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jareds(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:09 pm Post subject: 582 to 912

I've got a lead on a 912 but need a prop / oil cooler/ (i think my big 

582 radiator will work / engine mount.

Any idea how much for these items or does anyone have them?



This is new to me.  I have an EIS that i think would hook up to the 912 

for monitoring vitals.

Is there anything else i would need.  Will my cowlings all still work?



Gonna sell the firewall forward from kitfox model 4

582 grey zero time other than i did break in.

Carbs rebuilt when engine purchased.

c gearbox

3 blade wharp drive adjustable



 From ROTAX-RECREATIONAL-ENGINES-LLC

Is it ok to post it for sale on kitlist?  Not sure on the rules these days?



Thanks



Jared

Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:43 pm Post subject: 582 to 912

Hey I just did this! Much fun. You'll       certainly be happier with the 912 under heavy / hot / high       conditions. Some of what I did:

                Prop depends mostly on your budget. The only difference is           weight and looks. They all perform the same. I used a Warp           3-blade 70".         
My oil cooler is an Earl's 21608AERL off Amazon. You can go           smaller if you want. (Mine's 5" high. I think you can go 3",           depending on location. I'm in the US desert southwest.)         
582 radiator will work.         
Engine mount is made yourself or buy from Kitfox Aircraft.           If you buy from Kitfox Aircraft you'll have slight clearance           problem between the starter and the firewall right foot well.           I made a stainless blister to clear it. Some make their own           motor mounts, moving the engine forward a little to make the           install easier. I wanted my engine as far back as possible so           the Kitfox LLC mount was fine.         
I had the old GRT EIS. I sent it in to Grand Rapids and they           "refurbished" it to a model 2000 for $149 in March 2011. I had           to buy some more sensors too.         
I extended my forward cowl (radial type) 2" so it would be           right behind the spinner. You don't have to. I had an oil door           on the top cowl that I moved as well.

                  
What else you need depends a lot on what you get with the           engine. You may need:                    Oil tank (Rotax)

                      
Voltage regulator (Rotax)

                      
Exhaust system (Kitfox LLC)

                      
All the crap to put it together.         
              

Sorry, I don't have prices for any of this stuff readily         available and they'd all be ancient history anyway.

              

Feel free to post "for sale" on this site, but you'll get more         interest on Barnstormers. Inquire on Team Kitfox for parts and         accessories, as well as here.

              

Some pictures of my install before and after here:         https://b-and-n.smugmug.com/Flying/Kitfox/

              

Good luck!

              

Guy Buchanan - List moderator

         Ramona, CA

         Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. flying again

         Now a glider pilot, too.

              

       On 2/5/2016 4:07 PM, jareds wrote:

     

      	  Quote: 	
		  -->       Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds(at)verizon.net> (jareds(at)verizon.net)       

       

       I've got a lead on a 912 but need a prop / oil cooler/ (i think my       big 582 radiator will work / engine mount.       

       Any idea how much for these items or does anyone have them?       

       

       This is new to me.  I have an EIS that i think would hook up to       the 912 for monitoring vitals.       

       Is there anything else i would need.  Will my cowlings all still       work?       

       

       Gonna sell the firewall forward from kitfox model 4       

       582 grey zero time other than i did break in.       

       Carbs rebuilt when engine purchased.       

       c gearbox       

       3 blade wharp drive adjustable       

       

       From ROTAX-RECREATIONAL-ENGINES-LLC       

       Is it ok to post it for sale on kitlist?  Not sure on the rules       these days?       

       

       Thanks       

       

       Jared

_________________
Guy Buchanan
Deceased K-IV 1200
A glider pilot too.

rdmac(at)swbell.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:48 pm Post subject: 582 to 912

I have a GSC ground adjustable three blade for sale. If your interested. 



Sent from my iPad



 	  Quote: 	
		   On Feb 5, 2016, at 6:07 PM, jareds <jareds(at)verizon.net> wrote:

 

 

 

 I've got a lead on a 912 but need a prop / oil cooler/ (i think my big 582 radiator will work / engine mount.

 Any idea how much for these items or does anyone have them?

 

 This is new to me.  I have an EIS that i think would hook up to the 912 for monitoring vitals.

 Is there anything else i would need.  Will my cowlings all still work?

 

 Gonna sell the firewall forward from kitfox model 4

 582 grey zero time other than i did break in.

 Carbs rebuilt when engine purchased.

 c gearbox

 3 blade wharp drive adjustable

 

 From ROTAX-RECREATIONAL-ENGINES-LLC

 Is it ok to post it for sale on kitlist?  Not sure on the rules these days?

