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wschertz343(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 5:25 am Post subject: Posting order

BTW, isn't it going to be fun to parse this conversation for someone who

comes in at the end, and tries to sort out the posting order?



Charlie



(Written by someone who despises top-posting. Never seen a book with

each succeeding paragraph written above the previous one....)

-------------------------

Charlie,

I tend to agree with you, however there is a novel that is told in reverse 

order and works



THE OCTOBER LIST

by

Jeffery Deaver



Bill Schertz

KIS Cruiser N343BS

13-B rotary



(now living in Montana)

kenryan

Joined: 20 Oct 2009
Posts: 426

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 7:11 am Post subject: Posting order

Don't most forums allow the user to choose between "oldest first" and "newest first?"



On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 4:24 AM, Bill Schertz <wschertz343(at)gmail.com (wschertz343(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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 BTW, isn't it going to be fun to parse this conversation for someone who

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 Charlie

 

 (Written by someone who despises top-posting. Never seen a book with

 each succeeding paragraph written above the previous one....)

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 Charlie,

 I tend to agree with you, however there is a novel that is told in reverse order and works

 

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email(at)jaredyates.com
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 7:24 am Post subject: Posting order

For those of us who interact via email, your bottom postings aren't as convenient, but I don't go around complaining about it 



Do not archive



 	  Quote: 	
		   On Mar 6, 2016, at 08:24, Bill Schertz <wschertz343(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 BTW, isn't it going to be fun to parse this conversation for someone who

 comes in at the end, and tries to sort out the posting order?

 

 Charlie

 

 (Written by someone who despises top-posting. Never seen a book with

 each succeeding paragraph written above the previous one....)

 -------------------------

 Charlie,

 I tend to agree with you, however there is a novel that is told in reverse order and works

 

 THE OCTOBER LIST

 by

 Jeffery Deaver

 

 Bill Schertz

 KIS Cruiser N343BS

 13-B rotary

 

 (now living in Montana)

deej(at)deej.net
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 8:09 am Post subject: Posting order

FWIW, the Internet Etiquette RFC 1855 provides guidelines to crop the 

text you are replying to just the relevant part, with your reply below 

that text.



"If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you

summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just

enough text of the original to give a context.  This will make

sure readers understand when they start to read your response."



https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt

This post sums it up fairly well:



https://www.redhat.com/archives/shrike-list/2003-August/msg00529.html

Top posting puts things out of order and makes comprehension very 

difficult IMHO, especially if someone is replying to a specific part of 

the previous message.



Lots of opinions on this topic, even more so than which primer to use... 

  



-Dj, an old fart that has been on the "Internet" longer than it has been 

called that... 



-- 

Dj Merrill - N1JOV - EAA Chapter 87

Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/

Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/

handainc(at)madisoncounty
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 10:23 am Post subject: Posting order

Well.... I for one disagree with all of that and prefer top posting.  But I feel no need to tilt windmills or to try to enforce my preferences in life on other folks!  I agree with Jared.  And I try to keep my obsessive compulsive urges to my private life and out of my interactions with other folks that may not suffer from the same compulsions!  I am probably older that you are and long ago learned that life is more fun when I learned to "agree to disagree"!  



Sent from my iPad



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		   On Mar 6, 2016, at 10:08 AM, Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net> wrote:

 

 

 

 FWIW, the Internet Etiquette RFC 1855 provides guidelines to crop the text you are replying to just the relevant part, with your reply below that text.

 

 "If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you

 summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just

 enough text of the original to give a context.  This will make

 sure readers understand when they start to read your response."

 

 https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt

 

 

 This post sums it up fairly well:

 

 https://www.redhat.com/archives/shrike-list/2003-August/msg00529.html

 

 

 Top posting puts things out of order and makes comprehension very difficult IMHO, especially if someone is replying to a specific part of the previous message.

 

 Lots of opinions on this topic, even more so than which primer to use...  

 

 -Dj, an old fart that has been on the "Internet" longer than it has been called that... 

 

 -- 

 Dj Merrill - N1JOV - EAA Chapter 87

 Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/

 Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/

deej(at)deej.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 10:41 am Post subject: Posting order

On 3/6/2016 1:22 PM, H. Marvin Haught Jr wrote:

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		   But I feel no need to tilt windmills or to try to enforce my preferences in life on other folks!


