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wdaniell.longport(at)gmai
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:15 am Post subject: Getting the trim motor out

Somewhat to my dismay, (tho i dare say it would have been a little more dismaying in flight) I have discovered loose connection to the trim.   I suspect the connection twixt 5 core wire and trim motor. 

I did thoroughly check it before i put the top on. 

I think I  need to get the trim motor out as I cant see a way of getting to it to check the wires. 

Is there a trick to this? 

Thanks Will

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klinefelter.kevin(at)gmai
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 12:00 pm Post subject: Getting the trim motor out

I had the RayAllen relay go bad on my trim a while back. 

Do you have a relay?



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On Mar 13, 2016, at 12:14 PM, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com (wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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Somewhat to my dismay, (tho i dare say it would have been a little more dismaying in flight) I have discovered loose connection to the trim.   I suspect the connection twixt 5 core wire and trim motor. 

I did thoroughly check it before i put the top on. 

I think I  need to get the trim motor out as I cant see a way of getting to it to check the wires. 

Is there a trick to this? 

Thanks Will

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wdaniell.longport(at)gmai
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 12:05 pm Post subject: Getting the trim motor out

Ummm dunno.  Its the stuff that came with the kit.

 Will On Mar 13, 2016 3:03 PM, "Kevin Klinefelter" <klinefelter.kevin(at)gmail.com (klinefelter.kevin(at)gmail.com)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
		  I had the RayAllen relay go bad on my trim a while back. 

Do you have a relay?



Sent from my iPhone



On Mar 13, 2016, at 12:14 PM, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com (wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

Somewhat to my dismay, (tho i dare say it would have been a little more dismaying in flight) I have discovered loose connection to the trim.   I suspect the connection twixt 5 core wire and trim motor. 

I did thoroughly check it before i put the top on. 

I think I  need to get the trim motor out as I cant see a way of getting to it to check the wires. 

Is there a trick to this? 

Thanks Will

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klinefelter.kevin(at)gmai
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 12:33 pm Post subject: Getting the trim motor out

If you have two trim controls, one on the stick and one by the trim display perhaps, then there is a relay between them. 



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On Mar 13, 2016, at 1:04 PM, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com (wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

Ummm dunno.  Its the stuff that came with the kit.

 Will On Mar 13, 2016 3:03 PM, "Kevin Klinefelter" <klinefelter.kevin(at)gmail.com (klinefelter.kevin(at)gmail.com)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
		  I had the RayAllen relay go bad on my trim a while back. 

Do you have a relay?



Sent from my iPhone



On Mar 13, 2016, at 12:14 PM, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com (wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

Somewhat to my dismay, (tho i dare say it would have been a little more dismaying in flight) I have discovered loose connection to the trim.   I suspect the connection twixt 5 core wire and trim motor. 

I did thoroughly check it before i put the top on. 

I think I  need to get the trim motor out as I cant see a way of getting to it to check the wires. 

Is there a trick to this? 

Thanks Will

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wdaniell.longport(at)gmai
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 1:07 pm Post subject: Getting the trim motor out

Nope...just the panel mount rocker. On 13 Mar 2016 15:36, "Kevin Klinefelter" <klinefelter.kevin(at)gmail.com (klinefelter.kevin(at)gmail.com)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
		  If you have two trim controls, one on the stick and one by the trim display perhaps, then there is a relay between them. 



Sent from my iPhone



On Mar 13, 2016, at 1:04 PM, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com (wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

Ummm dunno.  Its the stuff that came with the kit.

 Will On Mar 13, 2016 3:03 PM, "Kevin Klinefelter" <klinefelter.kevin(at)gmail.com (klinefelter.kevin(at)gmail.com)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
		  I had the RayAllen relay go bad on my trim a while back. 

Do you have a relay?



Sent from my iPhone



On Mar 13, 2016, at 12:14 PM, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com (wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

Somewhat to my dismay, (tho i dare say it would have been a little more dismaying in flight) I have discovered loose connection to the trim.   I suspect the connection twixt 5 core wire and trim motor. 

I did thoroughly check it before i put the top on. 

I think I  need to get the trim motor out as I cant see a way of getting to it to check the wires. 

Is there a trick to this? 