 

 Thanks

 

 Jared

leach(at)farmside.co.nz
Guest

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 1:44 am Post subject: 582 to 912

Hi Jared



I've got an Avid with a 912 and Avid Inc supplied the necessary parts to put 

the 912 oil tank below the baggage locker and then run two external 1/2 inch 

aluminum pipes in the slipstream under the fuse from the oil tank to the 

engine.  These pipes are a very effective oil cooler which means you don't 

need an oil radiator.  Suggest you find an Avid with a 912 and have a look 

at it.



Brian

jareds(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 5:56 am Post subject: 582 to 912

Guy,

     Wow great info.  

     Surprised there is so much to do with motor mount?

     The exhuast on this 912 is above the engine so i assume i would need     to do something below.

     Will the 582 voltage reg not work?

     Does the throttle and all under the dash need to replaced as well?

     It looked like a different linkage in your photos.

     The plane looks like show quality car show work... glad mine stays     at the ranch!!

     

     Thanks guy.. big help.

     

     

     On 2/5/2016 6:42 PM, Guy Buchanan wrote:      	  Quote: 	
		                Hey I just did this! Much fun. You'll         certainly be happier with the 912 under heavy / hot / high         conditions. Some of what I did:

                    Prop depends mostly on your budget. The only difference is             weight and looks. They all perform the same. I used a Warp             3-blade 70".           
My oil cooler is an Earl's 21608AERL off Amazon. You can             go smaller if you want. (Mine's 5" high. I think you can go             3", depending on location. I'm in the US desert southwest.)           
582 radiator will work.           
Engine mount is made yourself or buy from Kitfox Aircraft.             If you buy from Kitfox Aircraft you'll have slight clearance             problem between the starter and the firewall right foot             well. I made a stainless blister to clear it. Some make             their own motor mounts, moving the engine forward a little             to make the install easier. I wanted my engine as far back             as possible so the Kitfox LLC mount was fine.           
I had the old GRT EIS. I sent it in to Grand Rapids and             they "refurbished" it to a model 2000 for $149 in March             2011. I had to buy some more sensors too.           
I extended my forward cowl (radial type) 2" so it would be             right behind the spinner. You don't have to. I had an oil             door on the top cowl that I moved as well.

                      
What else you need depends a lot on what you get with the             engine. You may need:                        Oil tank (Rotax)

                          
Voltage regulator (Rotax)

                          
Exhaust system (Kitfox LLC)

                          
All the crap to put it together.           
                  

Sorry, I don't have prices for any of this stuff readily           available and they'd all be ancient history anyway.

                  

Feel free to post "for sale" on this site, but you'll get           more interest on Barnstormers. Inquire on Team Kitfox for           parts and accessories, as well as here.

                  

Some pictures of my install before and after here: https://b-and-n.smugmug.com/Flying/Kitfox/

                  

Good luck!

                  

Guy Buchanan - List moderator

           Ramona, CA

           Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. flying again

           Now a glider pilot, too.

                  

         On 2/5/2016 4:07 PM, jareds wrote:

       

        	  Quote: 	
		  -->          Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds(at)verizon.net> (jareds(at)verizon.net)         

         

         I've got a lead on a 912 but need a prop / oil cooler/ (i think         my big 582 radiator will work / engine mount. 

         Any idea how much for these items or does anyone have them? 

         

         This is new to me.  I have an EIS that i think would hook up to         the 912 for monitoring vitals. 

         Is there anything else i would need.  Will my cowlings all still         work? 

         

         Gonna sell the firewall forward from kitfox model 4 

         582 grey zero time other than i did break in. 

         Carbs rebuilt when engine purchased. 

         c gearbox 

         3 blade wharp drive adjustable 

         

         From ROTAX-RECREATIONAL-ENGINES-LLC 

         Is it ok to post it for sale on kitlist?  Not sure on the rules         these days? 

         

         Thanks 

         

         Jared

jareds(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 6:26 am Post subject: 582 to 912

Can't quit looking at your photos!!

     I was looking for a pic of the coolant reservior and fillcap etc??

     Did i miss it or do you have it hidden somewhere.

     

     Did you build that throttle linkage or is that from fox?

     I love your door latches.

     

     Stopped in at merle williams in phoenix one day and he has a kit     that he makes to widen the doors and give you all kinds of shoulder     room.  May build one of those some day but alot of the time i'm     flying doors open on the ranch anyway...