	


Excellent!  So you'll trim and bottom post from now on so as to not 

force your behaviour onto others?  *wink*



Learned a long time ago to "agree to disagree" and tolerate (most of) 

other people's quirks.



The one major pet peeve is people leaving the entire post and not 

trimming the extra cruft from the message, whether it is on top or 

bottom.  It gets a bit ridiculous when a one line reply is a thousand 

line email message.  There is simply no excuse for that!  



It also happens to be one of the rules of this Forum:



"The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the 

AeroElectric-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide 

by the rules therein. Failure to use the AeroElectric-List in the manner 

described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List."



"When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your 

response.  DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the 

reader to the topic at hand, but be selective.  The impact that 

quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive 

can not be overstated!"



http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm



-Dj



-- 

Dj Merrill - N1JOV - EAA Chapter 87

Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/

Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/

lyleapgmc

Joined: 19 Feb 2014
Posts: 57

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 10:44 am Post subject: Posting order

I did prefer top posting but am rethinking that now.

What is very annoying and confusing is when someone responds to a thread 

that has mentioned several possibilities.     The response comes several 

emails later and is something like, "I did that and it worked", or "I 

use those all the time."  Did what?  Used what?   The post is really 

pretty useless without some quote from the post being responded to.

On 3/6/2016 12:22 PM, H. Marvin Haught Jr wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Well.... I for one disagree with all of that and prefer top posting.  But I feel no need to tilt windmills or to try to enforce my preferences in life on other folks!  I agree with Jared.  And I try to keep my obsessive compulsive urges to my private life and out of my interactions with other folks that may not suffer from the same compulsions!  I am probably older that you are and long ago learned that life is more fun when I learned to "agree to disagree"!  

 Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 6, 2016, at 10:08 AM, Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net> wrote:

>

> 

>

> FWIW, the Internet Etiquette RFC 1855 provides guidelines to crop the text you are replying to just the relevant part, with your reply below that text.

>

> "If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you

> summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just

> enough text of the original to give a context.  This will make

> sure readers understand when they start to read your response."

>

> https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt

> This post sums it up fairly well:

>

> https://www.redhat.com/archives/shrike-list/2003-August/msg00529.html

> Top posting puts things out of order and makes comprehension very difficult IMHO, especially if someone is replying to a specific part of the previous message.

>

> Lots of opinions on this topic, even more so than which primer to use...  

>

> -Dj, an old fart that has been on the "Internet" longer than it has been called that... 

>

> -- 

> Dj Merrill - N1JOV - EAA Chapter 87

> Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/

> Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/

>

email(at)jaredyates.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:42 am Post subject: Posting order

I figure if Matt was really concerned about the size of the archive, he wouldn't append the 20 or so lines that he does to the end of each message. 

Do not archive

 	  Quote: 	
		   On Mar 6, 2016, at 13:40, Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net> wrote:

> On 3/6/2016 1:22 PM, H. Marvin Haught Jr wrote:

> But I feel no need to tilt windmills or to try to enforce my preferences in life on other folks!

 Excellent!  So you'll trim and bottom post from now on so as to not force your behaviour onto others?  *wink*

 Learned a long time ago to "agree to disagree" and tolerate (most of) other people's quirks.

 The one major pet peeve is people leaving the entire post and not trimming the extra cruft from the message, whether it is on top or bottom.  It gets a bit ridiculous when a one line reply is a thousand line email message.  There is simply no excuse for that!  

 It also happens to be one of the rules of this Forum:

 "The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the AeroElectric-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the AeroElectric-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List."

 "When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response.  DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective.  The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated!"

 http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm

 -Dj

 -- 

 Dj Merrill - N1JOV - EAA Chapter 87

 Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/

 Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/

raymondj(at)frontiernet.n
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 2:58 pm Post subject: Posting order

I think the choice of where to post depends on whether the exchange is 

viewed as a conversation or as building an archive.

For a conversation, it's not necessary to review everything that has 

been said each time a reply is made.  The latest addition to the 

conversation is immediately presented. Hence the preference for top posting.

For later reading in an archive, bottom posting perhaps makes it more 

convenient to read.

