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Tim Olson
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 Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 7:29 pm Post subject: Sikaflex question |
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Hi all, sorry to go all rogue on you and ask a non-RV-10
question, but...
I know some people use sikaflex for their windows.
In the RV-14, the rear window per-plans is installed with
proseal. I may or may not have enough left in my can
to install the rear window. It would need maybe a good
solid 1/4" or 3/8" bead for maybe a distance of 15' max.
So I'm thinking of buying something fresh. The window
itself is held in with screws, so I'm not looking for
something super structurally tough, but just good and
sticky and paintable. Do you who've used sikaflex thing
that would be the way to go? And if so, where I can buy
it so that I can order it Monday and have it before the
end of the week? Oh, and do I need a special gun or
will a normal caulk gun work?
Tim
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Kellym
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Sun Lakes AZ
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 7:34 pm Post subject: Sikaflex question |
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Call Geoff, and get his Lord urethane adhesive. Not just strong, very
easy to work with. Can use urethane reducer from any auto paint shop,
and it doesn't harm Plexi. I did all 5 windows in my 10 with it.
On 5/1/2016 8:28 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
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Hi all, sorry to go all rogue on you and ask a non-RV-10
question, but...
I know some people use sikaflex for their windows.
In the RV-14, the rear window per-plans is installed with
proseal. I may or may not have enough left in my can
to install the rear window. It would need maybe a good
solid 1/4" or 3/8" bead for maybe a distance of 15' max.
So I'm thinking of buying something fresh. The window
itself is held in with screws, so I'm not looking for
something super structurally tough, but just good and
sticky and paintable. Do you who've used sikaflex thing
that would be the way to go? And if so, where I can buy
it so that I can order it Monday and have it before the
end of the week? Oh, and do I need a special gun or
will a normal caulk gun work?
Tim
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jmjones2000(at)mindspring
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 7:41 pm Post subject: Sikaflex question |
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I like the 3M products. The 3200 is a good option. It's permanent, flexible, and won't destroy the material it is applied to like 5200 will if you need to remove it.
I've installed numerous windows with 3200, 4200, 5200 and sikaflex. Use masking tape prior to application to control where it goes, and remove it after a few hours before the sealant cures for a nice sharp line.
Justin
| Quote: | On May 1, 2016, at 23:28, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:
Hi all, sorry to go all rogue on you and ask a non-RV-10
question, but...
I know some people use sikaflex for their windows.
In the RV-14, the rear window per-plans is installed with
proseal. I may or may not have enough left in my can
to install the rear window. It would need maybe a good
solid 1/4" or 3/8" bead for maybe a distance of 15' max.
So I'm thinking of buying something fresh. The window
itself is held in with screws, so I'm not looking for
something super structurally tough, but just good and
sticky and paintable. Do you who've used sikaflex thing
that would be the way to go? And if so, where I can buy
it so that I can order it Monday and have it before the
end of the week? Oh, and do I need a special gun or
will a normal caulk gun work?
Tim
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Tim Olson
Joined: 25 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 7:47 pm Post subject: Sikaflex question |
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How pricey do you think it would be?
The total amount would be a 1" strip around approximately
the size of the front windshield on the 10.
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And since I see Justin Jones just chimed in, Justin, where is the 3M 3200
purchased from usually, is something that would be locally available in
say, an auto parts store?
I'm not really too worried about the adhesion, I just want something
that will be quick and easy to work with, that I can maks off
as you say, and be done with it. The screws do all the real holding.
Tim
On 5/1/2016 10:33 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
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Call Geoff, and get his Lord urethane adhesive. Not just strong, very
easy to work with. Can use urethane reducer from any auto paint shop,
and it doesn't harm Plexi. I did all 5 windows in my 10 with it.
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Kellym
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Sun Lakes AZ
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 8:09 pm Post subject: Sikaflex question |
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IIRC it was around $50 for a cartridge. I think Geoff has price up on
his Aerosport Modeling website.
On 5/1/2016 8:47 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
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How pricey do you think it would be?
The total amount would be a 1" strip around approximately
the size of the front windshield on the 10.
...
And since I see Justin Jones just chimed in, Justin, where is the 3M 3200
purchased from usually, is something that would be locally available in
say, an auto parts store?
I'm not really too worried about the adhesion, I just want something
that will be quick and easy to work with, that I can maks off
as you say, and be done with it. The screws do all the real holding.
Tim
On 5/1/2016 10:33 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
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> Call Geoff, and get his Lord urethane adhesive. Not just strong, very
> easy to work with. Can use urethane reducer from any auto paint shop,
> and it doesn't harm Plexi. I did all 5 windows in my 10 with it.