     

     On 2/5/2016 6:42 PM, Guy Buchanan wrote:      	  Quote: 	
		                Hey I just did this! Much fun. You'll         certainly be happier with the 912 under heavy / hot / high         conditions. Some of what I did:

                    Prop depends mostly on your budget. The only difference is             weight and looks. They all perform the same. I used a Warp             3-blade 70".           
My oil cooler is an Earl's 21608AERL off Amazon. You can             go smaller if you want. (Mine's 5" high. I think you can go             3", depending on location. I'm in the US desert southwest.)           
582 radiator will work.           
Engine mount is made yourself or buy from Kitfox Aircraft.             If you buy from Kitfox Aircraft you'll have slight clearance             problem between the starter and the firewall right foot             well. I made a stainless blister to clear it. Some make             their own motor mounts, moving the engine forward a little             to make the install easier. I wanted my engine as far back             as possible so the Kitfox LLC mount was fine.           
I had the old GRT EIS. I sent it in to Grand Rapids and             they "refurbished" it to a model 2000 for $149 in March             2011. I had to buy some more sensors too.           
I extended my forward cowl (radial type) 2" so it would be             right behind the spinner. You don't have to. I had an oil             door on the top cowl that I moved as well.

                      
What else you need depends a lot on what you get with the             engine. You may need:                        Oil tank (Rotax)

                          
Voltage regulator (Rotax)

                          
Exhaust system (Kitfox LLC)

                          
All the crap to put it together.           
                  

Sorry, I don't have prices for any of this stuff readily           available and they'd all be ancient history anyway.

                  

Feel free to post "for sale" on this site, but you'll get           more interest on Barnstormers. Inquire on Team Kitfox for           parts and accessories, as well as here.

                  

Some pictures of my install before and after here: https://b-and-n.smugmug.com/Flying/Kitfox/

                  

Good luck!

                  

Guy Buchanan - List moderator

           Ramona, CA

           Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. flying again

           Now a glider pilot, too.

                  

         On 2/5/2016 4:07 PM, jareds wrote:

       

        	  Quote: 	
		  -->          Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds(at)verizon.net> (jareds(at)verizon.net)         

         

         I've got a lead on a 912 but need a prop / oil cooler/ (i think         my big 582 radiator will work / engine mount. 

         Any idea how much for these items or does anyone have them? 

         

         This is new to me.  I have an EIS that i think would hook up to         the 912 for monitoring vitals. 

         Is there anything else i would need.  Will my cowlings all still         work? 

         

         Gonna sell the firewall forward from kitfox model 4 

         582 grey zero time other than i did break in. 

         Carbs rebuilt when engine purchased. 

         c gearbox 

         3 blade wharp drive adjustable 

         

         From ROTAX-RECREATIONAL-ENGINES-LLC 

         Is it ok to post it for sale on kitlist?  Not sure on the rules         these days? 

         

         Thanks 

         

         Jared

Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 12:03 pm Post subject: 582 to 912

See this         link before you decide to remote the oil tank. Interestingly       nothing is said about over-cooling the oil in the lines, something       I would think might be a consideration.

       

       Guy Buchanan

       Ramona, CA

       Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. flying again.

       Now a glider pilot, too.

       

       

       

       On 2/6/2016 1:43 AM, Brian Leach wrote:

     

      	  Quote: 	
		  --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brian Leach"       <leach(at)farmside.co.nz> (leach(at)farmside.co.nz)       

       

       Hi Jared       

       

       I've got an Avid with a 912 and Avid Inc supplied the necessary       parts to put the 912 oil tank below the baggage locker and then       run two external 1/2 inch aluminum pipes in the slipstream under       the fuse from the oil tank to the engine.  These pipes are a very       effective oil cooler which means you don't need an oil radiator.        Suggest you find an Avid with a 912 and have a look at it.       

       

       Brian

_________________
Guy Buchanan
Deceased K-IV 1200
A glider pilot too.

Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 12:12 pm Post subject: 582 to 912

First, you're welcome. That's what the       list is for. Not sure what you're referring to about the motor       mount, other than the motor location. I didn't mention that I       modified my motor mount to carry the ignition modules, to get them       off the motor and away from any vibration issues. I also remoted       the oil pressure sender by hanging it nearby off the carburetor       cross tube. There were concerns vibration was causing them to       fail. I also upgraded to the new fuel pump, which is supposed to       last longer.