I subscribe to the list as email, so my comments refer to that format.

do not archive

Raymond Julian

Kettle River, MN

The things we admire in men, kindness and generosity, openness, honesty, 

understanding and feeling are the concomitants of failure in our system. 

And those traits we detest, sharpness, greed, acquisitiveness, meanness, 

egotism and self-interest are the traits of success. And while men 

admire the quality of the first they love the produce of the second. 

-John Steinbeck, novelist, Nobel laureate (1902-1968)

On 03/06/2016 12:22 PM, H. Marvin Haught Jr wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Well.... I for one disagree with all of that and prefer top posting.  But I feel no need to tilt windmills or to try to enforce my preferences in life on other folks!  I agree with Jared.  And I try to keep my obsessive compulsive urges to my private life and out of my interactions with other folks that may not suffer from the same compulsions!  I am probably older that you are and long ago learned that life is more fun when I learned to "agree to disagree"!  

 Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 6, 2016, at 10:08 AM, Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net> wrote:

>

> 

>

> FWIW, the Internet Etiquette RFC 1855 provides guidelines to crop the text you are replying to just the relevant part, with your reply below that text.

>

> "If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you

> summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just

> enough text of the original to give a context.  This will make

> sure readers understand when they start to read your response."

>

> https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt

> This post sums it up fairly well:

>

> https://www.redhat.com/archives/shrike-list/2003-August/msg00529.html

> Top posting puts things out of order and makes comprehension very difficult IMHO, especially if someone is replying to a specific part of the previous message.

>

> Lots of opinions on this topic, even more so than which primer to use...  

>

> -Dj, an old fart that has been on the "Internet" longer than it has been called that... 

>

> --

> Dj Merrill - N1JOV - EAA Chapter 87

> Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/

> Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/

>

ceengland7(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 4:19 pm Post subject: Posting order

OK, since I'm the one who kicked the hive, I'll try to explain why I did.



As I said, I prefer bottom posting, because top down has been the 

'normal' flow of a document in the western world for at least a couple 

of millennia and when I read a document, I expect to start at the top & 

read down through the document.



However, when I'm responding to an email post & I'm 2nd to respond, I 

try to conform to the 1st responder's method. If the 1st response was a 

top post, I'll try to top post, as well. At least someone subsequently 

reading the thread can start at the bottom & read posts 'bottom up', *in 

order*. Very inconvenient, but at least doable.



My complaint was triggered by the fact that the 1st response (just 

happened to be mine in this particular case) was a bottom post, and the 

next response was at the top. When this continues, with each response in 

the responder's preferred location, we get a completely randomized order 

to the posts and it becomes very difficult, if not impossible, to sort 

out what's being said and who's responding to what.



As others have mentioned, if the exchange is a conversation, especially 

between just a couple of people, then it really doesn't matter since 

neither will be going back to read that conversation later anyway (and 

probably should have been marked with a 'do not archive' trigger, since 

it has no lasting value).



But when you're archiving actual information that could be useful to 

others at a later date, you've got an archive with little to no use.



I've never been a fan of the forum format, but I'm beginning to see some 

value in it, because it tends to render this debate moot.



My apologies if I offended; my intention was to point out that 

inconsistent top/bottom posting renders the resulting document, let's 

just say, less than useful.



Charlie

On 3/6/2016 4:53 PM, rayj wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 I think the choice of where to post depends on whether the exchange is 

 viewed as a conversation or as building an archive.



 For a conversation, it's not necessary to review everything that has 

 been said each time a reply is made.  The latest addition to the 

 conversation is immediately presented. Hence the preference for top 

 posting.



 For later reading in an archive, bottom posting perhaps makes it more 

 convenient to read.



 I subscribe to the list as email, so my comments refer to that format.



 do not archive



 Raymond Julian

 Kettle River, MN



 The things we admire in men, kindness and generosity, openness, 

 honesty, understanding and feeling are the concomitants of failure in 

 our system. And those traits we detest, sharpness, greed, 

 acquisitiveness, meanness, egotism and self-interest are the traits of 

 success. And while men admire the quality of the first they love the 

 produce of the second. -John Steinbeck, novelist, Nobel laureate 

 (1902-1968)



 On 03/06/2016 12:22 PM, H. Marvin Haught Jr wrote:

> 

> <handainc(at)madisoncounty.net>

>

> Well.... I for one disagree with all of that and prefer top posting.  

