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fredorosa(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2016 4:52 pm Post subject: Another Cruiser first.

OC,  Here's the stainless leading edges on the tail feathers.The wings will have the same.

I decided to do this because I wanted a different look from the usual white plane with wavy colored lines.

The useful attribute is protection from dings by kicked up pebbles, etc.

Al

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Robert Reed

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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 10:58 am Post subject: Another Cruiser first.

Al 



That looks good and sounds like a great way to protect the leading edges. Where did you get the SS?

Bob Reed

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		   On Apr 23, 2016, at 7:52 PM, Alfred Rosa <fredorosa(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 

 OC,  Here's the stainless leading edges on the tail feathers.

 The wings will have the same.

 

 I decided to do this because I wanted a different look from the usual white plane with wavy colored lines.

 

 The useful attribute is protection from dings by kicked up pebbles, etc.

 

 Al

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fredorosa(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:43 am Post subject: Another Cruiser first.

Got the SS online from a manufacturer of sheet steel.  It was a 50' roll of 8"cut off.  A bitch to bend lengthwise even though it's thin stuff.  Had to use two angle irons - one on each side - and squeeze together with pipe clamps. I laid a pipe on the SS to help control the shape of the bend. 

Bob, I saw pics of a Lycoming hanging off the nose of your plane on your web site.  I could have sworn you had gotten a Continental. 

Al

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		   On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:57 PM, Robert Reed <robertr237(at)att.net> wrote:

 Al 

 That looks good and sounds like a great way to protect the leading edges. Where did you get the SS?

 Bob Reed

 Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 23, 2016, at 7:52 PM, Alfred Rosa <fredorosa(at)gmail.com> wrote:

> 

> OC,  Here's the stainless leading edges on the tail feathers.

> The wings will have the same.

> 

> I decided to do this because I wanted a different look from the usual white plane with wavy colored lines.

> 

> The useful attribute is protection from dings by kicked up pebbles, etc.

> 

> Al

> <IMG_0621.jpg>

Robert Reed

Joined: 22 Oct 2009
Posts: 331
Location: Dallas/Ft.Worth

Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:54 am Post subject: Another Cruiser first.

That sounds like a lot of work but may be worth the effort if you ever encounter a bird strike. 

Superior IOF-360.  

Bob Reed

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		   On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Alfred Rosa <fredorosa(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 Got the SS online from a manufacturer of sheet steel.  It was a 50' roll of 8"cut off.  A bitch to bend lengthwise even though it's thin stuff.  Had to use two angle irons - one on each side - and squeeze together with pipe clamps. I laid a pipe on the SS to help control the shape of the bend. 

 Bob, I saw pics of a Lycoming hanging off the nose of your plane on your web site.  I could have sworn you had gotten a Continental. 

 Al

 Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:57 PM, Robert Reed <robertr237(at)att.net> wrote:

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> Al 

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> That looks good and sounds like a great way to protect the leading edges. Where did you get the SS?

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> Bob Reed

> Sent from my iPhone

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>> On Apr 23, 2016, at 7:52 PM, Alfred Rosa <fredorosa(at)gmail.com> wrote:

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>> OC,  Here's the stainless leading edges on the tail feathers.

>> The wings will have the same.

>> 

>> I decided to do this because I wanted a different look from the usual white plane with wavy colored lines.

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>> The useful attribute is protection from dings by kicked up pebbles, etc.

>> 

>> Al

>> <IMG_0621.jpg>

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aeromomentum(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 3:23 pm Post subject: Another Cruiser first.

Another option to get a similar look is stainless steel foil tape:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/15D571-Foil-Tape-3-In-x-3-Yd-Stainless-Steel-/221574057967



I am sure it is not as much protection but it is lighter and more simple to do.



Now put this under it for deicing...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Flex-Watt-Heat-Tape-Reptile-Pet-Terrarium-Cage-Egg-Incubator-Heater-Warmer-/230921106672



Mark K.



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On Sun, 4/24/16, Robert Reed <robertr237(at)att.net> wrote:



 Subject: Re: Another Cruiser first.

 To: kis-list(at)matronics.com

 Date: Sunday, April 24, 2016, 3:54 PM

 

 

 Robert Reed <robertr237(at)att.net>

 

 That sounds like a lot of work but may be worth the effort

 if you ever encounter a bird strike. 

 

 Superior IOF-360.  

 

 Bob Reed

 Sent from my iPhone

 

 > On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Alfred Rosa <fredorosa(at)gmail.com>

 wrote:

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > Got the SS online from a manufacturer of sheet

 steel.  It was a 50' roll of 8"cut off.  A bitch

 to bend lengthwise even though it's thin stuff.  Had to

 use two angle irons - one on each side - and squeeze

 together with pipe clamps. I laid a pipe on the SS to help

 control the shape of the bend. 

 > 

 > Bob, I saw pics of a Lycoming hanging off the nose of

 your plane on your web site.  I could have sworn you

 had gotten a Continental. 

 > 

 > Al

 > 

 > 

 > Sent from my iPhone

 > 

 >> On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:57 PM, Robert Reed <robertr237(at)att.net>

 wrote:

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 <robertr237(at)att.net>

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 >> Al 

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 >> That looks good and sounds like a great way to

 protect the leading edges. Where did you get the SS?

 >> 

 >> 

 >> Bob Reed

 >> Sent from my iPhone

 >> 

 >>> On Apr 23, 2016, at 7:52 PM, Alfred Rosa <fredorosa(at)gmail.com>

 wrote:

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 >>> OC,  Here's the stainless leading edges on

 the tail feathers.