       

       I used a Key West regulator on my 582 and said what the heck, I'll       give it a try. I fried it. Not sure why, since my plane has very       low electrical loads, but there it is. I replaced it with the       Rotax unit I got with my motor. I installed that behind the       firewall and initially had problems with radio noise, but the good       folks (Bob) at Aeroelectric Connection got me to chase down a       couple of ground loops I was running and that cured the noise       issue.

       

       I made a fairly complex throttle linkage that has the dubious       merit of keeping the carbs in sync, since they're mechanically       connected. Most just buy the two-cable friction throttle setup       from CPS or Aircraft Spruce- very simple.

       

       Guy Buchanan

       Ramona, CA

       Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. flying again.

       Now a glider pilot, too.

       

       

       

       On 2/6/2016 5:55 AM, jareds wrote:

     

      	  Quote: 	
		                Guy,

       Wow great info.  

       Surprised there is so much to do with motor mount?

       The exhuast on this 912 is above the engine so i assume i would       need to do something below.

       Will the 582 voltage reg not work?

       Does the throttle and all under the dash need to replaced as well?

       It looked like a different linkage in your photos.

       The plane looks like show quality car show work... glad mine stays       at the ranch!!

       

       Thanks guy.. big help.

_________________
Guy Buchanan
Deceased K-IV 1200
A glider pilot too.

Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 12:24 pm Post subject: 582 to 912

The coolant reservoir is the chrome       water bottle mounted to the right center of the firewall, above       midline. I'd rather have a clear but never saw any I liked. (You       can see it image IMG_0206 and the two following. Not sure why I       had file names turned off.)

       

       Yes, I built the throttle linkage. It works really well, but is       one of those experimental cost / benefit nightmares.

       

       I would have said the same thing about the door latches, except       that they work really well too, and I've never seen a replacement       even close in utility.

       

       The Merle width conversion is well worth it if you're large, like       me. (I don't have it, that's how I know.) There's some conjecture       that the conversion is faster too, by reducing drag behind the       doors. (Measured by some who have added the conversion. They're       convinced they're faster after.)

       

       Guy Buchanan

       Ramona, CA

       Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. flying again.

       Now a glider pilot, too.

       

       

       

       On 2/7/2016 6:25 AM, jareds wrote:

     

      	  Quote: 	
		                Can't quit looking at your photos!!

       I was looking for a pic of the coolant reservior and fillcap etc??

       Did i miss it or do you have it hidden somewhere.

       

       Did you build that throttle linkage or is that from fox?

       I love your door latches.

       

       Stopped in at merle williams in phoenix one day and he has a kit       that he makes to widen the doors and give you all kinds of       shoulder room.  May build one of those some day but alot of the       time i'm flying doors open on the ranch anyway...

_________________
Guy Buchanan
Deceased K-IV 1200
A glider pilot too.

mlpaton2000(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 8:58 am Post subject: 582 to 912

Hi Jared,

I took the doors off mine , we live in sub tropical Africa so its never cool !!!

Michael Paton

 

    On Sunday, February 7, 2016 4:35 PM, jareds <jareds(at)verizon.net> wrote:



  



      Can't quit looking at your photos!!     I was looking for a pic of the coolant reservior and fillcap etc??     Did i miss it or do you have it hidden somewhere.          Did you build that throttle linkage or is that from fox?     I love your door latches.          Stopped in at merle williams in phoenix one day and he has a kit     that he makes to widen the doors and give you all kinds of shoulder     room.  May build one of those some day but alot of the time i'm     flying doors open on the ranch anyway...          On 2/5/2016 6:42 PM, Guy Buchanan wrote:      	  Quote: 	
		         	


Hey I just did this! Much fun. You'll         certainly be happier with the 912 under heavy / hot / high         conditions. Some of what I did:         Prop depends mostly on your budget. The only difference is             weight and looks. They all perform the same. I used a Warp             3-blade 70".
My oil cooler is an Earl's 21608AERL off Amazon. You can             go smaller if you want. (Mine's 5" high. I think you can go             3", depending on location. I'm in the US desert southwest.)
582 radiator will work.
Engine mount is made yourself or buy from Kitfox Aircraft.             If you buy from Kitfox Aircraft you'll have slight clearance             problem between the starter and the firewall right foot             well. I made a stainless blister to clear it. Some make             their own motor mounts, moving the engine forward a little             to make the install easier. I wanted my engine as far back             as possible so the Kitfox LLC mount was fine.
I had the old GRT EIS. I sent it in to Grand Rapids and             they "refurbished" it to a model 2000 for $149 in March             2011. I had to buy some more sensors too.
I extended my forward cowl (radial type) 2" so it would be             right behind the spinner. You don't have to. I had an oil             door on the top cowl that I moved as well.           
What else you need depends a lot on what you get with the             engine. You may need:Oil tank (Rotax)             
Voltage regulator (Rotax)             
Exhaust system (Kitfox LLC)             
All the crap to put it together.         Sorry, I don't have prices for any of this stuff readily           available and they'd all be ancient history anyway.         