> But I feel no need to tilt windmills or to try to enforce my 

> preferences in life on other folks!  I agree with Jared.  And I try 

> to keep my obsessive compulsive urges to my private life and out of 

> my interactions with other folks that may not suffer from the same 

> compulsions!  I am probably older that you are and long ago learned 

> that life is more fun when I learned to "agree to disagree"!  

>

> Sent from my iPad

>

>> On Mar 6, 2016, at 10:08 AM, Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net> wrote:

>>

>> 

>>

>> FWIW, the Internet Etiquette RFC 1855 provides guidelines to crop 

>> the text you are replying to just the relevant part, with your reply 

>> below that text.

>>

>> "If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you

>> summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just

>> enough text of the original to give a context.  This will make

>> sure readers understand when they start to read your response."

>>

>> https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt

>>

>>

>> This post sums it up fairly well:

>>

>> https://www.redhat.com/archives/shrike-list/2003-August/msg00529.html

>>

>>

>> Top posting puts things out of order and makes comprehension very 

>> difficult IMHO, especially if someone is replying to a specific part 

>> of the previous message.

>>

>> Lots of opinions on this topic, even more so than which primer to 

>> use...  

>>

>> -Dj, an old fart that has been on the "Internet" longer than it has 

>> been called that... 

>>

>> -- 

>> Dj Merrill - N1JOV - EAA Chapter 87

>> Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/

>> Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

JOHN TIPTON

Joined: 17 Sep 2006
Posts: 239
Location: Torquay - England

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 12:24 am Post subject: Posting order

But do we need to see a diatribe by Steinbeck too !!!

Sent from my iPad

     ----x--O--x----

 	  Quote: 	
		   On 6 Mar 2016, at 10:53 pm, rayj <raymondj(at)frontiernet.net> wrote:

 I think the choice of where to post depends on whether the exchange is viewed as a conversation or as building an archive.

 For a conversation, it's not necessary to review everything that has been said each time a reply is made.  The latest addition to the conversation is immediately presented. Hence the preference for top posting.

 For later reading in an archive, bottom posting perhaps makes it more convenient to read.

 I subscribe to the list as email, so my comments refer to that format.

 do not archive

 Raymond Julian

 Kettle River, MN

 The things we admire in men, kindness and generosity, openness, honesty, understanding and feeling are the concomitants of failure in our system. And those traits we detest, sharpness, greed, acquisitiveness, meanness, egotism and self-interest are the traits of success. And while men admire the quality of the first they love the produce of the second. -John Steinbeck, novelist, Nobel laureate (1902-1968)

> On 03/06/2016 12:22 PM, H. Marvin Haught Jr wrote:

> 

> 

> Well.... I for one disagree with all of that and prefer top posting.  But I feel no need to tilt windmills or to try to enforce my preferences in life on other folks!  I agree with Jared.  And I try to keep my obsessive compulsive urges to my private life and out of my interactions with other folks that may not suffer from the same compulsions!  I am probably older that you are and long ago learned that life is more fun when I learned to "agree to disagree"!  

> 

> Sent from my iPad

> 

>> On Mar 6, 2016, at 10:08 AM, Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net> wrote:

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> FWIW, the Internet Etiquette RFC 1855 provides guidelines to crop the text you are replying to just the relevant part, with your reply below that text.

>> 

>> "If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you

>> summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just

>> enough text of the original to give a context.  This will make

>> sure readers understand when they start to read your response."

>> 

>> https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt

>> 

>> 

>> This post sums it up fairly well:

>> 

>> https://www.redhat.com/archives/shrike-list/2003-August/msg00529.html

>> 

>> 

>> Top posting puts things out of order and makes comprehension very difficult IMHO, especially if someone is replying to a specific part of the previous message.

>> 

>> Lots of opinions on this topic, even more so than which primer to use...  

>> 

>> -Dj, an old fart that has been on the "Internet" longer than it has been called that... 

>> 

>> --

>> Dj Merrill - N1JOV - EAA Chapter 87

>> Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/

>> Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/

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