 >>> The wings will have the same.

 >>> 

 >>> I decided to do this because I wanted a

 different look from the usual white plane with wavy colored

 lines.

 >>> 

 >>> The useful attribute is protection from dings

 by kicked up pebbles, etc.

 >>> 

 >>> Al

 >>> <IMG_0621.jpg>

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jerzy_krasinski(at)sbcglo
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:20 am Post subject: Another Cruiser first.

Except, if you do nod blend it perfectly with the rest of the airfoil, for sure it would destroy the laminar flow.That converts into loosing speed....

fredorosa(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:52 am Post subject: Another Cruiser first.

Perfect laminar flow does not exist in nature or aircraft .  

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 1:20 PM, jerzy krasinski <jerzy_krasinski(at)sbcglobal.net (jerzy_krasinski(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:

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		  Except, if you do nod blend it perfectly with the rest of the airfoil, for sure it would destroy the laminar flow.

That converts into loosing speed.....

Jerzy

    On Sunday, April 24, 2016 2:55 PM, Robert Reed <robertr237(at)att.net (robertr237(at)att.net)> wrote:

 --> KIS-List message posted by: Robert Reed <robertr237(at)att.net (robertr237(at)att.net)>

That sounds like a lot of work but may be worth the effort if you ever encounter a bird strike. 

Superior IOF-360.  

Bob Reed

Sent from my iPhone

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		   On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Alfred Rosa <fredorosa(at)gmail.com (fredorosa(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 --> KIS-List message posted by: Alfred Rosa <fredorosa(at)gmail.com (fredorosa(at)gmail.com)>

 Got the SS online from a manufacturer of sheet steel.  It was a 50' roll of 8"cut off.  A bitch to bend lengthwise even though it's thin stuff.  Had to use two angle irons - one on each side - and squeeze together with pipe clamps. I laid a pipe on the SS to help control the shape of the bend. 

 Bob, I saw pics of a Lycoming hanging off the nose of your plane on your web site.  I could have sworn you had gotten a Continental. 

 Al

 Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:57 PM, Robert Reed <robertr237(at)att.net (robertr237(at)att.net)> wrote:

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> --> KIS-List message posted by: Robert Reed <robertr237(at)att.net (robertr237(at)att.net)>

> 

> Al 

> 

> That looks good and sounds like a great way to protect the leading edges. Where did you get the SS?

> 

> 

> Bob Reed

> Sent from my iPhone

> 

>> On Apr 23, 2016, at 7:52 PM, Alfred Rosa <fredorosa(at)gmail.com (fredorosa(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

>> 

>> OC,  Here's the stainless leading edges on the tail feathers.

>> The wings will have the same.

>> 

>> I decided to do this because I wanted a different look from the usual white plane with wavy colored lines.

>> 

>> The useful attribute is protection from dings by kicked up pebbles, etc.

>> 

>> Al

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Robert Reed

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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:49 am Post subject: Another Cruiser first.

I can speak from experience that a dead on bird strike to the leading edge of the wing does in fact destroy the laminar flow along with clean underwear.  It totally flattened the outer most 3 feet of a Cessna 172 wing.  

Bob

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 Subject: Re: Another Cruiser first.

Except, if you do nod blend it perfectly with the rest of the airfoil, for sure it would destroy the laminar flow.That converts into loosing speed....

jerzy_krasinski(at)sbcglo
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:14 am Post subject: Another Cruiser first.

All decent  airfoils have laminar flow at the front part, from the nose to the thickest part of the wing.The nose of the airfoil is the most sensitive part and any disturbance there results in turbulent flow.Ask glider pilots. They will tell you that bugs smashed on the front of the wing can significantly reduce  performance of the glider.Supposedly even a color strip painted along the nose of the wing is no good.

Jerzy 



    On Tuesday, April 26, 2016 1:51 PM, Alfred Rosa <fredorosa(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 



 Perfect laminar flow does not exist in nature or aircraft .  

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 1:20 PM, jerzy krasinski <jerzy_krasinski(at)sbcglobal.net> wrote:



Except, if you do nod blend it perfectly with the rest of the airfoil, for sure it would destroy the laminar flow.That converts into loosing speed....

fredorosa(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:40 am Post subject: Another Cruiser first.

Many certified planes have tape or de-ice boots on their leading edges. I never heard of losing speed being a concern.



Al



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aeromomentum(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:23 pm Post subject: Another Cruiser first.

Actually loss of speed is one of the big issues with de-ice boots and there have been many studies of this.  Most modern jets use heat on the leading edge instead of boots for this reason along with others.



Real life laminar flow does commonly happen.  Even in the slip stream of the prop.  The whole idea of a laminar flow airfoil is to extend the amount of laminar flow farther than a conventional airfoil.  Even a conventional airfoil has some laminar flow and to 25% cord or more is typical.



But for many KIS owner/builders the speed is not the end goal and this should not be large.  For others speed is more of the goal.  To each their own and that is why we all end up with different aircraft even when we started with the same kit.



Mark K.



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On Wed, 4/27/16, Alfred Rosa <fredorosa(at)gmail.com> wrote:



 Subject: Re: Another Cruiser first.

 To: "kisbuilders" <kis-list(at)matronics.com>

 Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2016, 3:40 PM

 

 Many certified planes

 have tape or de-ice boots on their leading edges. I never

 heard of losing speed being a concern.

 Al

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