         Feel free to post "for sale" on this site, but you'll get           more interest on Barnstormers. Inquire on Team Kitfox for           parts and accessories, as well as here.         

         Some pictures of my install before and after here: https://b-and-n.smugmug.com/Flying/Kitfox/         

         Good luck!         

         Guy Buchanan - List moderator           Ramona, CA           Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. flying again           Now a glider pilot, too.         

                  On 2/5/2016 4:07 PM, jareds wrote:       

        	  Quote: 	
		  -->          Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds(at)verizon.net> (jareds(at)verizon.net)                           I've got a lead on a 912 but need a prop / oil cooler/ (i think         my big 582 radiator will work / engine mount.          Any idea how much for these items or does anyone have them?                   This is new to me.  I have an EIS that i think would hook up to         the 912 for monitoring vitals.          Is there anything else i would need.  Will my cowlings all still         work?                   Gonna sell the firewall forward from kitfox model 4          582 grey zero time other than i did break in.          Carbs rebuilt when engine purchased.          c gearbox          3 blade wharp drive adjustable                   From ROTAX-RECREATIONAL-ENGINES-LLC          Is it ok to post it for sale on kitlist?  Not sure on the rules         these days?                   Thanks                   Jared

jareds(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 6:21 am Post subject: 582 to 912

On 2/5/2016 6:42 PM, Guy Buchanan wrote:      	  Quote: 	
		                Hey I just did this! Much fun. You'll         certainly be happier with the 912 under heavy / hot / high         conditions. Some of what I did:

                    Prop depends mostly on your budget. The only difference is             weight and looks. They all perform the same. I used a Warp             3-blade 70".           
My oil cooler is an Earl's 21608AERL off Amazon. You can             go smaller if you want. (Mine's 5" high. I think you can go             3", depending on location. I'm in the US desert southwest.)           
582 radiator will work.           
Engine mount is made yourself or buy from Kitfox Aircraft.             If you buy from Kitfox Aircraft you'll have slight clearance             problem between the starter and the firewall right foot             well. I made a stainless blister to clear it. Some make             their own motor mounts, moving the engine forward a little             to make the install easier. I wanted my engine as far back             as possible so the Kitfox LLC mount was fine.           
I had the old GRT EIS. I sent it in to Grand Rapids and             they "refurbished" it to a model 2000 for $149 in March             2011. I had to buy some more sensors too.           
I extended my forward cowl (radial type) 2" so it would be             right behind the spinner. You don't have to. I had an oil             door on the top cowl that I moved as well.

                      
What else you need depends a lot on what you get with the             engine. You may need:                        Oil tank (Rotax)

                          
Voltage regulator (Rotax)

                          
Exhaust system (Kitfox LLC)

                          
All the crap to put it together.           
                  

Sorry, I don't have prices for any of this stuff readily           available and they'd all be ancient history anyway.

                  

Feel free to post "for sale" on this site, but you'll get           more interest on Barnstormers. Inquire on Team Kitfox for           parts and accessories, as well as here.

                  

Some pictures of my install before and after here: https://b-and-n.smugmug.com/Flying/Kitfox/

                  

Good luck!

                  

Guy Buchanan - List moderator

           Ramona, CA

           Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. flying again

           Now a glider pilot, too.

                  

         On 2/5/2016 4:07 PM, jareds wrote:

       

        	  Quote: 	
		  -->          Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds(at)verizon.net> (jareds(at)verizon.net)         

         

         I've got a lead on a 912 but need a prop / oil cooler/ (i think         my big 582 radiator will work / engine mount. 

         Any idea how much for these items or does anyone have them? 

         

         This is new to me.  I have an EIS that i think would hook up to         the 912 for monitoring vitals. 

         Is there anything else i would need.  Will my cowlings all still         work? 

         

         Gonna sell the firewall forward from kitfox model 4 

         582 grey zero time other than i did break in. 

         Carbs rebuilt when engine purchased. 

         c gearbox 

         3 blade wharp drive adjustable 

         

         From ROTAX-RECREATIONAL-ENGINES-LLC 

         Is it ok to post it for sale on kitlist?  Not sure on the rules         these days? 

         

         Thanks 

         

         Jared

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