, in preparation for production.  Deliveries of proof-sets

> were pushed back.  Engineering has not yet released them for assembly,

> but is expected soon.

>

> On 2/25/2016 10:53 PM, Albert wrote:

>> The 6 cylinder P Mags have been out for a while-has anyone on the list

>> used them and have a report?

>>

>> Albert Gardner

>>

>> RV-10 N991RV

>>

>> Yuma, AZ

>>

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2878

Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 5:19 am Post subject: P Mags

But if you go by the past promises to deliveries ratio and put it on

a timeline graph, that means people should have them in hand shortly

after the 2020 ADS-B mandate takes effect....and that they should have

enough hours on them with customers to become a viable proven option

sometime a couple years later.

Tim

do not archive

On 2/26/2016 5:35 AM, Ron Walker wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Latest from their web site:

 Note 1/20/16:   We are pleased and grateful for the numerous six 

 cylinder (Series 200) fans anxiously waiting for the product release. 

 At this point, we are still cleaning up the operating code and 

 electronics, in preparation for production.  Deliveries of proof-sets 

 were pushed back.  Engineering has not yet released them for assembly, 

 but is expected soon.

 On 2/25/2016 10:53 PM, Albert wrote:

> The 6 cylinder P Mags have been out for a while-has anyone on the list

> used them and have a report?

>

> Albert Gardner

>

> RV-10 N991RV

>

> Yuma, AZ

>

Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1705
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 5:20 am Post subject: P Mags

From their web site it appears they may be shipping to those that 

pre-ordered, but even that is in doubt. Clearly not available to 

purchase on open market.



On 2/26/2016 2:00 AM, Bob Turner wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 I was not aware that the 6 cylinder P-mags were available. How long have they been selling them?



 --------

 Bob Turner

 RV-10 QB





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=453203#453203

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Kelly McMullen
A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor # 5286
KCHD

trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 5:49 am Post subject: P Mags

Guys



For someone who is almost an ignorant on engines, could you please explain what the P Mags are, and the pros and cons of installing them.



TIA

Carlos

Enviado do meu iPhone



No dia 26/02/2016, às 12:22, Linn Walters <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com> escreveu:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 This is interesting ....

 My buddy, another RV-10 builder, delayed shipment of his Pmags because he wasn't ready for them  and freed his up for another customer .....

 Kinda shows that they were either shipping or real close.  He'll be surprised .....

 Linn

Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1705
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 6:01 am Post subject: P Mags

1. Installing them makes your engine a non-starter. (8^) It appears none 

are available.

2. Makes completion date unpredictable.....they have been promised any 

day now for at least the past 10 years.

OK...if they ever get out the door, they are electronic ignition that 

incorporates an alternator in the unit sufficient to keep it firing if 

your electrical system fails. They have had a mostly successful 4 cyl 

product for around 15 years or more.

However, a friend with a badly behaving electrical system managed to fry 

(technical term) his P mag and the E mag resulting in engine stoppage 

about 400 ft in air from takeoff. He made it back to tell about 

it...airframe was RV-7A.

I went with Bendix magnetos, and will consider other options after I 

have 500 hours on them. There are other electronic ignition systems out 

there. Most need to retain one mag for backup, or dual electrical 

systems to provide independence from main electrical system or one on 

each system.

IF E mag (company name and original product that didn't have the 

alternator) ever get 6 cyl version out the door, at some point, once 

proven, would give ability to have dual electronic ignition without 

having to have dual electrical system.

On 2/26/2016 6:46 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Guys

 For someone who is almost an ignorant on engines, could you please explain what the P Mags are, and the pros and cons of installing them.

 TIA

 Carlos

 Enviado do meu iPhone

 No dia 26/02/2016, às 12:22, Linn Walters <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com> escreveu:

> 

>

> This is interesting ....

> My buddy, another RV-10 builder, delayed shipment of his Pmags because he wasn't ready for them  and freed his up for another customer .....

> Kinda shows that they were either shipping or real close.  He'll be surprised .....

> Linn

>

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A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor # 5286
KCHD

flysrv10(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 6:03 am Post subject: P Mags

Carlos,  I think they re talking about this product:





Rob Kermanj

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 	  Quote: 	
		   On Feb 26, 2016, at 8:46 AM, Carlos Trigo <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt> wrote:

 

 

 

 Guys

 

 For someone who is almost an ignorant on engines, could you please explain what the P Mags are, and the pros and cons of installing them.