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jmjones2000(at)mindspring
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 11:13 pm Post subject: Sikaflex question |
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West marine carries Sikaflex and the 3m products. If there isn't a West Marine near you, and marine supply store should carry it.
Justin
| Quote: | On May 1, 2016, at 23:47, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:
How pricey do you think it would be?
The total amount would be a 1" strip around approximately
the size of the front windshield on the 10.
...
And since I see Justin Jones just chimed in, Justin, where is the 3M 3200
purchased from usually, is something that would be locally available in
say, an auto parts store?
I'm not really too worried about the adhesion, I just want something
that will be quick and easy to work with, that I can maks off
as you say, and be done with it. The screws do all the real holding.
Tim
> On 5/1/2016 10:33 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
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> Call Geoff, and get his Lord urethane adhesive. Not just strong, very easy to work with. Can use urethane reducer from any auto paint shop, and it doesn't harm Plexi. I did all 5 windows in my 10 with it.
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gengrumpy
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 11:27 am Post subject: Sikaflex question |
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Tim and all,
On my RV8, Todd, the maker of Todd’s canopies, came to my hangar and I helped him cut, fit and glue the RV8 canopy to the frame. No screws anywhere.
Todd had me get 2 tubes of 3M Fast Cure 5200 sealant (only used one tube). I documented the whole process well and you can see it on his website: http://www.toddscanopies.com/tips-for-rv8.html
I’ll never use another screw in plexi again, and this 3M adhesive is very easy to use as compared to the sikaflex.
grumpy
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[img]cid:76EABF4F-C0AE-4EB5-AD13-DBDAFD4B8C29[/img] | Quote: | On May 1, 2016, at 10:28 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>Hi all, sorry to go all rogue on you and ask a non-RV-10question, but...I know some people use sikaflex for their windows.In the RV-14, the rear window per-plans is installed withproseal. I may or may not have enough left in my canto install the rear window. It would need maybe a goodsolid 1/4" or 3/8" bead for maybe a distance of 15' max.So I'm thinking of buying something fresh. The windowitself is held in with screws, so I'm not looking forsomething super structurally tough, but just good andsticky and paintable. Do you who've used sikaflex thingthat would be the way to go? And if so, where I can buyit so that I can order it Monday and have it before theend of the week? Oh, and do I need a special gun orwill a normal caulk gun work?Timhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhttp://wiki.matronics.com
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 12:20 pm Post subject: Sikaflex question |
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Interesting. The 5200 is supposed to be non-removable, so I didn't want
that, because chances are, I'll be replacing my rear window in the
first couple years. I bought my plexi drill bits from Avery back
when they got a bad batch. So I have some holes with chips and
cracks here and there. Not much I can do with it at this point.
So I can't use 5200.
Also, on the RV-14, it's not really an option to do a
screwless canopy. They do so much for you that all of the
screw holes would be in the canopy even if you did a
screwless install.
Today I ordered 3M 4000 UV. I can't use the 3200 because
it's silicone and not paintable. So I had to either
get the 4000 UV, 4200 FC, or 5200. And I didn't want
it to be non-removable.
Hopefully it'll install pretty easily.
Tim
On 5/2/2016 2:26 PM, Miller John wrote:
| Quote: | Tim and all,
On my RV8, Todd, the maker of Todd’s canopies, came to my hangar and I
helped him cut, fit and glue the RV8 canopy to the frame. No screws
anywhere.
Todd had me get 2 tubes of 3M Fast Cure 5200 sealant (only used one
tube). I documented the whole process well and you can see it on his
website: http://www.toddscanopies.com/tips-for-rv8.html
I’ll never use another screw in plexi again, and this 3M adhesive is
very easy to use as compared to the sikaflex.
grumpy
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 12:26 pm Post subject: Sikaflex question |
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Grumpy, I have a quick follow-up.
The stuff you have pictured is white. On the RV-14 the
inside of the window will be visible. I bought black due to
this. When you use 5200, is the inside covered up by
something? Just curious. I don't intend to paint the
inner strip of canopy, but that would be about my
only choice.
Tim
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On 5/2/2016 2:26 PM, Miller John wrote:
| Quote: | Tim and all,
On my RV8, Todd, the maker of Todd’s canopies, came to my hangar and I
helped him cut, fit and glue the RV8 canopy to the frame. No screws
anywhere.
Todd had me get 2 tubes of 3M Fast Cure 5200 sealant (only used one
tube). I documented the whole process well and you can see it on his
website: http://www.toddscanopies.com/tips-for-rv8.html
I’ll never use another screw in plexi again, and this 3M adhesive is
very easy to use as compared to the sikaflex.
grumpy
N184JM
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