Thanks Will

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stranfaer(at)btinternet.c
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 1:23 pm Post subject: Getting the trim motor out

It was the trim relay that caused my problem in September, google AAIB G-BXGG for details, trim gave full back stick on take off completely uncommanded.

Kevin what happened with yours?

rgds

David

The other one 





 

    On Sunday, 13 March 2016, 19:59, Kevin Klinefelter <klinefelter.kevin(at)gmail.com> wrote:



  



 I had the RayAllen relay go bad on my trim a while back. 

Do you have a relay?Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 13, 2016, at 12:14 PM, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com (wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Somewhat to my dismay, (tho i dare say it would have been a little more dismaying in flight) I have discovered loose connection to the trim.   I suspect the connection twixt 5 core wire and trim motor.

 I did thoroughly check it before i put the top on.

 I think I  need to get the trim motor out as I cant see a way of getting to it to check the wires.

 Is there a trick to this?

 Thanks Will

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ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 1:52 pm Post subject: Getting the trim motor out

Hi! Will

I had a Ray Allen Relay deck fail on a dual trim control system. I had a problem which wouldn’t reverse the trim until it reached fully trimmed nose up mode . Once trim up had been engaged it would not reverse until the motor reached its full limit , then it would reverse. I may add that this scenario was very hairy since the stick loads were so intense it needed the passenger to assist.  In the end I used to allow it to go momentarily fully up without restraint , but it took some “guts” to allow that . You would not land the aircraft with full trim up loads held on the control stick.( not withstanding the loads encountered would test the controls to the limit!)

I had this issue twice and Ray Allen on both occasions claimed it to be a wiring installation issue ......not their motor or Relay deck. On the third occasion , I discovered that they had introduced a MK II relay deck  and on discussion with them they advised that they had discovered an inbuilt fault in the Mark I version of the deck in that as soon as the fault was reversed it hid the fault of failure to reverse. I had to ask them ......they did not volunteer the information and twice actually insisted it was a fault in my wiring 

I changed the relay deck for the Mark II supplied at a discount and have had no problem since.  However not before having “pulled” the motor twice on wasted errands!

I had on original build predicted the necessity to remove the trim motor and arranged it’s mounting with “ home brewed” stiff nuts held in place specially for such a “jiggery pokery” issue . So you will get to change the motor with great difficulty !  Be well advised to check out every last detail of motor and relay deck and even change the MKI deck for a MK II as a matter of course prior to “digging” the motor out !

Regards

Bob Harrison G-PTAG . 

 

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Sent: 13 March 2016 19:14

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Subject: Getting the trim motor out



 

Somewhat to my dismay, (tho i dare say it would have been a little more dismaying in flight) I have discovered loose connection to the trim.   I suspect the connection twixt 5 core wire and trim motor.

I did thoroughly check it before i put the top on.

I think I  need to get the trim motor out as I cant see a way of getting to it to check the wires.

Is there a trick to this?

Thanks Will

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klinefelter.kevin(at)gmai
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 2:03 pm Post subject: Getting the trim motor out

Mine just became intermittent, no uncommanded runaways.

Will, if you don't have more than just the one rocker switch then you would not have a relay.



On Mar 13, 2016, at 2:19 PM, <stranfaer(at)btinternet.com (stranfaer(at)btinternet.com)> <stranfaer(at)btinternet.com (stranfaer(at)btinternet.com)> wrote:

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It was the trim relay that caused my problem in September, google AAIB G-BXGG for details, trim gave full back stick on take off completely uncommanded.

Kevin what happened with yours?

rgds

David

The other one 





 

    On Sunday, 13 March 2016, 19:59, Kevin Klinefelter <klinefelter.kevin(at)gmail.com (klinefelter.kevin(at)gmail.com)> wrote:



  



 I had the RayAllen relay go bad on my trim a while back. 

Do you have a relay?Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 13, 2016, at 12:14 PM, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com (wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Somewhat to my dismay, (tho i dare say it would have been a little more dismaying in flight) I have discovered loose connection to the trim.   I suspect the connection twixt 5 core wire and trim motor.

 I did thoroughly check it before i put the top on.

 I think I  need to get the trim motor out as I cant see a way of getting to it to check the wires.

 Is there a trick to this?

 Thanks Will

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