 

 TIA

 Carlos

 

 

 Enviado do meu iPhone

 

 No dia 26/02/2016, às 12:22, Linn Walters <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com> escreveu:

 

> 

> 

> This is interesting ....

> My buddy, another RV-10 builder, delayed shipment of his Pmags because he wasn't ready for them  and freed his up for another customer ....

> Kinda shows that they were either shipping or real close.  He'll be surprised .....

> Linn

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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 6:10 am Post subject: P Mags

Still just "vapor ware" I'm afraid.



Sent from my iPhone



 	  Quote: 	
		   On Feb 26, 2016, at 7:29 AM, Linn Walters <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 This is interesting ....

 My buddy, another RV-10 builder, delayed shipment of his Pmags because he wasn't ready for them  and freed his up for another customer .....

 Kinda shows that they were either shipping or real close.  He'll be surprised .....

 Linn

 

> On 2/26/2016 6:35 AM, Ron Walker wrote:

> 

> 

> Latest from their web site:

> 

> Note 1/20/16:   We are pleased and grateful for the numerous six cylinder (Series 200) fans anxiously waiting for the product release. At this point, we are still cleaning up the operating code and electronics, in preparation for production.  Deliveries of proof-sets were pushed back.  Engineering has not yet released them for assembly, but is expected soon.

> 

>> On 2/25/2016 10:53 PM, Albert wrote:

>> The 6 cylinder P Mags have been out for a while-has anyone on the list

>> used them and have a report?

>> 

>> Albert Gardner

>> 

>> RV-10 N991RV

>> 

>> Yuma, AZ

carl.froehlich(at)verizon
Guest

Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:15 am Post subject: P Mags

Carlos,



I'm one of those RV-10 guys flying with stock mags - cursing them at every engine start and at every annual when I have to do maintenance and clean these grossly overpriced sparkplugs.



I have many happy years flying behind two four cylinder pMag in my now sold RV-8A.  I installed them after repeated failures of a dual Lightspeed ignition install.  I'm happy to report that after 600+ hours the pMags have been flawless.  The attributes follow what you would expect with electronic ignitions:

- easy start

- no plug fouling

- smooth LOP engine operation - all the way to when you lean it out so much it stops.

- use of automotive spark plugs (cheap enough to just replace at every annual)

- elimination of issues like 500 hour mag maintenance

- each pMag has its own power generator - so the old back up battery mess of other electronic ignitions is eliminated

- advance timing curve to gain engine efficiently in cruise



I (and many others) ping Brad at eMag several times a year to get out the six cylinder version.  I understand their business plan is to make this model certified for spam cans so they are going through the regulatory maze.  While they will first come out with an experimental version, I suspect they want to do their due diligence so that nothing distracts from the larger prize.  I'm guessing this will also be the platform to come out with a new, spam can certified four cylinder model down the line.



Carl



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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:44 am Post subject: P Mags

Have you considered the 6 cylinder solution from SDS?



It is available now, and (IMO) has advantages and disadvantages compared to PMags.



Sent from my iPhone



[quote] On Feb 26, 2016, at 11:14 AM, "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> wrote:

 

 

 

 Carlos,

 

 I'm one of those RV-10 guys flying with stock mags - cursing them at every engine start and at every annual when I have to do maintenance and clean these grossly overpriced sparkplugs.

 

 I have many happy years flying behind two four cylinder pMag in my now sold RV-8A.  I installed them after repeated failures of a dual Lightspeed ignition install.  I'm happy to report that after 600+ hours the pMags have been flawless.  The attributes follow what you would expect with electronic ignitions:

 - easy start

 - no plug fouling

 - smooth LOP engine operation - all the way to when you lean it out so much it stops.

 - use of automotive spark plugs (cheap enough to just replace at every annual)

 - elimination of issues like 500 hour mag maintenance

 - each pMag has its own power generator - so the old back up battery mess of other electronic ignitions is eliminated

 - advance timing curve to gain engine efficiently in cruise

 

 I (and many others) ping Brad at eMag several times a year to get out the six cylinder version.  I understand their business plan is to make this model certified for spam cans so they are going through the regulatory maze.  While they will first come out with an experimental version, I suspect they want to do their due diligence so that nothing distracts from the larger prize.  I'm guessing this will also be the platform to come out with a new, spam can certified four cylinder model down the line.

 

 Carl

 

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